What abilities/Morphs are considered 'dead'?

Avran_Sylt

Making a brainstorming post for skill morph ideas (additional ones) here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357594/lets-create-some-additional-skill-morph-ideas
and dead skills were mentioned, What, if any, skills are considered 'dead'?

dpencil1

You might find this post useful:
https://dungeoncrawlernetwork.com/sorcerer-skills-their-morphs/
There are other pages on that site for the other classes and weapons skills too. A little dated now, but still good info to get you started.

AcadianPaladin

Healer here. I consider the resto staff Force Siphon skill and its morphs dead. A cast time with poor return kills the basic skill and one of its morphs. The other morph drops the cast time but, by dropping magicka steal simply becomes a mediocre wannabe heal over time. If the skill dropped the cast time, lost the life steal, and provided both magicka steal and stamina steal in one ability, it could seriously compete with Elemental Drain for a place in the healer's tool kit.

GeorgeBlack

Stone First
Whirling Blades (it needs more stam recovery to be considered a useful morph)
Unstoppable (it needs a bigger duration to be consideree a usefull morph)
The other morph of Fossilize

Siliziumdioxid

Scalding Rune

Probably scorching Flare because i always have better skills to slot with more barspace it would be great

Healing Ritual is relatively useless

Alucardo

Honestly I wish they'd just change impaling shards to scale from your max stats/damage instead of max health. Tanks shouldn't be worrying about damage anyway. Make one morph magicka and the other stamina.
Stamina version could have a decreased cost, scale from max stam/weapon damage and higher snare (60% instead of 30%), and the magicka one can immobilize seems that stamina weapon skill lines have a larger variety of CCs.

Reverb

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Healer here. I consider the resto staff Force Siphon skill and its morphs dead. A cast time with poor return kills the basic skill and one of its morphs. The other morph drops the cast time but, by dropping magicka steal simply becomes a mediocre wannabe heal over time. If the skill dropped the cast time, lost the life steal, and provided both magicka steal and stamina steal in one ability, it could seriously compete with Elemental Drain for a place in the healer's tool kit.

Totally agreed. The lifesteal buff of quick siphon is a joke compared to any other HoT, and the cast time to get magicka steal makes that morph the punchline to a joke.

I also consider everything in the Undaunted line dead except the Taunt and Orbs.

Alucardo

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Healer here. I consider the resto staff Force Siphon skill and its morphs dead. A cast time with poor return kills the basic skill and one of its morphs. The other morph drops the cast time but, by dropping magicka steal simply becomes a mediocre wannabe heal over time. If the skill dropped the cast time, lost the life steal, and provided both magicka steal and stamina steal in one ability, it could seriously compete with Elemental Drain for a place in the healer's tool kit.

I actually forgot that existed, so it's probably a good example of a dead skill. Heh.

InFernalEntity

Siphoning Strikes and its morphs.
Siphoning Attacks used to be a great morph that restored a fair amount of health, stamina and magic at the cost of magic. It was great for stamblades.
Since they split siphoning attacks in to a stam morph and a mag morph and reduced the return values it's hard to justify having it on a bar. If it's not dead it's definitely getting there.

Xsorus

InFernalEntity wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes and its morphs.
Siphoning Attacks used to be a great morph that restored a fair amount of health, stamina and magic at the cost of magic. It was great for stamblades.
Since they split siphoning attacks in to a stam morph and a mag morph and reduced the return values it's hard to justify having it on a bar. If it's not dead it's definitely getting there.

Umm it's extremely good for magicka nightblades right now.

TARAFRAKA

Xsorus wrote: »

InFernalEntity wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes and its morphs.
Siphoning Attacks used to be a great morph that restored a fair amount of health, stamina and magic at the cost of magic. It was great for stamblades.
Since they split siphoning attacks in to a stam morph and a mag morph and reduced the return values it's hard to justify having it on a bar. If it's not dead it's definitely getting there.

Umm it's extremely good for magicka nightblades right now.

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Rohamad_Ali

Baleful Mist . Buff pls .

Destyran

Opposite morph of dark flare.

Asardes

Healing ritual useless? It's used all the time in trials actually. It's cheap, gives minor mending and procs SPC constantly. When I heal I keep that up, refresh prayer and throw healing orbs around every 15s. Healing springs on top of that in heavy damage situation.

SodanTok

Nobody named Venom Arrow? Is it too dead or not dead enough? The only people using it are those that think it is better morph without actually trying Poison Injection.

Maybe not dead enough because in theory Venom Arrow is ok-ish morph. But PI is just better (by a lot) every time.

Apherius

Crystal blast , but nobody talk about this because we don't want zenimax to put the " stun " on this morph and let only the proc on the other .

Ankael07

Encase's damaging morph is pretty useless because the damage is low and doesn't even apply if the opponent dodge rolls out of it.

AcadianPaladin

I actually use Crystal Blast. I'd rather have the AoE than use a proc skill that messes up my rotation. Lol. But clearly I'm one of very few who uses it so I know what you mean.

Siliziumdioxid

Asardes wrote: »

Healing ritual useless? It's used all the time in trials actually. It's cheap, gives minor mending and procs SPC constantly. When I heal I keep that up, refresh prayer and throw healing orbs around every 15s. Healing springs on top of that in heavy damage situation.

That ability is Cleansing Ritual not Healing Ritual. Healing ritual is that AoE burstheal with cast time.

DeHei

Asardes wrote: »

Healing ritual useless? It's used all the time in trials actually. It's cheap, gives minor mending and procs SPC constantly. When I heal I keep that up, refresh prayer and throw healing orbs around every 15s. Healing springs on top of that in heavy damage situation.

he means that skill with casttime and areahealing effect.. its really useless in both morphs.. Only the animation looks nice..

Solar barrage is one of the most uselest skills ingame. Dark flare should have no casttime and lesser damage to compensate it, that you can able to do it between weaponattacks and with full runspeed.

Stannum

unstable wall of elements
Elemental Susceptibility
Pulsar
Whirling Blades
Blessing of Restoration