Twice born star will be quite the star next patch

ParaNostram

Eh forget what the meta worshippers say, if you want to use the set use the set!

vyndral13preub18_ESO

ParaNostram wrote: »

Eh forget what the meta worshippers say, if you want to use the set use the set!

Blasphemy! Meta is Love, Meta is Life!

Shad0wfire99

Don't sleep on TBS in vHoF. With all the resource drain mechanics, it's pretty strong with Thief/Atro.

Vaoh

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Don't sleep on TBS in vHoF. With all the resource drain mechanics, it's pretty strong with Thief/Atro.

Those resource-draining mechanics are exactly why you shouldn't run any regen imo. vHoF in particular is the best trial to run full damage setups.

What people have generally found so far is that full damage+Heavy Attack setups and damage/regen pre-Morrowind style light attack rotation setups put out the same damage under normal conditions (like against a target skeleton).

In vHoF, you will be drained of resources no matter what.

A full damage+Heavy Attack setup gains resources enough by heavy attacking to sustain while dealing full damage. They also can expend lots of Magicka by using the light attack rotation for a bit to achieve high burst damage (only sustainable for a few rotations) against enemies that are troublesome or bosses like 3rd boss vHoF. When being resource-drained, their rotation is still Heavy Attack -> DoTs -> Heavy Attack with plenty enough sustain to continue.

A setup with Regen and Damage uses the classic pre-Morrowind nerfs light attack rotations. However, if resource drained you will have to spam heavy attacks just like a full damage setup, but without full damage. It's just not worth it at least in vHoF.

These are from my own experiences so far at least

Tommy_The_Gun

I think it might even become a new meta...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358541/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-0/p1

Mundus got buffed so yeah... having a mixture of divine or Infused (it got buffed to 30%) and prosperous (it now gives stamina & magicka recovery):
"it now grants 11 Health, Magicka, and Stamina Recovery as a gold-quality item, instead of gold gain."

Hell it might not be a bad idea....

On the other hand 90% of build uses thief mundus... and it was nerfed
"The Thief: Reduced Critical Strike Chance to 9% from 11%."

But I guess people will just use precise trait instead of sharpened to compensate for that....
"Precise: Increased the Critical Strike Chance granted to 9% from 7%."
"Sharpened: Reduced the Spell and Physical Penetration granted to 2752 from 5160."

So theory crafters will have a new job to do....

Vaoh

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I think it might even become a new meta...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358541/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-0/p1

Mundus got buffed so yeah... having a mixture of divine or Infused (it got buffed to 30%) and prosperous (it now gives stamina & magicka recovery):
"it now grants 11 Health, Magicka, and Stamina Recovery as a gold-quality item, instead of gold gain."

Hell it might not be a bad idea....

On the other hand 90% of build uses thief mundus... and it was nerfed
"The Thief: Reduced Critical Strike Chance to 9% from 11%."

But I guess people will just use precise trait instead of sharpened to compensate for that....
"Precise: Increased the Critical Strike Chance granted to 9% from 7%."
"Sharpened: Reduced the Spell and Physical Penetration granted to 2752 from 5160."

So theory crafters will have a new job to do....

Yep there's a lot to do. From the looks of it NB could potentially be as good as Sorc next patch for DPS due to the slight Ilambris nerf and buffs to Critical chance (mainly helps NBs due to passives).

Tons of good ways to build next patch and lots to test.

Kay1

For PvP as a theorycrafter, just LOL, why you did this Zenimax.

LiquidPony

Not sure how TBS will ever be at the top again ... it was what it was due to being able to add The Shadow, which got multiplied by Major Force.

Nowadays ...

Think about it in comparison to Hunding's Rage (or Julianos).

Run TBS with The Lover + The Warrior ... and you've basically just got Hunding's + The Lover, minus the big weapon crit bonuses.

Vizikul

paul_j wrote: »

Really? Even with the changes to all the mundus?

Depends on the stats you are looking for but dps-wise its not really worth it.

Let's say you have the thief for the crit boost (or whatever) and now you take additionally the apprentice/ the warrior for 238 (355 with 7 legendary divine traits) more spell/ weapon dmg.

twice born star offers 2) max hp 3) max stamina 4) max magicka
while a legendary set of law of julanios/ hundings rage offers 300 spell/ weapon dmg + crit chance + magicka/ stamina.

