P.M.S Build ( Stam Sorc )

Aznox

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Also you still dont understand the way the build works do you ? Its ok child l, if you read a bit with the sharpened trait... im lowering there resistance before the burst of dawnbreaker. If you do not know how sharpend works i suggest you read...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-updated-for-morrowind-new-calculator/p1

Great, you've linked a very interesting post.

Now i suggest you read it.

No, not just a quick glance to say to yourself " hey, i'm a theorycrafter now !"

Read it again.

So what I mean by that is if you have multiple sources of mitigation and at the same time have an active damage shield then some of the mitigation will be applied before the shield takes damage and some will mitigate the damage that overflows from the shield if it gets depleted. This is really important cause it heavily changes the strengths of the different sources. However don't confuse this fact with if damage shields have mitigation or not, they don't.

Just becuase im using sharpend doesn't render it usless againt shields, i am still affecting that person true resistance before i do damage and after the shield is up before the shield and after the shield.

Ok, do you understand this sentence makes no sense now ?

If yes i can continue helping you.
If no, well then you are a lost cause for theorycrafting.

But if you want to down talk me i understand you been getting destroyed by it also. Lmfao Keep relying on Youtube or Twitch builds where you think they get it mook ?

I only "down talk you" because of the way you are bragging about concept you don't understand.
Were you some humble player eager to learn, i would not act like that.

By the way i'm playing a pressure stamsorc myself, teach me about bleeds plz !

glavius

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@glavius ? Why do you do this to me ? I been playing 1 class 2 races for almost 3 years ? Why do i have to prove you wrong also this shouldn't be a post of me just proving people wrong ?

But ok...... scroll down after and take a look at the status effect for disease please. What does that say ? Minor Defile ... it was changed last year to major defile as i stated above.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/111840/status-effects-and-you

Jesus christ i know im on console guys, but this is getting insane ??? I really dont want to prove anybody else wrong. If somebody have anything construcive to say please. Help me help you !

Why are you referring to a post about mechanics from 2014 with alot of wrong info in it???

WeylandLabs

@Aznox


I am not saying shields take damage from sharpend triait im saying after they are stunned from Dawnbreaker. A damage shield is only 5 seconds, so with good timing of a Dawnbreaker stun and my bleeds-(goes though resistances) plus any other damage i do is effecting thier resistance before they activate a shield and after. When they are stunned and thier shield is NOT active. All i need is 1 implosion proc to get that kill... EZ.

Also this post was from July 2017 things have changed i did not update my build as much as i should have. I take no offense to you or anybodys comments on these forums. But understand the difference between balanced combat and unbalanced combat. Eso is a joke and has been for a long time. I used to have fun playing it, but got to serious for people that cant understand the difference between a game of skill and eso a game of RNG fighting.

I ask why do you downtalk me because its a game that is extremely easy to understand. And some people still dont get it, thats what i find crazy insane. People get crutched by Youtubers and Twitch streamers who forget how to use your brain in one of the most easy mmorpg of all time. There is no teaching in Eso, find broken stuff use it destroy people get nerfed find broken stuff use it destroy people. Etc etc if i wasnt busy 24/7 and worked my ass off id go to PC. I do think it was funny that people still dont know how to predict the most OP $hit in the game. But thats because they never mastered one class they are too busy following other people and riding the meta with 9 classes instead of trying to destroy it with 1.

But honestly Eso is dying fast and only PvE rp players that read lore and farm and speed run dungoens il come back when they have a pvp dlc.

@glavius Clearly you are trolling - GG ! Lol

WeylandLabs

Since I completely ruined some of peoples life's with this build a year ago. And Sloads is destroying people, I decided to think of something a bit different. Not like your normal build, but like something people look past. And say that seems ridiculous, becuase its so awkward.

Being a theorycrafter in console is therapeutic, I don't have all the add ons or things to help me gauge things. So since this game is getting more challenging ( EZ ) and ZOS loves to nerf me into the ground, or try to at least. I have to think outside the box and try or do some thing nobody has thought of.

And since I play only 1 class Stam Sorc I'm going Double Duelwield folks.

My testing will be posted and test builds will begin. And giving this build will be situational, there will be different set ups you will have to quickslot.

