Zos your killing off nightblades.

Shadowasrial

Since launch you have slowly taken away what makes a nightblade a nightblade. You have first put a cap on crit chance in pvp, then you nerfed crit damage bonuses from stealth. You nerfed our cloaks, now your nerfing penetration. Your nerfing viper ( arguably the only set that nightblades have to be on par with other class metas) it's as if you don't want eso to have a rogue class. Idk if you have played any other mmos but a rogue class is supposed to have supper high burst and crit damage. It's meant to be able to kill a single target quickly. But your steadily nerfing us harder and harder. You add super powered proc sets that give magic builds even more advantage in battle that compliment thier class skills. As a stam build we have a couple decent monster sets that are useful but in comparison to the magic counterparts are vastly underpowered. Bring back the real rogue class zos! There was nothing wrong with being able to blow away any Single target we choose to attack. That's nothing compared to magic classes that can literally wipe out 10+ players at once. But you seem to think that a class that can virtually one shot a single player after a carefully lined up attack is too much. Play your game zos nightblades need tons of love.

Jollygoodusername

Remove stealth, buff all magic/stam skill 200% base dmg/healing...would still be a crappy 'class'. But it's the class I started with so boo freakin' hoo.

vpy

Reroll a sorc mate.

Your world changes.
Food tastes better.
Air is fresher.

You are much relaxed while playing a Mag Sorc.

Mag Sorc is good for your health

Banana

I remember reading 48K DPS somewhere here today. Cant be all bad.

grim_tactics

*you're

Sorry I'm not usually that guy - but I'll be the village troll this evening.

Rohamad_Ali

A good nightblade can blow away 10 players at once too . It's not just sorcs that do that .

But as a Magblade I will still ask for obligatory buffs . We should get a chance to be Sorc OP .


Zeni y u no buff Magblade enuff ?!

Knootewoot

As a fellow nightblade..... I am glad Viper gets a nerf (if you can call it a nerf). Armor should not do the fighting for you with a massive damage. For PvE it might be a nerf, for PvP it is a (bandaid) fix.

But then, I am a magblade who does not use proc sets.

FrancisCrawford

ZoS never actually kills off the NB class.

Instead, it keeps disappearing and resurfacing later.

a1i3nz

I don't understand why tf they took away crit from stealth....

It's not unfair to assassinate someone from stealth it's called being a rogue.

But they cater to the criers which is 90% of the people playing eso

MrBetadine

templars are robbed with their uniqueness as well

phermitgb

I'm always a tad frustrated by people assuming that rogues *have* to be played a particular way, namely assassins. The nightblade fills a variety of roles, only one of which is the "stealthy assassin" role. At least structurally, they make good agile melee fighters, kooky vampiric-style tanks, even kookier group healers, but hey - they have the tools to fill several roles, they don't *JUST* have to be stealth assassins...

as far as why stealth assassins tend to be hated by anyone not playing stealth assassins, is that the fundamental role of stealth assassin is...it's hard to set yourself up for an easy kill, but if you do it right, it's an easy kill - which is *balanced* in the sense that it's not easy to set yourself up for an easy kill, but whether or not you set yourself up for an easy kill is mostly out of the hands of the other player

with the basic exception of *situational awareness*, an asset hampered by the very nature of the only place it matters (cyrodill, where almost everyone has lots of things they *need* to concentrate on at most times), all of the difficulty in being a stealth assassin is on the assassin, not on the *target* - so, the target basically gets no input in battle with an assassin - all the gameplay ends up on the assassin's side, unless the assassin screws up.

and I dunno about you, but I don't find it fun to "play" a game that is a contest between 2 (or more) people where whether I lose or win depends only on what the other guy does. Imagine playing a boardgame where you and some other guy are trying to "win", but only the other guy's dice have any impact on the game, and you're just mostly there to take up space.

*that*, I think, is the fundamental reason why everyone who isn't an assassin pretty much wants stealth assassins to not exist in pvp - because, good, bad, balanced or not, when it comes to assassin gameplay, it's really only fun, and challenging, for the assassin - all the rest of us only get to play when the assassin screws up, and that's a very one-sided game if you ask me

Enslaved

Knootewoot wrote: »

As a fellow nightblade..... I am glad Viper gets a nerf (if you can call it a nerf). Armor should not do the fighting for you with a massive damage. For PvE it might be a nerf, for PvP it is a (bandaid) fix.

But then, I am a magblade who does not use proc sets.

Armor is always fighting for you, unless you fight naked.
What is next "bright" BS nonsense we should use as mantra on forums?

