Are BOTS going to ruin ESO like they did with linage 2

Talon_Draconis

Will bots and gold selling ruin ESO
They took over linage 2 until bots and gold sellers out numbered humans.
BOT guilds took over all the resources
Completely destroyed the game.
I see the the same thing happening here!

Nermy

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Will bots and gold selling ruin ESO
They took over linage 2 until bots and gold sellers out numbered humans.
BOT guilds took over all the resources
Completely destroyed the game.
I see the the same thing happening here!

Where are these bots? I haven't seen any in over 2 years.

Urkraft

Nermy wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Will bots and gold selling ruin ESO
They took over linage 2 until bots and gold sellers out numbered humans.
BOT guilds took over all the resources
Completely destroyed the game.
I see the the same thing happening here!

Where are these bots? I haven't seen any in over 2 years.

they arent botting in cyr, nermy..........................

k9mouse

Nermy

Urkraft wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Will bots and gold selling ruin ESO
They took over linage 2 until bots and gold sellers out numbered humans.
BOT guilds took over all the resources
Completely destroyed the game.
I see the the same thing happening here!

Where are these bots? I haven't seen any in over 2 years.

they arent botting in cyr, nermy..........................

Thank f**k for that! I'd be getting my arse handed to me... even more!!

Talon_Draconis

I seen many groups
with names 193u934903489 on xbone
farming different areas of dagaarfall aliance

Nermy

X-Box? Not PC then?

Turelus

I doubt it. Whilst ZOS are not fast at dealing with them they're not ignoring it.

The issues just seem to be getting the report to the ban handled faster.

If we do a normal report it can take a week or more for it to be dealt with, however if we report a bot and give a ticket number ZOS escalate it and boom, bot banned.

Streamlined systems, education of the player base (stop buying gold FFS!) and we can make this a winning war.

Talon_Draconis

Nermy wrote: »

X-Box? Not PC then?

I did not think the xbone was hackable that is one reason I play on it but it seems i noticed then start appearing about 2-3 months ago...but now they seem to be everywhere

Talon_Draconis

Turelus wrote: »

I doubt it. Whilst ZOS are not fast at dealing with them they're not ignoring it.

The issues just seem to be getting the report to the ban handled faster.

If we do a normal report it can take a week or more for it to be dealt with, however if we report a bot and give a ticket number ZOS escalate it and boom, bot banned.

Streamlined systems, education of the player base (stop buying gold FFS!) and we can make this a winning war.

Banning the bot groups do nothing....they have to go after the Buyers...by the time they ban a bot it's made it's money and transferred it.
I don't understand why company not only zmax but almost all mmos don't go after the buyers if they quit good riddance!
With out BUYERS they would be not bots & sellers

Urkraft

Turelus wrote: »

I doubt it. Whilst ZOS are not fast at dealing with them they're not ignoring it.

The issues just seem to be getting the report to the ban handled faster.

If we do a normal report it can take a week or more for it to be dealt with, however if we report a bot and give a ticket number ZOS escalate it and boom, bot banned.

are u kidding me? i remember a ****ton of accounts beeing reported which were active 2,3 or 4 months later still. zos staff isnt even aware of the amount of bots or even on the price wax has on eu server. zos isnt dealing slow, they are dealing it snaillike. they are faster in making new accounts than zos in banning, the goldprice is permanently sinking the past weeks.

all zos is doing, is faking activity by sometimes reacting.
botting and different exploits which made material available in massive amounts + increasing goldloots built up an inflation on eu servers, which zos is trying to deal with a bit of increasing goldsink for the next patch, still the main problem remains there.

i have been watching this as gm since 2 years now and it got worse and worse.

GreenhaloX

Ehh, I don't know about Lineage 2, but for ESO, them developers are doing quite the job on their own. Bots, or them stationary group farmers.. yeah.. probably need those gamemasters to roll around in-game again as they have done for rubberbanders at dolmen.

KingMagaw

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

X-Box? Not PC then?

I did not think the xbone was hackable that is one reason I play on it but it seems i noticed then start appearing about 2-3 months ago...but now they seem to be everywhere

Botting isn't hacking per say.

XBone and PS4 can easily run macros on games, or so i hear haha


If you look at the market value of ESO gold PC, for the longest time it has devalued and devalued and this trend says 2 things:

More people botting and less people buying (Main sign of a game in decline these days). In addition to massive gold sinks in game like Housing its definitely a bad sign devaluing, i think anyway )

Drachenfier

The difference between Zenimax and NCSoft is that Zenimax doesn't actually support gold farmers.

zaria

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

X-Box? Not PC then?