Now keep in mind we are going for the highest crit bleed in the game per tick. Not multiple bleeds


Backbar 2 Powered VMA Daggers
Front bar 2 Nirn Master Daggers

5 blooddrinker / Auto / Huntings / Heem Jas
3 agility. Bloodthirst Trait

( situational ) = Monster set

If I have to tell you the rotation on this ... chances are you shouldn't be playing Stam Sorc or switch to a YouTube 2h build.

This is not a build yet this is testing and since Duroks has caught enough attention defiles are the past old and boring.

The future is stacking CCs / Burst Dots / Utility / Buffing things that was looked as unbuffable.

Metemsycosis

Heem jas --> mad interesting

By buffing things, do you mean speed? Every stamsorc that beats me now has amazing ccs and is untouchably fast. I'm used to the burst combo, used to the dots. Stampede snare + rune is so good though with bleeds idk why you wanna forego it going double dw.

WeylandLabs

@Metemsycosis

The double DW has been tested and not worth the extra bleed damage to many things to counter it.

I have been testing Heem jas for a new 2h wrecking blow light attack stam sorc build. sound insane but i feel it can push high dps like bleeds with consistent pressure.

Currently building 5 heem jas 2 kena with variety of sets and ability. But building around heem jas and the major berserk it gives 25%% gives, with imbue weapon i can possibly push a ton of dps.

Wrecking blow is back / light attack build

2h wrecking blow 40% Heem jas major berserk 25% cp 25% bound armour 11% imbue weapon kena .... testing others, will be updating in 1 week.

While everybody is on this sloads meta il be making the next best thing again for my stam sorc.

Waffennacht

Why necro?

Metemsycosis

I'm interested. We traverse the same battlefields. I have a sorc leveling too.

Thanks shokase.

ATomiX96

disease glyph has a chance to proc major defile since a year or so, you ppl must live in caves smh
only source of minor defile rn is fasalla and vitality poisons

Chilly-McFreeze

ATomiX96 wrote: »

disease glyph has a chance to proc major defile since a year or so, you ppl must live in caves smh
only source of minor defile rn is fasalla and vitality poisons

@ATomiX96

en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat#Status_Effects

According to UESP disease dmg procs minor defile. smh

barshemm

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

disease glyph has a chance to proc major defile since a year or so, you ppl must live in caves smh
only source of minor defile rn is fasalla and vitality poisons

@ATomiX96

en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat#Status_Effects

According to UESP disease dmg procs minor defile. smh

That wiki must be out of date, it's major.

Chilly-McFreeze

Yes, that's why I posted it. UESP is usually trustworthy, maybe that's the reason why people think it's minor defile. Should have made it clearer. Sry if that came across wrongly.

WeylandLabs

@barshemm and others you are correct it is major.... at this time last year it was minor.

If you would like me to find the link to show you I can. @Gilliamtherogue and @Alcast was in the debate about it as well We where finding out how status effect for defile/disease were not procing on against Argonians and other races. But that was a long time ago.

I mentioned to @ZOS_Wrobel that he should update the "Status Effects and You" post, they posted 4 years ago since it was not updated before last year.

At the time I was making this old build it was minor defile and that was confirmed by @ZOS_Wrobel

A lot of websites do not update there spreadsheets or facts as they cannot keep up with the incredibly difficult counter balance patches by ZOS.

Also if somebody can find out the 1- 10 light attacks essence thief proc rate that would be amazing. And if the essence that it spews up bonus is affected by battle spirit and also coded as a synergy please.

Lexxypwns

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Since I completely ruined some of peoples life's with this build a year ago. And Sloads is destroying people, I decided to think of something a bit different. Not like your normal build, but like something people look past. And say that seems ridiculous, becuase its so awkward.

Being a theorycrafter in console is therapeutic, I don't have all the add ons or things to help me gauge things. So since this game is getting more challenging ( EZ ) and ZOS loves to nerf me into the ground, or try to at least. I have to think outside the box and try or do some thing nobody has thought of.

And since I play only 1 class Stam Sorc I'm going Double Duelwield folks.

My testing will be posted and test builds will begin. And giving this build will be situational, there will be different set ups you will have to quickslot.