• Weapon should not do the fighting for you with a massive damage
• Tank should not do the shielding of you against a massive damage
• Healer should not be healing you trough a massive damage

List equally R (offending to some ppl I guess) to what many on this forums repeat about armor.
Meanwhile, some other classes use 1 button spamming ranged AOE execute... Shall we also spew bs how "skills should not da the fighting for you with a massive damage"?

Publius_Scipio

Well, we NBs will still have Miat's addon.

I don't use addons.

Gilvoth

that is why i made this thread ...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317806/please-make-a-proper-assassin-class/p1

Vapirko

Mag NBs still one of the best choices for vMA. People bragging all the time how stamblade can pull 45kdps. Right now, proc blade is perhaps the most played class next to mag sorc in pvp. Now they'll just be on the same playing field as other classes except for mag sorcs which will still be all around easy mode.

Roovin

Meh.

Everyone said Morrowind would kill the game with the changes to sustain and

..........

Nothing happened. People adjusted and everything was fine.

SirAndy

phermitgb wrote: »

At least structurally, they make good agile melee fighters

I have one of those, Stamblade with no stealth skills on either bar.

It used to be a ton of fun to play that way but not so much anymore as of late ...

Juhasow

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Since launch you have slowly taken away what makes a nightblade a nightblade. You have first put a cap on crit chance in pvp, then you nerfed crit damage bonuses from stealth. You nerfed our cloaks, now your nerfing penetration. Your nerfing viper ( arguably the only set that nightblades have to be on par with other class metas) it's as if you don't want eso to have a rogue class. Idk if you have played any other mmos but a rogue class is supposed to have supper high burst and crit damage. It's meant to be able to kill a single target quickly. But your steadily nerfing us harder and harder. You add super powered proc sets that give magic builds even more advantage in battle that compliment thier class skills. As a stam build we have a couple decent monster sets that are useful but in comparison to the magic counterparts are vastly underpowered. Bring back the real rogue class zos! There was nothing wrong with being able to blow away any Single target we choose to attack. That's nothing compared to magic classes that can literally wipe out 10+ players at once. But you seem to think that a class that can virtually one shot a single player after a carefully lined up attack is too much. Play your game zos nightblades need tons of love.

Oh my so many things I dont agree with that it'll be long post.I want to make it clear that I am talking all of this as person who also played a nb both stam and mag in PvP.

Fisrt there was never cap on critical chance in PvP.Nerfing critical dmg from hide was right choice as nb and few races offers already enough dmg bonus for opening hidden attack and You still have auto crit on 1st attack from hide as nb which is pretty enough. Cloak ballance was good , purging 5 DoT's with using 1skill that also makes You invisible was joke. Sharpened nerf is good and at place and touches everyone in same way. This trait was overperforming for very long and it's finally time to make something with it. Viper nerf is ballance to all stamina builds. Other class metas was basicly also viper+something. Stamina nb dont need viper to be effective and with viper plus other proc set stamina nb is not in par but way above other builds.

Yes rogue class is supposed to have burst and kill enemies quickly and every MMO offers that but other MMO's put some limitations over that usually cooldowns on skills or debuffs for constant vanishing or just making rogue burst good opener but not one shoter. In ESO You can constantly roll dodge and cloak and deal very high burst dmg each few seconds without any restrictions and basicly with almost limitless resources. Stop comparing ESO to other MMOs because it have different type of rogue then them.

In terms of monster sets I would say there is similar number of usefull 2 piece monster sets for stamina and magicka builds and there is much more 5 piece proc sets for stamina users then for magicka. There is nothing like "real rogue class" each game offers its own vision to that playstyle so dont try to make ESO version of rogue just another copy of other titles rogues.

If one player can kill 10 players that's never that 1 player skill or game imballance which do that but lack of skill from those 10 players. The only time it was easily possible was with....magicka nb bomb build. There is nothing like "carefully lined up attacks" on stamina nb atm. Wearing 1 proc set gives enough burst when using incap to kill almost everyone in seconds , wearing 2 proc sets with incap allows to kill literally everyone and all You need to do is clicking 2-3 buttons. Viper+selene combo requires no skill at all atm and for sure no "carefully lined up attacks".

Stamina nb wearing viper+selene+eternal hunt is so easy to play that i stopped to playing it afrer day or 2 beacuse it was too boring and too easy to kill people. Stamina nb gets nerfs that was needed same like game overal changes that touching not nb only was needed. I can agree that stamblade could need some improvements to survivality in open fights where build is pretty squishy but those improvements cant be for free.

