please make another class

Gilvoth

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Tryxus

Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.

ArchMikem

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

MythicEmperor

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes
both in PvP as well as PvE.
nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.
the invisibility needs rebuilt
ect ect ect ...

please, make a proper assassin class for morrowind launch.

Do you seriously expect them to make a NB 2 that is better in every area to cater to your specific needs, and worst of all, before June???

Magblade definitely needs a buff, no doubt, but you seem to be asking for a new class that is unquestionably better than nightblades in every aspect (cough magsorcs cough). Also, sustain? Have you tried siphoning attacks?

Gilvoth

they arent built like what you have written on paper.
needs a assassin class built properly.

Voxicity

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.

As a stamblade mainer for over a year and a half, siphoning attacks says otherwise

We managed to do vDSA 2 DD's as Khajiit (so no stam recovery passives) stamblades using siphoning attacks, with a magblade healer (so not repent or spears) and never ran out of stamina once.

Cadbury

NB goes in quick and get the kill. They're not DK, Sorc, or Templar.

Greevir

ArchMikem wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

And the PvP community wants them nerfed to be unable to gank. Which kind of destroys the whole idea of the class.

Strider_Roshin

ESO: Play how you want!

Unless it's a Nightblade, then you just gank. That is all.

Unsent.Soul

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they arent built like what you have written on paper.
needs a assassin class built properly.

Ever think maybe its your NB? Have some realistic expectations instead of just asking for a redesigned NB.

Luigi_Vampa

So you want a stealth class with incredible burst damage, but also with great sustained damage and resource control? I assume you also want great self healing and mitigation too? What exactly would be your classes weakness?

Voxicity

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ESO: Play how you want!

Unless it's a Nightblade, then you just gank. That is all.

I try so hard to steer away from ganking as much as possible, but sadly you're pretty much right. Stamblade just doesn't have a reliable heal that can work while simultaneously putting pressure on someone. I find myself running away 80% of a fight recasting vigor, cloaking and generally just being a freak, just waiting for incap to be up

Cadbury

Give NB a shield, spamable heal, and a better execute


Balance

Bonzodog01

Your classic nightblade assassin kills without being caught or seen.

Nightblades fight from stealth, using concealment as their armor, they attack with quick decisive blows that kill the enemy fast.

They do NOT fight face to face or toe to toe. Even in a boss fight.

A good nightblade takes months of learning to play, you have to learn to burn down enemies without them being able to see what hit them.

For standard mobs, use your Blade of Woe. Get them from behind. If you can, get past them without being seen. A good assassin picks his targets carefully, and doesn't kill everything, just what is needed. So if you do a delve, challenge yourself to get to the boss killing as little as possible on the way through.
For boss mobs, hit from stealth, dodge, hide, repeat.

Voxicity

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

They do NOT fight face to face or toe to toe. Even in a boss fight.


For boss mobs, hit from stealth, dodge, hide, repeat.

Best method confirmed. Just beat hardmode rakkhat using this tactic. 100% legit YOU DONT WANT TO MISS THIS

SaRuZ

You had two DLC catered to you(Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood) the rest of us were forced into a Nightblade playstyle just to participate, f your NB.

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Danksta

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes
both in PvP as well as PvE.
nightblade simply does not have the sustain in both pvp and pve.
the invisibility needs rebuilt
ect ect ect ...

please, make a proper assassin class for morrowind launch.

Do you even Nightblade? Is there a better skill for sustaining resources than Siphoning Attacks?

KochDerDamonen

Sustain? Siphoning Attacks, 'yuge sustain.
Health? mNB has no problem with it, sNB has it rough especially without vigor unlocked.

What do they have in exchange for this very strong and not weak sustain? Big burst damage, popping out of stealth and eliminating someone. Cloak is incredibly powerful for surviving in an extended fight, when it's not busy being buggy as a skill.

They lack some beef, especially compared to more stationary classes like Temp or DK, compared to Sorcerers NB have issues bringing up the same AoE power and well...

Let's be frank, Nightblades have always needed to be less twitchy than they are in terms of game stability. We do not need another "assassin" to fix that.

SirSocke

Jepp, nightblades meant to be assassins. But burst got nerved, cloak got nerved and is broken. Too many counters against stealth and with next patch a nerve to crit.
So what's left? Nightblades were a shadow of them selfes only.

craybest

if our only assassin class has issues, how would another assassin class solve it? makes no sense....

ZOS_JohanaB

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wildbear247

A stamblade has been my main toon since I started playing this game about 2 years ago. Their kit gives them the highest crit chance and burst damage, especially from stealth. They have the only stam-based gap closer and execute of any class, making dual-wield also viable for PvP (it's already expected for high-end PvE). Plus they have unique crippling skills that shred their opponents armor and arguably the best CC in the game (Fear...man I love that skill). So I think that makes them fulfill the assassin role nicely.

No they don't have the heals or resource sustain of a stamsorc (Dark Deal, Crit Surge) or stamDK (Igneous Shield for major mending and Earthen Heart passives)...but their Siphoning Attacks definitely helps in this area (although slotting it means you usually give up some damage somewhere).