I did not think the xbone was hackable that is one reason I play on it but it seems i noticed then start appearing about 2-3 months ago...but now they seem to be everywhere

That is weird, real bots would require an hacked xbox or an pc who manage who identify it as an xbox.
Has seen bots once since i returned and it was 5-6 players running around in north-west stonefall killing mobs.
All sort of levels and real gear and names, could easy seen them as an stupid grinding group had it not been for doing quests in area and they ignored an dolmen

JamieAubrey

Bots aren't as bad as they once where, once apon a time they would clip through the world stealing your nodes, not its just XP/CP farming bots so NO, they wont ruing the game..... at least until they get more sophisticated

StormWylf

Are BOTS going to ruin ESO like they did with linage 2

I'm going to say no. Bots have been an issue since ESO first released. Frankly I believe they were worse a couple of years ago. Like cockroaches, they never seem to go away completely, you just have to keep squishing them.

CaffeinatedMayhem

StormWylf wrote: »

I'm going to say no. Bots have been an issue since ESO first released. Frankly I believe they were worse a couple of years ago. Like cockroaches, they never seem to go away completely, you just have to keep squishing them.

Oh yes, jute farming bots at launch when you could sell raws to merchants for gold! Need to farm for yourself? NOPE! 5-6 bots running around at every node. Flying above the map, running around half submerged (before the mount ride in ground bug). It's been WAY worse.

That said, I do not want to go back there. Having popular farming areas completely bare 24/7 (except for chests, bots can't pick locks... yet) is annoying enough.

dennissomb16_ESO

While the reporting tool is bad and ZOS's responses are less then good when it comes to Bots, bots are no where as rampart as any NCSoft game. NC does nothing at any time to stop bots and hackers. ZOS takes the occasional steps at least

SilverWF

Bot aren't ruined L2, but more casual stuff from devs does.

twev

Nermy wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Will bots and gold selling ruin ESO
They took over linage 2 until bots and gold sellers out numbered humans.
BOT guilds took over all the resources
Completely destroyed the game.
I see the the same thing happening here!

Where are these bots? I haven't seen any in over 2 years.

You need to get out more, and see the sights.

Dragonnord

Turelus wrote: »

...Whilst ZOS are not fast at dealing with them they're not ignoring it.

The issues just seem to be getting the report to the ban handled faster.

If we do a normal report it can take a week or more for it to be dealt with, however if we report a bot and give a ticket number ZOS escalate it and boom, bot banned...

Really @Turelus?

1 - Why there have been bots in Glister Vale for more than two years now?

2 - Why THIS post of mine hasn't been addressed after 4 months now?

Thank you.
 

twev

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

While the reporting tool is bad and ZOS's responses are less then good when it comes to Bots, bots are no where as rampart as any NCSoft game. NC does nothing at any time to stop bots and hackers. ZOS takes the occasional steps at least

"... bots are no where as rampart as ... " still means that there are many bot-trains that can be seen in the same places over 'long' periods of time.

Like it or not - it does boil down to the fact that ZOS doesn't actually have control of their own game.

Wreuntzylla

A short history lesson. When botting was at its worst, ZoS went after the problem hard. Unfortunately, the solution impacted the players. Lowering experience and limiting loot drops in certain dungeons. Limiting character deletions. A few other things.

One day, botting at the dreugh leveling spot in stonefalls was fairly bad and a ZoS 'diamond' appeared and whacked them out of the game one by one. Fun to watch.

My initial guess is that if certain bots are reported regularly by multiple people over two years without a result, it's possible they aren't illegal bots. A multi-boxer maybe.

But that's wild speculation. The harsh downside of ZoS' policy not to talk about its investigations or corrective actions is that the player base may never know why those toons are still farming there.

Ashtaris

Nermy wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Will bots and gold selling ruin ESO
They took over linage 2 until bots and gold sellers out numbered humans.
BOT guilds took over all the resources
Completely destroyed the game.
I see the the same thing happening here!

Where are these bots? I haven't seen any in over 2 years.

If you haven't seen them. then you are not playing the game. I regularly see them when doing my crafting survey maps in Shadowfen and Rivenspire. Any place that has a large number of creatures (zombies, wolves, skeever, dreugh, etc.) that can be easily farmed for mats, gold, and xp.

eso_nya

So i asked google for "eso gold" and had a look at the first site showing up (how about taking legal actions against the owners??).
Turns out:

1,2m gold cost 43€

5,5k crowns r 35€.

