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PTS Update 15 - Feedback Thread for Combat Balance
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Crowzer✭✭✭Grim focus need love. Make it from before with 4 LA/HA instead of 5.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsomEdited by Crowzer on July 31, 2017 12:36PM4 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.PC Master Race
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nCats✭✭✭For certainty, I repost what I wroteJust how much damage you got to do to compensate for the infused weapon (oblivion glyph) with a sharpened weapon?
If we assume 1800 base damage, the damage over 5 seconds increase from infused is 1800+2*180*3 = 2880 damage (we do one more tick, and we get 30% more damage each tick). Divide it by 5 and get 576 damage per second.
If we assume that 576 is four percent of (battle spirit) damage per second we do on a player (the value which now corresponds to the new sharpened), then what the tooltip of our spammable should be? Assume dizzying swing, the strongest spammable damagewise. If 576 is four percent (after battle spirit), then the dizzying swing tooltip should be 2*(576*100)/4 = 28 800.
In no cp, a 12-13k dizzying tooltip is very respectable. In CP, I had at most 20k on an incredibly damage high build. 28 800 is realistic only in CP and only if you have crits all the time, which is not something a high weapon damage build can afford.
How much damage should oblivion do to be balanced with sharpened? For no CP, if we assume 12k tooltip, 30% crit chance and full impen target, then the effective tooltip is roughly 13k. Reversing the calculations, we get that the oblivion damage should hit for... 800.
All this allows to conclude that in order to balance oblivion damage, it has to be cut, for example by battle spirit. If that does not happen, get infused weapons while they are cheap.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , please pass this to developers as many players do find this disturbing indeed.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.
@DRXHarbinger
And I can only assume you haven't read what I was responding to. The initial idea was to move implosion from Sorcs to DK, means no more implosion = no more class execute for stam sorcs.
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Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.
Since when is a passive with a 6% chance to proc on targets below 15% health a reliable execute?
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LordSlif✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.
@DRXHarbinger
And I can only assume you haven't read what I was responding to. The initial idea was to move implosion from Sorcs to DK, means no more implosion = no more class execute for stam sorcs.
Seriously L2read
Zos dnt want the "same things" for all classes.0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.
@DRXHarbinger
And I can only assume you haven't read what I was responding to. The initial idea was to move implosion from Sorcs to DK, means no more implosion = no more class execute for stam sorcs.
Seriously L2read
Zos dnt want the "same things" for all classes.
Yes, I know, it's obvious and I think diversity is a good thing. Not everything should be the same and choices should matter. Would be boring if the only thing that differs classes is the optic of the skills.
But that doesn't change the comment I responded to.0 -
Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StamSorc which has fallen behind the other Stamina classes in PvP could use some sort of buff to it's passives or a re-buff to Hurricane. The heavy armor nerf, the 75% nerf to Hurricane, and the nerf to Dark Deal have all lead to a major falloff in players using this class because Nightblade and MagSorc are so much easier and more effective classes.
Daedric Protection for example should have the requirement to slot a skill from that tree to get the bonus removed. Daedric Protection passive gives a bonus to health and stamina recovery yet all the skills in that tree except for Bound Armor are skills for MagSorcs and Bound Armor forces you to give up two skill slots to use it which is not worth it for PvP.
Also the nerf to Hurricane a while back should probably be re-looked at now after the nerfs to heavy armor and Dark Deal. Hurriance may of been a little too strong in PvE before but now the damage is weak against players which has resulted in it being one of the weakest classes for Dueling 1v1.Edited by Twohothardware on August 11, 2017 12:23AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Sorcs dnt need buffs
Is this some sort of auto-reply whenever someone writes sorcs and buff in the same comment? I hope you just overlooked the staminain it. Like it was rightfully mentioned, you barely stumble across someone playing a stam sorc in cyrodiil lately. I don't know what's up in the PvE raiding scene at the moment but there is a "nerf stamina" post somewhere and iIrc that let it shine through that the DPS part is covered by mag sorcs and stam DK. So (with shortly ignoring the other class combinations for the sake of the topic), no stam sorcs there as well.0 -
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✭Please Adjust resource poisons; they do not belong in their current iteration since the Morrowind resource and CP changes; they need to be updated to reflect the new state of combat resource management implemented with the expansion.1 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I think the Destruction Ultimate was missed in the patch notes.
I'm pretty much against all nerfs at this point... but even I think this should have been looked at.0 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭can't read it all.. did someone question why WILLPOWER and AGILITY sets didn't get commensurate buffs?0 -
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✭@ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel Please remove the health bonus from skoria and nerineth and make them max magicka
or even something cool like 2% fire damage and 2% magic damage for the 1pc
this is interesting to me... on several occasions i have wanted to use a set on a non meta for the set, but obviously the set bonuses don't align. In the interest of diversity, what if the set bonuses could change based on the armor weight (ie. light MAG, med STAM, and HVY, health)?0 -
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✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »Vercingetorix wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I think the Destruction Ultimate was missed in the patch notes.
Couldn't agree more. Disappointed that some kind of change didn't occur. Talk about procs being overpowering in pvp and then do nothing about the Ulti spam is ridiculous.
"Ulti-spam" is only dangerous to zergs. It has little effect on small, coordinated groups. Eye of Flame is a necessity to keep zerglings where they belong: in a respawn loading screen.
Hmmm weird cause i usually die when i get steamrolled by a Xvs1 situation with multiple destro Ulti and each one hitting me 4 17-20k(in heavy armor, 3k crit resistance, quick cloak, 45points dot reduction)
It doesn't help fighting zergs it makes zergs stronger(have you been been playing PvP lately????)
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a lesson no one seems to have remembered about all the previous "zergbusters"
most zergs are smart enuff to spread out when they see this sort of thing happening, so it's really a pro-zerg tool against singles or small group.0 -
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✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
Stam gets access to the slaughter passive (Meh) and executioner (good) and Magsorcs have access to fury. Magicka DKs get access to...
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???
(Also seen lots say that sorcs don't have a spammable but they can use a weapon skill, no such weapon execute exists for DKs.)
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ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.
Yeah, that really only worked on heavy attacks, most DKs run s/b, sp it wouldn't be great.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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reiverx✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
I can only assume that you have never played stam sorc....Please read the tooltips of the implosion passive. it's wide open for stam sorcs and procs off any physical damage they deal out and scales just the same as the shock part for magsorcs.
Seriously L2stamsorc.
OT We need the DK execute back..for those that don't know...there was one way back in the day.
Yeah, that really only worked on heavy attacks, most DKs run s/b, sp it wouldn't be great.
My magDK uses s/b in PVP. In PVE it's staff only.
Not having an execute really gimps this class.0 -
LordSlif✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Give DKs the implosion passive but with poison/fire. Rename to cremation/toxify. Makes more sense on a dot class without an execute+lowest burst and might bring sorcs a little more in line.
Cool, and what class execute does a stam sorc has then? Right, none also. Just what the weapon skills offer to stam sorcs and stam dks. So give it back to sorcs in the next patch bc the only offensive class skill for sS is a player centered AoE DoT? However, I'm no friend of that rng passive either and would trade it in a hurry against something reliably and permanently usefull. Enough RNG in the game as it is.
Stam gets access to the slaughter passive (Meh) and executioner (good) and Magsorcs have access to fury. Magicka DKs get access to...
...
???
(Also seen lots say that sorcs don't have a spammable but they can use a weapon skill, no such weapon execute exists for DKs.)
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