Morrowind C-Frags nerf
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By nerfing frags you only really hurt PvE caster sorcs. You did not at all address the PvP issue nor did you address the issue of pet sorcs being dominant over everything. My suggestion is nerfing the cost of the proc, not the damage, and maybe taking the CC out of PvP like how ambush only snares players, not stuns them. And for the love of god do something about pet sorcs.
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Scyantific✭✭✭✭✭
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*sees nightblade player*
ok nothin to see here other than a "nerf sorcs" thread20 -
Smmokkee✭✭✭✭✭Scyantific wrote: »*looks at sig*
*sees nightblade player*
ok nothin to see here other than a "nerf sorcs" thread
Its not really though, is it?1 -
Magıc✭✭✭✭✭Lol.
What? Pet sorcs are absolute garbage in open world pvp and bgs. They are only relevant in duels cause it's a 1v1 situation, which you rarely find in cyro/bgs.
As for frags... Just lol. When they nerf surprise attack, jabs, incap and swallow soul maybe then frags can be nerfed.9 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭By nerfing frags you only really hurt PvE caster sorcs. You did not at all address the PvP issue nor did you address the issue of pet sorcs being dominant over everything. My suggestion is nerfing the cost of the proc, not the damage, and maybe taking the CC out of PvP like how ambush only snares players, not stuns them. And for the love of god do something about pet sorcs.
The Pet sorc heal i way to OP , it's why all HL healer are sorc
Of course ,same thing for pet sorc tank , he can't tank with his pet anymore ( yep , they have deleted the pet tanking with morrowind ) but anyway ,he is way to OP in raid .
Same thing in pvp ! Pets everywhere !
they should also nerf the atronach , don't forgot this , he do something like 1K dps , this deserve a massive nerf ,time to open an other nerf sorc thread .
Edited by Apherius on July 6, 2017 7:28PM1 -
Scyantific✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scyantific wrote: »*looks at sig*
*sees nightblade player*
ok nothin to see here other than a "nerf sorcs" thread
Its not really though, is it?By nerfing frags you only really hurt PvE caster sorcs. You did not at all address the PvP issue nor did you address the issue of pet sorcs being dominant over everything. My suggestion is nerfing the cost of the proc, not the damage, and maybe taking the CC out of PvP like how ambush only snares players, not stuns them. And for the love of god do something about pet sorcs.
Looks like a "nerf sorcs" thread to me.
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✭Def l2p pets do massively less damage than before morrowind so ya.. also frag got nerfed 10 percent what else do you want?
Not to mention the removal of reduced cost cp tree and nerf to light armor cost reduction passives. Thats a ton of nerfs for one patch lol2 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭My main has been a Sorc since day 1 and I will never use those stupid pets, ever.
They aren't BiS for anything and they just look so stupid.2 -
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✭✭Are you serious ? You compare our main ability " the Frag " and ... ambush ?Edited by Apherius on July 6, 2017 7:29PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you really had a strong opinion about this issue, @Hollery, why didn't you bring it up in mid-April when the Morrowind patch dropped on PTS?
Edited by Taleof2Cities on July 6, 2017 7:30PM2 -
Junkkis✭✭sorc need heavy nerf. every one playing sorc only. sorc pets all over and only 1 or 2 warden bear in zone...1
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✭✭sorc need heavy nerf. every one playing sorc only. sorc pets all over and only 1 or 2 warden bear in zone...
Dk need heavy nerf . every tank playing DK only . Dk all over and only 1 or 2 warden in zone ..
Templar need heavy nerf . every healer ....
You see it's easy to write anything .
the dk is the best tank , and is also the second best dps class
the templar is the best healer , and is also the third best dps class
The sorc is the best dps , and he suck at heal and tanking .
Don't know about the NB , but anyway he also suck at heal and tanking , he should do the same ammount of dps as the sorc . and more than the dk / templar .
Of course all class can tank or heal in dungeon , or normal trial , but try to tag as Sorc heal for a Vmol or something like this , who will see that the noob behind you will be accept simply because he have the " good class " .
Everyone playing sorc for DPS .Edited by Apherius on July 6, 2017 8:13PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you guys give me the necropotence 5 piece bonus without having a pet out, I'd be more than happy to stop running one. I think most PvP sorcs who aren't cheese specd for duels feel the same way.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭Scyantific wrote: »Scyantific wrote: »*looks at sig*
*sees nightblade player*
ok nothin to see here other than a "nerf sorcs" thread
Its not really though, is it?By nerfing frags you only really hurt PvE caster sorcs. You did not at all address the PvP issue nor did you address the issue of pet sorcs being dominant over everything. My suggestion is nerfing the cost of the proc, not the damage, and maybe taking the CC out of PvP like how ambush only snares players, not stuns them. And for the love of god do something about pet sorcs.