Daggerfall manor is 11k crowns or 3,7m gold -> thats either 70€ on the legal and gamesupporting way or 129€ on the illegal, gamedestroying way.

I really do not understand ppl who buy gold....like handing your bankaccountdata to criminals, risking to get get your account robbed blank and also risking getting your gameaccount banned...for what actually???

Not making that up, a guildy in swtor got his creditcard robbed blank after he bought credits, he also didnt get the credits....

The next service they offer: lvl 1 to 600 over 39 hours for only 1.060,79€
Tbh, 27€/h for playing eso, that sounds like the best job ever, but than being forced to powerlevel might not be fun at all xD
(Why the hell would anyone pay someone else royally,for playing the game for him, when u could just watch a stream and actually get more out of it for free? O.O)

Seeing that data, it seems to me that botting for gold is somewhat hard in eso and i dont see it as a problem, cause cashsink housing is way cheaper thru crownstore than thru botgold. So aslong as the devs keep up crown alternatives for cashsinks where they undercut the bots, we r fine.

On a sidenote, i'd be totally fine with being able to buy gold in crownstore. They could directly undercut the goldsellers, but oh nooooes that'd be the horribad p2w :P

twev

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

A short history lesson. When botting was at its worst, ZoS went after the problem hard. Unfortunately, the solution impacted the players. Lowering experience and limiting loot drops in certain dungeons. Limiting character deletions. A few other things.

One day, botting at the dreugh leveling spot in stonefalls was fairly bad and a ZoS 'diamond' appeared and whacked them out of the game one by one. Fun to watch.

My initial guess is that if certain bots are reported regularly by multiple people over two years without a result, it's possible they aren't illegal bots. A multi-boxer maybe.

But that's wild speculation. The harsh downside of ZoS' policy not to talk about its investigations or corrective actions is that the player base may never know why those toons are still farming there.

We don't tend to care 'why' they are still farming there in the places that they farm.

But we do care that after repeated complaints over long periods of time that the botters are farming, the very fact that the botters are still farming (and even allowed to play as automated bots) in the same spots is what we care about, because regular players can't do the industrial level farming that the botters do 24/7, and regular players can't do the industrial level kill-squads that the bot trains and multi-boxers do on the widespread and continuous scale that they do.

Why do we individual players even have to justify not being able to compete fairly against automated bot and multi-boxer teams stripping the resources faster than we can run to harvest?

Mojmir

They're never going away, if you think zo$ is doing something about it, your blind or don't play enough to see them.

DRXHarbinger

eso_nya wrote: »

So i asked google for "eso gold" and had a look at the first site showing up (how about taking legal actions against the owners??).
Turns out:

1,2m gold cost 43€

5,5k crowns r 35€.

Daggerfall manor is 11k crowns or 3,7m gold -> thats either 70€ on the legal and gamesupporting way or 129€ on the illegal, gamedestroying way.

I really do not understand ppl who buy gold....like handing your bankaccountdata to criminals, risking to get get your account robbed blank and also risking getting your gameaccount banned...for what actually???

Not making that up, a guildy in swtor got his creditcard robbed blank after he bought credits, he also didnt get the credits....

The next service they offer: lvl 1 to 600 over 39 hours for only 1.060,79€
Tbh, 27€/h for playing eso, that sounds like the best job ever, but than being forced to powerlevel might not be fun at all xD
(Why the hell would anyone pay someone else royally,for playing the game for him, when u could just watch a stream and actually get more out of it for free? O.O)

Seeing that data, it seems to me that botting for gold is somewhat hard in eso and i dont see it as a problem, cause cashsink housing is way cheaper thru crownstore than thru botgold. So aslong as the devs keep up crown alternatives for cashsinks where they undercut the bots, we r fine.

On a sidenote, i'd be totally fine with being able to buy gold in crownstore. They could directly undercut the goldsellers, but oh nooooes that'd be the horribad p2w :P

27€ and hour just to grind? Sign me up. Where do I send my CV.

Megabear

There are ton of gold/lvk farmers in ESO. More importantly it seems people are buying gold from them. Maybe it's more effective to ban accounts that are buying gold/lvl'd accounts. Typically I'd go after the supply, but maybe not in this case.

Balsagna

Possibly the worst grind ever ruined lineage 2