KeiruNicrom

Over all i feel that NB passives need a rework. If ZOS is going to nerf stealth so much then the stealth passives NBs have should be reworked to be useful out of stealth. A few skills could use a buff ofcourse but the passives seem so all over the place on NB compared to the other classes. Tis truly unfortunate

Morgul667

I actually enjoy my stam NB :-)

snackrat

I don't even PvP and I'm feeling the same thing. My NB tank kept getting worse and worse. I tried new builds, stam and mag, tank and dps, different skills. The only trees he didn't end up levelling to 50 at some point was light armour and destruction, and with Homestead's changes to frost staff, he's levelling destruction now as mag tank. I have tried SO MANY things.

The other classes I was levelling I thought I built really well. They are so strong! So effective! They just can't be beat! This DK has stam for days, and she handles both groups and bosses with thriving skill! This sorcerer dominates groups, and has such effective self-healing she cannot be killed! This templar is built as a healer with magicka sustain, and he still rocks in soloing content intended for two people! These builds are really strong!

Then I realise I was thinking that about my mag Tmp, stam Sorc, and stam DK. In other words - EVERY CLASS EXCEPT NB. I realise they weren't godly. NB was just butt.

Now the Warden is out, and I don't have the Warden to 50, yet. But I don't expect to be proven wrong.

Gilvoth

nightblade suks. i should know cause i been playing nightblade and studying nightblade now for over 4 years.

Skinzz

Stam nightblades were still strong without viper and proc sets before they became the meta. Only the scrubs rely on those sets.

karldavy149b16_ESO

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Since launch you have slowly taken away what makes a nightblade a nightblade. You have first put a cap on crit chance in pvp, then you nerfed crit damage bonuses from stealth. You nerfed our cloaks, now your nerfing penetration. Your nerfing viper ( arguably the only set that nightblades have to be on par with other class metas) it's as if you don't want eso to have a rogue class. Idk if you have played any other mmos but a rogue class is supposed to have supper high burst and crit damage. It's meant to be able to kill a single target quickly. But your steadily nerfing us harder and harder. You add super powered proc sets that give magic builds even more advantage in battle that compliment thier class skills. As a stam build we have a couple decent monster sets that are useful but in comparison to the magic counterparts are vastly underpowered. Bring back the real rogue class zos! There was nothing wrong with being able to blow away any Single target we choose to attack. That's nothing compared to magic classes that can literally wipe out 10+ players at once. But you seem to think that a class that can virtually one shot a single player after a carefully lined up attack is too much. Play your game zos nightblades need tons of love.

this is most definiatly a learn to play issue with the changes coming nightblades are totally going to be pawning more than they pawn now ... but once again i suspect this is a learn to play issue

i also like how you try to tell them that a rogue class should have super high burn ... just how are you playing your nightblade what makes you think they are not capable of the "burst" pvp or pve night blades can mess stuff up !!

Malmai

Knootewoot wrote: »

As a fellow nightblade..... I am glad Viper gets a nerf (if you can call it a nerf). Armor should not do the fighting for you with a massive damage. For PvE it might be a nerf, for PvP it is a (bandaid) fix.

But then, I am a magblade who does not use proc sets.

As magicka u dont need any proc sets cuz shield stacking is freaking worse than having 3 vipers equiped...

Malacthulhu

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

ZoS never actually kills off the NB class.

Instead, it keeps disappearing and resurfacing later.

So cloak was working all along!! lol your are awesome, no sarcasm.

Emma_Overload

"As a stam build we have a couple decent monster sets that are useful but in comparison to the magic counterparts are vastly underpowered."

LOL, WHAT? Stamina still has the best monster sets by far.

Humphie

Just delete NBs from the game PvP wise, thx.

Princess_Ciri

Nightblades are strong this patch though! Be happy.

Own

stamNB are destroying people in cyrodiil. I don't know what you're talking about, but the "need" of viper is on you, not the class.

Knootewoot

Enslaved wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

As a fellow nightblade..... I am glad Viper gets a nerf (if you can call it a nerf). Armor should not do the fighting for you with a massive damage. For PvE it might be a nerf, for PvP it is a (bandaid) fix.

But then, I am a magblade who does not use proc sets.

Armor is always fighting for you, unless you fight naked.
What is next "bright" BS nonsense we should use as mantra on forums?

• Weapon should not do the fighting for you with a massive damage
• Tank should not do the shielding of you against a massive damage
• Healer should not be healing you trough a massive damage

List equally R (offending to some ppl I guess) to what many on this forums repeat about armor.
Meanwhile, some other classes use 1 button spamming ranged AOE execute... Shall we also spew bs how "skills should not da the fighting for you with a massive damage"?

What I meant by fight for you is that they do the damage. Armor should provide protection and could add stats. Not do damage while you are being hit or do extra damage when your hitting. Especially not 9k poison damage every 4 seconds.

Your points are totally invalid and not related to armor fighting for you.