Looks like a "nerf sorcs" thread to me.
No this is a thread about changing a nerf that was made with morrowind. yeesh, I know I suck at writting but i'm not that badFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭Keep frags the way they are. Please buff Templars other dark flare morph (solar barrage) so that it is exactly like dark flare minus the maim aspect and cast time. Still has travel time and is still dodgeable but now I can work it into a rotation.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sorc need heavy nerf. every one playing sorc only. sorc pets all over and only 1 or 2 warden bear in zone...
Dk need heavy nerf . every tank playing DK only . Dk all over and only 1 or 2 warden in zone ..
Templar need heavy nerf . every healer ....
You see it's easy to write anything .
the dk is the best tank , and is also the second best dps class
the templar is the best healer , and is also the third best dps class
The sorc is the best dps , and he suck at heal and tanking .
Don't know about the NB , but anyway he also suck at heal and tanking , he should do the same ammount of dps as the sorc . and more than the dk / templar .
Of course all class can tank or heal in dungeon , or normal trial , but try to tag as Sorc heal for a Vmol or something like this , who will see that the noob behind you will be accept simply because he have the " good class " .
Everyone playing sorc for DPS .
I am offended! You fiend
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dark-priestess-pug-proof/
Seriously though not as bad as it seems. I believe there's been a gradually fix over diversity. In the past month, I seen dragon knight healers, few night blades, while on par with each wardens, sorccecer and Templar appearances at low level dungeons. So maybe it's just need time to trickle upwards. See your claim and raise you they weren't invited to normal trials last year.
Tanking dragon knights seem numbers, but I am not aware of any barriars making it so.0 -
Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭Will people (mostly PvP players) please stop demanding nerfs for everything. Just stop. It screws up the game for ALL players, not just the few who got their panties in a wad because they came across something they couldn't beat.1
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✭✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »Will people (mostly PvP players) please stop demanding nerfs for everything. Just stop. It screws up the game for ALL players, not just the few who got their panties in a wad because they came across something they couldn't beat.
amen.
and duelists?
you asked for this. suck it up and, as you seem to love to say, L2P.
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✭✭After the BSW nerf, many are using Netch's Touch now, so we switch C-frags to Shock Clench anyways.0 -
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✭By nerfing frags you only really hurt PvE caster sorcs. You did not at all address the PvP issue nor did you address the issue of pet sorcs being dominant over everything. My suggestion is nerfing the cost of the proc, not the damage, and maybe taking the CC out of PvP like how ambush only snares players, not stuns them. And for the love of god do something about pet sorcs.
Really not sure what that post is about. For pve a lot sorcs don't run cfrag anymore since they are already running a heavy attack build. Also pet sorcs are in pve not really that much better than other classes, especial in single target dps other classes outdps a pet sorc.
Also WHAT? taking away the cc or increasing the cost would really be terrible for pvp sorc
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✭✭✭✭✭The day Ambush -> SA -> Incap -> Executioner is not a 40k burst with 2 stuns and Major Defile plus Major Fracture applied anymore we can talk Sorc nerfs for PvP.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
RomanCaesar✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »After the BSW nerf, many are using Netch's Touch now, so we switch C-frags to Shock Clench anyways.
Same thing i did, although i use it more of a flex spot now then Shock Clench only. Harder content sometimes i use Dark Conversion instead, easier content Surge or Boundless storm to get thru the content even quicker.
I do not run Pet builds so cannot say if they are still OP like before the patch.0 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭sorc need heavy nerf. every one playing sorc only. sorc pets all over and only 1 or 2 warden bear in zone...
Dk need heavy nerf . every tank playing DK only . Dk all over and only 1 or 2 warden in zone ..
Templar need heavy nerf . every healer ....
You see it's easy to write anything .
the dk is the best tank , and is also the second best dps class
the templar is the best healer , and is also the third best dps class
The sorc is the best dps , and he suck at heal and tanking .
Don't know about the NB , but anyway he also suck at heal and tanking , he should do the same ammount of dps as the sorc . and more than the dk / templar .
Of course all class can tank or heal in dungeon , or normal trial , but try to tag as Sorc heal for a Vmol or something like this , who will see that the noob behind you will be accept simply because he have the " good class " .
