Campaign adjustments for the next PC & Console incremental update

D0RID0RI240

Neoauspex wrote: »

Well there be any changes for Xbox, since there is already a CP-enabled Shor campaign on that platform?

Yes xbone will get Shor II as a day one exclusive, 60 fps and 1080P HD, but your gear sets are restricted to Oblivions Edge and Maw of the Infernal. Also the keeps are all shaped like OG xbox controllers.

Eyesinthedrk

This is great news. On PS4 a lot of former chillrend, haderous and SOC regulars were all crammed into vivec with the former scourge regulars. I predict a lot of them will re home into a 7day cp.

For the record, amalexia could have been fun. It was nice that siege actually worked against players once again. But the dominance of proc stacking gank blades is what was killing it for most.

NBrookus

Scyantific wrote: »

What Haderus players? You talking about the ones that would jump into Haddy to face the dominating faction-zerg while the TF queue popped? Or the ones from Azura's that would jump in to farm said dominating faction because they were getting faction zerged at any single Azura's resource?

Haderus was straight up on life-support since probably Dark Brotherhood, that ain't gonna change with Shor on Monday.

Because Sotha Sil is healthy with DC gate camping almost every day?
Or Vivec is healthy, with ball groups stacked together until latency spikes are 3-4 seconds for abilities to go off?
Almalexia is very healthy of course... for skyshard hunters and the EP trading guild selling emp achieves there.

There's nothing wrong with having an overflow campaign while people wait for their Vivec queue. That's a place where people are playing the game, not staring at a timer.

Haderus wasn't perfect by a long shot but I didn't rubberband, load screen and crash out regularly like on Vivec.

Jailbirdy

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Population of queue and the wait time in the queue for Vivec vs. the active population of Almalexia over the course of pre-launch to recent weeks along with feedback on these very forums informed this decision.

...not the fact that no one ask for fewer CP campaigns or before your changes or the statistics of population in the CP campaigns were always higher than non-CP campaigns?

Artis

Any news about CP battlegrounds?

Jailbirdy

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Discussions are still happening about Xbox as population from Almalexia could fold into Sotha, Shor and Vivec without the need to open a new campaign. I'll keep you all posted though.

Shor & Vicec had over 1 hour que/wait times on Friday night.

Not sure that is acceptable for a casual player on Xbox.

...but you guys use statistics right, you would not have made very few CP campaigns just hoping everyone would just switch from CP to non-CP campaigns because of lag, right?....

Karivaa

Noooo! Have you played on Xbox? We regularly have cues of over 100 for Vivec for EP. It is the same for each alliance. While I am happy more ep are playing in Vivec, I can't imagine the ep from Amalexia adding to our current numbers.

Not only that, but we get dcd several times in large fights.

ZOS_BrianWheeler

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

bubbygink

Good on the Devs for listening to feedback and making these changes but I really think they were on to something originally by trying to get more people into no-CP PvP. I find no-CP so much better. It has far less ridiculous troll builds and seems much more balanced.

QuebraRegra

craftycarper73 wrote: »

what is the reason for getting rid of 7 day no cp ? just out of interest, ive played in no cp pvp for a while now and prefer this over cp, yes the numbers are not as high but the battles are good for the players that are there.

I kinda like liked Almalexia campaign... why not just add a CP campaign?

HonorTheDead

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Is there an official date for the Xbox incremental patch? Will we be getting it next week Monday as well, or do we have to wait an extra week to get these changes?

Publius_Scipio

Players should really stop the blanket statements that ZOS doesn't pay attention or that they don't give players what they want. This thread is more proof to the point.

But this all comes after players for a long time slammed CP "as bad" for PvP, and the Morrowind comes along and they all pack themselves in like hot sardines in the CP campaign and plead to ZOS for more CP campaigns. I would let loose but this is Mr. Wheeler's thread, a legendary dev's thread, so I will refrain from such behavior due to respect.

Scyantific

NBrookus wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

What Haderus players? You talking about the ones that would jump into Haddy to face the dominating faction-zerg while the TF queue popped? Or the ones from Azura's that would jump in to farm said dominating faction because they were getting faction zerged at any single Azura's resource?

Haderus was straight up on life-support since probably Dark Brotherhood, that ain't gonna change with Shor on Monday.