My biggest concern is when ZOS starts to undermine their burst potential. For example in the Housing patch on PTS (and soon to be live) the cost of their Assassination ult went from 50 to 70. I don't think that was a good move, as this skill creates a 6 second "kill window" during which a stamblade can attempt to bring his target into execute range. 6 seconds isn't a lot of time in PvP with a moving and blocking opponent, and the skill is dodgeable...so by increasing the ult cost I feel some of the Assassin mojo has been eliminated in my stamblade.

Also as others have noted, the reductions in crit damage in the Housing patch will further handicap the Nightblade's crit potential.

These aren't world-ending nerfs to the Nightblade...but they do hinder the Nightblade's ability to fulfill their assassin role in ESO.

Katahdin

Tryxus wrote: »

Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.

Sounds about right to me. Stealth, patience and carefully choosing when and when not to attack are the keys to a successful NB.

Im still learning how to NB. My NB counted up 30 kills last night in Cyrodiil by being a general annoyance around battles before dying at a tower to another NB with a stealthy snipe bow build. Well played sir, well played.

Was a lot of fun.

I think the OP really might rather play templar or a dragonknight.

Cpt_Teemo

ArchMikem wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class has some things that hint at being an assassin, but the fact is nightblade class is just not capable of fighting toe to toe with other classes

Yeah? That's how it's meant to be, Assassins are skilled in quick and swift kills. Putting that in gameplay terms, Assassins are Gankers who rely on burst damage. Assassins are not meant to win drawn out fights.

It's like Teemo vs Darius, Teemo won't be able to take darius head to head but instead you use your agility / speed / tactics with shrooms instead

Gilvoth

craybest wrote: »

if our only assassin class has issues, how would another assassin class solve it? makes no sense....

because the nightblade class needs to be iether rebuilt OR simply make a correct and Proper assassin class like we had in morrowind.
that is why i am asking for it to launch with the morrowind release right inline with and along side of the morag tong assassin storyline.
nightblade simply cannot sustain that fight nor toe to toe fights with other classes due to its build was not intended to sustain like the other classes have.

bowmanz607

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

if our only assassin class has issues, how would another assassin class solve it? makes no sense....

because the nightblade class needs to be iether rebuilt OR simply make a correct and Proper assassin class like we had in morrowind.
that is why i am asking for it to launch with the morrowind release right inline with and along side of the morag tong assassin storyline.
nightblade simply cannot sustain that fight nor toe to toe fights with other classes due to its build was not intended to sustain like the other classes have.

not sustain in a fight???? your kidding right? Not go toe to toe? well to a degree, but that is because the lasses like dk and temp were meant to stand toe to toe. Nb uses deceptive measures, positioning, etc. That said, you can absolutely make a nb that goes toe to toe with others, but will not be the best at it.

Your issue really does not make sense. You say you want them to go toe to toe with others which implies you want face to face fighting, but at the same time want them to be an assassian which implies the shadows.

Tommy_The_Gun

"please make a proper assassin class"

Erm... Nightblade ?
Assassin is mostly a class that has high single target dmg.

It also has sustain... a lot of it. Ever heard of "sap - tank" build ?

I will tell you what happened in PvP once...

A group of 10 magicka NB (using sap tank build) was almost unkillable. The were ruining around clustered and 25 people were not able to stop them. Only a very well coordinated destro ult spam + 10 fire ballistas did the job. The self - heals were just insane. Just do the math. 10 fire balistas + 7 destu ults were needed to to enough DMG fast enough so that group of 10 NB were not able to heal fast enough.

If it is not a high sustain - then I don't know what is..

Delte

Never had a problem with another player if I can dictate the time when I strike. This is what the assassin is all about. Pick your moment and then strike from the shadows.

When in Cyrodiil I have often tracked enemy players for 30 minutes just so I could try and get the draw on them for a kill. Then fade away into the background before anyone notices.

You don't need sustain, you need high alpha strike damage and to out DPS them, that is your sustain.

Gilvoth

everyone keeps mentioning Magicka skills here on this thread
that is not what i am refering to, refering to stamina nightblade class. no sap skills need be mentioned here.
i dont use that skill, niether do the stamina nightblades i am refering to.

Smokeytripod

Typhoios wrote: »

So you want a stealth class with incredible burst damage, but also with great sustained damage and resource control? I assume you also want great self healing and mitigation too? What exactly would be your classes weakness?

They should be limited to wearing only heavy armour .

Delte

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

everyone keeps mentioning Magicka skills here on this thread
that is not what i am refering to, refering to stamina nightblade class. no sap skills need be mentioned here.
i dont use that skill, niether do the stamina nightblades i am refering to.

I run with a stamina nightblade but I also use magicka skills as well, to refuse to use one resource is silly as you reduce your utilities.

With my dual daggers my crit chance is at 45.5% with my bow its 35%. I am only at 130 CP though so I know it can go a lot higher in time.