The 2,3 and 4 set bonuses of tbs are just not ideal for a pure stamina/ magicka dps character.

Solariken

Why do you think it will be the new hotness?

The Thief and Shadow were the only buffs worth using with the set and they aren't getting buffed. None if the other bonuses are as strong as what can be found on other 5pc sets.

Sorry I don't think TBS will be any more desirable than it is now. Plus that set was never worth the tediousness of going back to the mundus stone every time you want to PvE (assuming most people do at least a little PvP).

Vrienda

It's the set I've been using since hitting max on my DK. Didn't have the money to buy/make anything else.
Nice to see it might be back in fashion again!

Mettaricana

Reaon enough to be glad im a 9 trait everything

HalloweenWeed

ZoM_Head wrote: »

It will be nice to use TBS (or any crafted set) again.

I for one would love to actually use my character's crafting skills and go back to a 9 trait set and certain style, instead of farming mindless and ugly drop sets.

Let's see.

Skyrim was built with an ideology in mind: crafting always produced the best equipment & potions. ZOS took this and ran with it up to launch. Unfortunately, they have strayed from that ideology.

STEVIL

Well while it does look like the few up to snuff crafted will get surge, lets also recognize how they also fixed the rampant abuse of death wind!!!

:-)

Danksta

EvilCroc wrote: »

TBS is the only way to wear crafted gear with motif you want. So I would like it to be useful with next patch.

Pretty sure that's true for all crafted sets, not just TBS.

Valkysas154

I am hoping my 2 crit armors get a upgrade i am 99% sure they will but dam that would be nice since i play pure crit build already and have no interest in pro/monster sets

Zvorgin

In PvP, why would a magDK not wear an armor set that gives, 1,092 max health, max stamina, max magicka and has a 5 piece bonus that is 238 Magicka recovery and 238 spell damage? Good bye Kag's!

Zvorgin

Danksta wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

TBS is the only way to wear crafted gear with motif you want. So I would like it to be useful with next patch.

Pretty sure that's true for all crafted sets, not just TBS.

Not to mention crafted sets can conveniently come in any weight.

rafaelcsmaia

Ive done the math using thief and penetration mundus on tbs vs necropotence on sorc, necro still is better by 3 to 4%

Thogard

Zvorgin wrote: »

In PvP, why would a magDK not wear an armor set that gives, 1,092 max health, max stamina, max magicka and has a 5 piece bonus that is 238 Magicka recovery and 238 spell damage? Good bye Kag's!

They'd have 238 magicka recovery anyway,.. TBS only gives one extra mundus stone.
Compare that to Amberplasm (300 Stam recovery and 300 magicka recovery on the five piece)

Amberplasm is more than twice as good, and has more dmg based 2-4 slot bonuses as well

Megabear

RouDeR wrote: »

I want prosperous Willows path xD

YES!

Zvorgin

Thogard wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

In PvP, why would a magDK not wear an armor set that gives, 1,092 max health, max stamina, max magicka and has a 5 piece bonus that is 238 Magicka recovery and 238 spell damage? Good bye Kag's!

They'd have 238 magicka recovery anyway,.. TBS only gives one extra mundus stone.
Compare that to Amberplasm (300 Stam recovery and 300 magicka recovery on the five piece)

Amberplasm is more than twice as good, and has more dmg based 2-4 slot bonuses as well

Can't say I agree, TBS gives max health and also gives 238 spell damage rather than 129. The stamina recovery is unnecessary for a lot of builds.

Mazbt

I still keep my mage and stamina tbs sets in my inventories. I don't see a reason to decon. It could be useful again who knows.

paul_j

I think the best part about the changes and twice born is that it's customizable to your character/playstyle and the gap got closer to bis gear. This also opens up what you can run as your 2nd set!

acw37162

TBS will be very good next patch.

Buffed mundus stones, I'm looking at you Lover, and buffed max stat traits on 2 - 4 item sets

Julianos is going to be a monster to.

Zvorgin

I would think a 40k+ magicka pool with a 35k health pool and 20k stamina pool is double next patch.