Now keep in mind we are going for the highest crit bleed in the game per tick. Not multiple bleeds


Backbar 2 Powered VMA Daggers
Front bar 2 Nirn Master Daggers

5 blooddrinker / Auto / Huntings / Heem Jas
3 agility. Bloodthirst Trait

( situational ) = Monster set

If I have to tell you the rotation on this ... chances are you shouldn't be playing Stam Sorc or switch to a YouTube 2h build.

This is not a build yet this is testing and since Duroks has caught enough attention defiles are the past old and boring.

The future is stacking CCs / Burst Dots / Utility / Buffing things that was looked as unbuffable.

Infused off hand is always BiS for DW because it reduces the cooldown(but doesn’t increase potency) of your mainhand weapon. This means you can have Nirn+Shock glyph and infused+berserker and get higher weapon damage than double Nirn while also giving you a source of Concussion AND more implosion opportunities.

I’d also go with Axe+dagger or sword+dagger. 2x sword actually will yield the single highest tick as you stated is your goal. But Axe+Dagger is gonna be BiS since it adds another bleed and gets you that nice crit chance. You’ll also want to run Race Against Time for the on demand minor force I’d imagine.

Why not go with Acuity? It’s not meta but you’ve stated that you want to avoid that. By my estimation you’ll have at least 8 instances of damage occurring per second and forcing all of those to crit, particularly the bleeds, on a build with a 1.8 CHD would yield a higher damage burst window than blood drinker, but a bit less overall pressure. However, you can run Acuity on one bar and another single bar set then fit 2x Agility for both bars which should marginalize the DPS loss. I understand losing DPS isn’t desirable on pressure builds, however, having that Acuity proc window where it’s basically an “I win” situation could help solve the issue of builds that intelligently kite while maintaining their own damage.

WeylandLabs

@Lexxypwns Hello i found this is not viable for me and my playstyle your welcome to try out new things and post it here. I tried it and it didnt work for me... i been nerfed so many times i was thinking crazy going double duel wield... lol plus is in Summerset its all about wrecking blow imbue weapon light attack weaves for my stam sorc.

Lexxypwns

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns Hello i found this is not viable for me and my playstyle your welcome to try out new things and post it here. I tried it and it didnt work for me... i been nerfed so many times i was thinking crazy going double duel wield... lol plus is in Summerset its all about wrecking blow imbue weapon light attack weaves for my stam sorc.

Stam sorc hasn’t been nerfed in like a year... or ever actually

barshemm

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns Hello i found this is not viable for me and my playstyle your welcome to try out new things and post it here. I tried it and it didnt work for me... i been nerfed so many times i was thinking crazy going double duel wield... lol plus is in Summerset its all about wrecking blow imbue weapon light attack weaves for my stam sorc.

Stam sorc hasn’t been nerfed in like a year... or ever actually

The change to dark deal really messed up stam sorcs for a while, I think I still miss some cause I end up canceling it by accident.

Lexxypwns

barshemm wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns Hello i found this is not viable for me and my playstyle your welcome to try out new things and post it here. I tried it and it didnt work for me... i been nerfed so many times i was thinking crazy going double duel wield... lol plus is in Summerset its all about wrecking blow imbue weapon light attack weaves for my stam sorc.

Stam sorc hasn’t been nerfed in like a year... or ever actually

The change to dark deal really messed up stam sorcs for a while, I think I still miss some cause I end up canceling it by accident.

Dark deal was nerfed(irrelevantly) by adding a small increase to cast time then had that nerf countered by the changes to interrupts. Now you can cast it at will without risk of being interrupted making it insanely reliable resource return

WeylandLabs

@Lexxypwns I wasn't talking about my class I'm talking about the builds I ran...Red mountain nerfed Viper nerfed my vma weapons been nerfed 4 times fassalas nerfed dark deal nerfed crit surge nerfed.

Overall the dot builds have been nerfed so many times in 2 and a half years its only a matter of time before they touch the class to nerf or completely change it. But that doesn't mean I go to another class that just means I need to see things people don't and start from the bottom again and build up.

It's also a guessing game of marketing psychology ZOS. I was in finance and can commonly predict certain outcomes in markets. It's not hard to see where ZOS want to take this game in business. And if you can see the business side, you can see that things are going to get a lot more cheesy. As long as pve players buy 150$ digital houses and want to role play take in the money and create the Sims/ESO.

But I play this soly out of boredom and the challenge of beating OP stuff / I wanted just to counter the meta not make it.