Everyone playing sorc for DPS . I am offended! You fiend
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dark-priestess-pug-proof/
Seriously though not as bad as it seems. I believe there's been a gradually fix over diversity. In the past month, I seen dragon knight healers, few night blades, while on par with each wardens, sorccecer and Templar appearances at low level dungeons. So maybe it's just need time to trickle upwards. See your claim and raise you they weren't invited to normal trials last year.
Tanking dragon knights seem numbers, but I am not aware of any barriars making it so.
I have played Sorc tank ,THEY DON't WANT US TO PLAY THIS . So i know what i'm talking about .
Of course all class can " heal " or " tank " in Vdungeon , but in trial it's a bit hard when your team want to do score or try hard Vhof , if you tell them that you are a sorc heal they will just kick you of the group and take a templar .
I have played Sorc tank , now the pet can no longer tank , our dark deal have a longer cast time ... we don't have any useful passif to tank , and we have only 3 useful skill :
Dark deal
restraining prison =less powerful version of chocking talon.
Boundless storm = hardened armor .
After these nerf to my sorc tank i hope you will understand that i won't play anything except Nb dps - Sorc dps - Dk tank - Templar heal .
Of course i could "addapt " to these change , but it's pretty hard when i have only 3 class skill for tank .
Edited by Apherius on July 9, 2017 11:05AM0 -
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✭✭RomanCaesar wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »After the BSW nerf, many are using Netch's Touch now, so we switch C-frags to Shock Clench anyways.
Same thing i did, although i use it more of a flex spot now then Shock Clench only. Harder content sometimes i use Dark Conversion instead, easier content Surge or Boundless storm to get thru the content even quicker.
I do not run Pet builds so cannot say if they are still OP like before the patch.
SORC DPS : 15% min / 20% max of my dps and it's when he don't die . i use necropotence , daedric pray . so something like 10% dps without daedric pray .
SORC TANK : big big big big nerf ,they are useless since the Update .
Edited by Apherius on July 9, 2017 11:10AM0 -
Rikkof✭✭✭No owrries, now is time for stamina users to get them nerfs
they nerfed magika sorcs to the ground to the point is a trash spec atm, so I espect same treatment to stamina users, and will happen judging by developers latest comments0 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol.
What? Pet sorcs are absolute garbage in open world pvp and bgs. They are only relevant in duels cause it's a 1v1 situation, which you rarely find in cyro/bgs.
As for frags... Just lol. When they nerf surprise attack, jabs, incap and swallow soul maybe then frags can be nerfed.
Eh only people who don't know how to control their pets and position themselves are "garbage." I dominate battlegrounds regularly on my pet sorc and perform just fine in Cyrodiil."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Slack✭✭✭✭✭No owrries, now is time for stamina users to get them nerfs
they nerfed magika sorcs to the ground to the point is a trash spec atm, so I espect same treatment to stamina users, and will happen judging by developers latest comments
I am glad you wrote that in bold, otherwise I might have missed this gem
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The proc set tears are FOTM, dont worry once ZOS makes the game easier again for the snowflakes we can revisit tears for sorcs. They are always an easy target anyway, even if you play them as designed someone wont like it and will cry on the forums.
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Ahhh i see, basically a Nerf sorc thread my bad. I was so used to seeing them for so long but it has been busy on the AH threads this one caught me by supriseXbox One | EU | EP
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Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »Will people (mostly PvP players) please stop demanding nerfs for everything. Just stop. It screws up the game for ALL players, not just the few who got their panties in a wad because they came across something they couldn't beat.
amen.
and duelists?
you asked for this. suck it up and, as you seem to love to say, L2P.
I don't know who you were responding to because I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, NOT EVER asked for a nerf in the 3+ years I've played this game. I have also never told anyone to L2P. It seems like almost every day a new nerf request is posted on these forums, almost always from PvP players. I'm saying enough already. Just stop asking for nerfs.0 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »Wolfenbelle wrote: »Will people (mostly PvP players) please stop demanding nerfs for everything. Just stop. It screws up the game for ALL players, not just the few who got their panties in a wad because they came across something they couldn't beat.
amen.
and duelists?
you asked for this. suck it up and, as you seem to love to say, L2P.
I don't know who you were responding to because I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, NOT EVER asked for a nerf in the 3+ years I've played this game. I have also never told anyone to L2P. It seems like almost every day a new nerf request is posted on these forums, almost always from PvP players. I'm saying enough already. Just stop asking for nerfs.
i've never asked for anything to be nerfed, other than wroebel, ofc.
fwiw, i was agreeing with you.0