An oversight when buffing 1-4 piece bonuses

Yngol

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

Willpower, endurance and agility 2pc bonuses remain unchanged though, thus losing their "competitive edge"... Please apply the buff to them as well, as they are 2-3pc bonuses as well

dsalter

Yngol wrote: »

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

Willpower, endurance and agility 2pc bonuses remain unchanged though, thus losing their "competitive edge"... Please apply the buff to them as well, as they are 2-3pc bonuses as well

if anything they need to have 2.5x buffed compaired to 5 sets to compensate for the lack of diversity

Erraln

Eh, these things were added with the Imperial City update to provide regearing pressure and economic advantage to those who shelled out for the DLC. That purpose has been claimed by Slayer sets in raiding, and zone farming overall. Their time was two years ago.

JarlUlfric

Erraln wrote: »

Eh, these things were added with the Imperial City update to provide regearing pressure and economic advantage to those who shelled out for the DLC. That purpose has been claimed by Slayer sets in raiding, and zone farming overall. Their time was two years ago.

They aren't used in Raiding. I know a lot of people who use them in PvP.

Sordidfairytale

JarlUlfric wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Eh, these things were added with the Imperial City update to provide regearing pressure and economic advantage to those who shelled out for the DLC. That purpose has been claimed by Slayer sets in raiding, and zone farming overall. Their time was two years ago.

They aren't used in Raiding. I know a lot of people who use them in PvP.

Exactly, in addition there is the Potentates and Vengeance sets that are useful outside of PVP.

Looks as if those sets I mentioned did receive a buff, though Endurance/Willpower/Agility did not.

Own

very insightful!

Anne_Firehawk

JarlUlfric wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Eh, these things were added with the Imperial City update to provide regearing pressure and economic advantage to those who shelled out for the DLC. That purpose has been claimed by Slayer sets in raiding, and zone farming overall. Their time was two years ago.

They aren't used in Raiding. I know a lot of people who use them in PvP.

They are being used. Example would be third boss in vhof on magicka Nightblade.

Yngol

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

SodanTok

Not really issue that would kill these sets, but wearing them will feel worse and there is no reason why they should be so weird now.
Even more when everything got so equalized and now these sets that used to be '4piece worth on 3 piece' are something around 'less than 4 piece worth on 3 piece'

No need to kill diversity like with removal of PVP enchants. Tho I believe this is just oversight.

paul_j

Nice! Good catch!

Glamdring

Agility not affected by the changes? It says All item sets?!?!?!

@Wrobel

Yngol

@ZOS_GinaBruno could we have an acknowledgement?

Subversus

Can someone confirm if necro/ancient grace are affected by these changes?

Yngol

Subversus wrote: »

Can someone confirm if necro/ancient grace are affected by these changes?

the 5pc of necro isn't (nor should it be since it's a 5pc) and since the 3pc of ancient grace is a % based thing as opposed to a flat value, it remains unaffected as well

SanTii.92

Yes, i wanted to post about this too. Think these sets need the aproppiate buff too.

Ishammael

yes, willpower should go from 1410 to 1598

Potentates and other 3-pc sets probably need a complete overhaul. (Exception grace of the ancients, which remains competitive in certain builds.

UppGRAYxDD

Ishammael wrote: »

yes, willpower should go from 1410 to 1598

Potentates and other 3-pc sets probably need a complete overhaul. (Exception grace of the ancients, which remains competitive in certain builds.

cannot agree more..some of those 3pc sets need an overhaul desperately

Subversus

@Yngol I wasn't talking about the 5p and the 3p, I was talking about the 2,3,4p and 2p respectively

Ghost-Shot

dsalter wrote: »

Yngol wrote: »

Universally adjusted the values of some 1, 2, 3, and 4-piece bonus stats for all Item Sets:
Max Health, Magicka, or Stamina has been increased by 13.3%
Weapon Critical or Spell Critical rating has been increased by 55%
Physical or Spell Resistance has been increased by 13.8%
Physical or Spell Penetration has been decreased by 22%

Willpower, endurance and agility 2pc bonuses remain unchanged though, thus losing their "competitive edge"... Please apply the buff to them as well, as they are 2-3pc bonuses as well

if anything they need to have 2.5x buffed compaired to 5 sets to compensate for the lack of diversity

Over-buffing willpower/agiliy will lead to less diversity. Remember when everyone just ran a 5 piece/willpower or agility/ undaunted/malestrom weapons? They should just get buffed to match the 1.5x value of the new stats.