Calling it again 1 year from now spamming 1 ability/skill or something will be the meta, but nobody can see this yet. As stacking game mechanics buffing things that hasn't been looked at yet will be the future. Procs are the thing of the past defiles will be worked as a mechanic, stacking is the future if I said I can get 158% more damage on an an attack would anybody believe me ? Buff - work in world cooldowns - and look at stacking passives and other things.

Thats all I will say...

Lexxypwns

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns I wasn't talking about my class I'm talking about the builds I ran...Red mountain nerfed Viper nerfed my vma weapons been nerfed 4 times fassalas nerfed dark deal nerfed crit surge nerfed.

Overall the dot builds have been nerfed so many times in 2 and a half years its only a matter of time before they touch the class to nerf or completely change it. But that doesn't mean I go to another class that just means I need to see things people don't and start from the bottom again and build up.

It's also a guessing game of marketing psychology ZOS. I was in finance and can commonly predict certain outcomes in markets. It's not hard to see where ZOS want to take this game in business. And if you can see the business side, you can see that things are going to get a lot more cheesy. As long as pve players buy 150$ digital houses and want to role play take in the money and create the Sims/ESO.

But I play this soly out of boredom and the challenge of beating OP stuff / I wanted just to counter the meta not make it.

Calling it again 1 year from now spamming 1 ability/skill or something will be the meta, but nobody can see this yet. As stacking game mechanics buffing things that hasn't been looked at yet will be the future. Procs are the thing of the past defiles will be worked as a mechanic, stacking is the future if I said I can get 158% more damage on an an attack would anybody believe me ? Buff - work in world cooldowns - and look at stacking passives and other things.

Thats all I will say...

DoT builds have not been nerfed, this is misinformation. DoT builds are presently as strong as ever because they just got a new toy.

Also, damage % increases don’t stack as you think they do, that’s why swords don’t give a full 5% bonus for DW for example.

Edit: DoT builds are probably stronger than ever because of a combination of power creep and the fact that most people have long since spent all the CP into Thick Skinned that they were planning. The increase of light attack damage arguably benefits pressure builds over burst as well.

WeylandLabs

@Lexxypwns I wasn't saying dot builds have been nerfed I'm saying every set I play with was nerfed. (Me) lol Sloads is basic stuff just another dot to put on like a bleed.

And the strongest dot build I played with was fassalas viper vma DW and a masters bow back in July 2016. Nothing could beat that build and I mean nothing. That was created by the infamous @PrinceFabious aka Dubzug aka he goes bye another @tag now.

Chilly-McFreeze

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Lexxypwns Hello i found this is not viable for me and my playstyle your welcome to try out new things and post it here. I tried it and it didnt work for me... i been nerfed so many times i was thinking crazy going double duel wield... lol plus is in Summerset its all about wrecking blow imbue weapon light attack weaves for my stam sorc.

Stam sorc hasn’t been nerfed in like a year... or ever actually

40% cast time increase is quite a lot, I'd say. But yep, they can now cast dark deal in peace after the first interrupt. But that isn't a sorc buff, it's a general change to every cast time ability.

Also 75% (or was it more?) lower bonus damage on Hurricane isn't something to overlook. Like "hey, those guys have one class damage ability, let's nerf that!".

I'm not gonna include the nerfs to streak here since I don't even know if stam sorcs where a thing before that.

Kel

I've been using Cyrodiil's Crest for awhile now on my stam sorc, and as most players view it as a garbage set, I was all too happy letting them think that. Got so much mail/whispers asking how I was debuffing healing so effectively on a sorc. Now the secret is out.
With befoul cp passives, you can get that defile buff up quite high...
I knew this day would come...

Noobslayer3255

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been using Cyrodiil's Crest for awhile now on my stam sorc, and as most players view it as a garbage set, I was all too happy letting them think that. Got so much mail/whispers asking how I was debuffing healing so effectively on a sorc. Now the secret is out.
With befoul cp passives, you can get that defile buff up quite high...
I knew this day would come...

Cyrodiil crest is a solid choice, but even better you can just put a diseased enchant on your DW offhand, make sure the weapon has the charged trait, and voila easy access to major defile and you freed up an entire 5 piece to run something else since you don’t need Cyrodiil crest.

Chilly-McFreeze

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been using Cyrodiil's Crest for awhile now on my stam sorc, and as most players view it as a garbage set, I was all too happy letting them think that. Got so much mail/whispers asking how I was debuffing healing so effectively on a sorc. Now the secret is out.
With befoul cp passives, you can get that defile buff up quite high...
I knew this day would come...

Why not use Durok's instead of Crest? You can debuff a whole group while Crest is only single target due to the cooldown. Only differencec is the weapon dmg instead of health regen.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Infused off hand is always BiS for DW because it reduces the cooldown(but doesn’t increase potency) of your mainhand weapon. This means you can have Nirn+Shock glyph and infused+berserker and get higher weapon damage than double Nirn while also giving you a source of Concussion AND more implosion opportunities.

Does infused do anything to alchemical poisons?

Chilly-McFreeze

double post -.-

WeylandLabs

@Noobslayer3255 Disease status effect ( major defile) doesn't work with argonians. And giving the fact everybody is an argonian its pointless.

Duroks way better option than crest also, crest has s horrible cooldown.

Lexxypwns

Noobslayer3255 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been using Cyrodiil's Crest for awhile now on my stam sorc, and as most players view it as a garbage set, I was all too happy letting them think that. Got so much mail/whispers asking how I was debuffing healing so effectively on a sorc. Now the secret is out.
With befoul cp passives, you can get that defile buff up quite high...
I knew this day would come...

Cyrodiil crest is a solid choice, but even better you can just put a diseased enchant on your DW offhand, make sure the weapon has the charged trait, and voila easy access to major defile and you freed up an entire 5 piece to run something else since you don’t need Cyrodiil crest.

Except you can’t put major defile on Argonians or Wood Elf’s or anyone with a damage shield active using a glyph proc

Noobslayer3255

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Noobslayer3255 Disease status effect ( major defile) doesn't work with argonians. And giving the fact everybody is an argonian its pointless.

Duroks way better option than crest also, crest has s horrible cooldown.

Your use of hyperbole really discredits what you have to say. I PvP all day, you can routinely find me atop various BG leaderboards on PC NA - I say this just to demonstrate the amount of time I spend PvPing. Yes, there are a fair amount of argonians in PvP, (mostly mag DKs and magplars) but to say everybody is an argonian is extremely disingenuous. The mass majority of players are not argonians.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Noobslayer3255 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been using Cyrodiil's Crest for awhile now on my stam sorc, and as most players view it as a garbage set, I was all too happy letting them think that. Got so much mail/whispers asking how I was debuffing healing so effectively on a sorc. Now the secret is out.
With befoul cp passives, you can get that defile buff up quite high...
I knew this day would come...

Cyrodiil crest is a solid choice, but even better you can just put a diseased enchant on your DW offhand, make sure the weapon has the charged trait, and voila easy access to major defile and you freed up an entire 5 piece to run something else since you don’t need Cyrodiil crest.

Except you can’t put major defile on Argonians or Wood Elf’s or anyone with a damage shield active using a glyph proc

This is true, but you also only need to sacrifice 1 enchant and 1 trait as opposed to dedicating an entire 5 piece set to getting more consistent major defile.

WeylandLabs

@Noobslayer3255 Congratulations on being on the top leaderboards in BGs. As you are speaking with the first Stam Sorc Grand Overlord ps4na. That title means nothing and has no more meaning, to the same at being atop the leaderboards in BGs. I'm at 100% achievements in PvP thus I am not an achievement hunter. BGs leaderboards means nothing, and is completely worthless to being at the top.

I do remember the excitement that I had for having that. But where not here to compare sizes. There are more tryhards on console than there is pc. As I feel pc is a bunch of RP players wow and lol failures than anything crutched by add ons, mech macro keyboards and mouse's. Basing skill on guitar hero fighting of who can press buttons sequentially the longest and fastest is a joke. And insulting to people that actually use there brains and NOT watch YouTube videos to get a build. I play on console becuase i like fair play, though eso is the worst fighting game design I have ever played in my life i do not play it for that reason. It's an illusion of skill that people are attracted about with ESO.

I play to only counter builds ( meta ) that's it, and if you see the bigger picture I'm only fighting the design of the game. And news alert its not getting better, thats all i have to say im out.