Thogard

You guys are crazy. I wear willpower on my sorc and agility on my DK and the changes you are proposing would be absolutely overpowering.

Take a 5 piece set.
Then take a 3 piece set like agility and combine it with a 2 piece monster set

You will get far more stat bonuses from the 3/2 combo than the 5 piece, and the monster set proc is usually better than most 5 piece bonuses.

This allows people using a 2H or a staff to have comparable stats to a shield / DW user. Especially now that viper is nerfed.

SanTii.92

Thogard wrote: »

You guys are crazy. I wear willpower on my sorc and agility on my DK and the changes you are proposing would be absolutely overpowering.

Take a 5 piece set.
Then take a 3 piece set like agility and combine it with a 2 piece monster set

You will get far more stat bonuses from the 3/2 combo than the 5 piece, and the monster set proc is usually better than most 5 piece bonuses.

This allows people using a 2H or a staff to have comparable stats to a shield / DW user. Especially now that viper is nerfed.

We are just asking to maintain them as they currently are. 1.5x of normal set bonuses.

Scyantific

Oh man if they buffed Willpower/Agility you can damn well bet it'd be BiS for most things. Hell, quite a few magblades run Willpower + Scathing for vMA and it is hella strong.

Yngol

Thogard wrote: »

You guys are crazy. I wear willpower on my sorc and agility on my DK and the changes you are proposing would be absolutely overpowering.

Take a 5 piece set.
Then take a 3 piece set like agility and combine it with a 2 piece monster set

You will get far more stat bonuses from the 3/2 combo than the 5 piece, and the monster set proc is usually better than most 5 piece bonuses.

This allows people using a 2H or a staff to have comparable stats to a shield / DW user. Especially now that viper is nerfed.

We just asking for willpower, agility and such to be updated in line with the other sets; not to be buffed disproportionately!

Yngol

Scyantific wrote: »

Oh man if they buffed Willpower/Agility you can damn well bet it'd be BiS for most things. Hell, quite a few magblades run Willpower + Scathing for vMA and it is hella strong.

Except every other set that gives max mag/stam/health is getting buffed; except for them

Ghost-Shot

Scyantific wrote: »

Oh man if they buffed Willpower/Agility you can damn well bet it'd be BiS for most things. Hell, quite a few magblades run Willpower + Scathing for vMA and it is hella strong.

They would have to give it a pretty big buff to beat out minor slayer.

Glamdring

ofc is should be buffed accordingly

Scyantific

Yngol wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Oh man if they buffed Willpower/Agility you can damn well bet it'd be BiS for most things. Hell, quite a few magblades run Willpower + Scathing for vMA and it is hella strong.

Except every other set that gives max mag/stam/health is getting buffed; except for them

Ok let's look at the boost those are getting.

Stat bonuses are getting a 13.5% increase

Now we get a gold level julianos mag bonus: 967 Max Magicka
With a 13.5% increase that is only 1097 Max Magicka at gold level. Purple Willpower still outranks it by nearly 300 magicka

Now let's say we get gold level willpower, mag bonus of 1451. A 13.5% increase would give us nearly 1700 magicka. For a 2 piece bonus. Think about that for a minute. That's over half of the Hulking Draugr 5pc bonus for Agility, and almost half of the Necropotence 5pc bonus.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Oh man if they buffed Willpower/Agility you can damn well bet it'd be BiS for most things. Hell, quite a few magblades run Willpower + Scathing for vMA and it is hella strong.

They would have to give it a pretty big buff to beat out minor slayer.

I've stopped using my Moondancer in vMA on my mageblade because Z screwed up the way executes scale. Magblade 1 uses Willpower + Julianos and Magblade 2 uses Scathing + Willpower

Yngol

967/1451= 0.667 1097/1700= 0.667 (roughly)... meaning it would stay CONSISTENTLY stronger than other 2set bonuses

Maryal

I agree that willpower, endurance and agility 2pc bonuses should be increased to maintain their competitiveness (i.e., so as not to indirectly nerf them).

ZOS_GinaBruno

Just letting you all know that these were intentionally not changed.

casparian

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just letting you all know that these were intentionally not changed.

Welp, time to sell it seems.