Because Sotha Sil is healthy with DC gate camping almost every day?
Or Vivec is healthy, with ball groups stacked together until latency spikes are 3-4 seconds for abilities to go off?
Almalexia is very healthy of course... for skyshard hunters and the EP trading guild selling emp achieves there.

There's nothing wrong with having an overflow campaign while people wait for their Vivec queue. That's a place where people are playing the game, not staring at a timer.

Haderus wasn't perfect by a long shot but I didn't rubberband, load screen and crash out regularly like on Vivec.

The CN/LoM zerg is more of a boon for EP and AD these days, those guys are just so bad at PvP that it's basically free AP for anyone who knows how to farm those fools. And if they end up gatecamping overnight, they usually end up getting their teeth kicked in during afternoon/early prime time hours. I mean if you want proof, just ask me about the multiple 10k-20k O-ticks/D-ticks these past few days. Pretty much everyone that isn't DC in that campaign has accepted the fact that DC will push the gates nightly, so our consolation is flat out humiliating them during actual NA PvP hours. It's made the campaign fun again, honestly.

Can't/Won't speak for Vivec because I refuse to go into that backwater cesspool of a campaign

That being said, what's gonna happen when a PvE/Trade zerg takes over Shor to start the emp-trading racket again? And what was wrong with the noCP players having a campaign to get some legitimate fights while DC was rolling over the map with sheer numbers in Sotha? Alma is/was good for us to get good PvP instead of staring at the same Viper/Tumor/Selene/Endless Fury/Eye of Potato death recaps over and over again.

Karivaa

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

Thank you! Please continue to monitor our cues as well as the lag that happens. We occasionally get dcd and sent to the open world and then do not want to wait in a cue of over 100 to get back into the fight. Most of the time now though when we dc, we load right back into cyrodiil. I'm glad you fixed that issue.

Neoauspex

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

How about making Almalexia a 3rd CP campaign, but with half the population cap to address server performance. And maybe triple the wall/door strength of keeps so that groups of 3 don't flip em every 5 minutes.

geonsocal

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

howdy @ZOS_BrianWheeler ...much appreciated for you all taking the time to utilize player feedback to provide an additional cp campaign for the us to alleviate queue times and hopefully improve server performance by diminishing the pop a bit in Vivec...

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

i know things aren't as easy to implement as they are to say - but - please, please, please - is there any chance at making IC it's own map?

at times - depending on the banner you are wearing - it can be a bit of a challenge getting to the IC gates...

brtomkin

While I am happy to have a 7-day CP campaign back, I would have voted to keep the 7-day non-CP campaign to go along with it. I would have liked to be able to go back and forth week-to-week between a CP and a non-CP campaign... as it is, I will never be more than a guest in the 30-day non-CP campaign.

Scyantific

geonsocal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

Because, and get this, it might blow your mind away, but there are peoplewho actually want the challenge of playing without their CP training wheels. Mind-blowing, isnt' it???

Takes-No-Prisoner

Scyantific wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

Because, and get this, it might blow your mind away, but there are peoplewho actually want the challenge of playing without their CP training wheels. Mind-blowing, isnt' it???

On console, specifically PS4 NA, the majority does not embrace Non-CP like PC NA does. We all shouldn't have to be cramped into one CP campaign. This is the problem geonsocal is referring to. He wasn't belittling Non-CP at all.

Non-CP has plenty of representation now, but us CP players prefer to have more options available to us. Since, not everyone here is running the best internet around.

Rohamad_Ali

You are awesome Mr Wheeler ! Thank you !

Anne_Firehawk

[snip] great news, finally can PVP again.

[Edit to remove censor bypass.]

DisgracefulMind

Thank you so much for listening to us!

Scyantific

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

Because, and get this, it might blow your mind away, but there are peoplewho actually want the challenge of playing without their CP training wheels. Mind-blowing, isnt' it???

On console, specifically PS4 NA, the majority does not embrace Non-CP like PC NA does. We all shouldn't have to be cramped into one CP campaign. This is the problem geonsocal is referring to. He wasn't belittling Non-CP at all.

Non-CP has plenty of representation now, but us CP players prefer to have more options available to us. Since, not everyone here is running the best internet around.

Uh I'm pretty sure he was, considering he was asking why the devs are dedicating resources to a campaign that fits a different playstyle from the usual training-wheel campaigns. Almost like he was intending to ask "why are you wasting your time with noCP when everyone should be playing CP?"

DisgracefulMind

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

Because, and get this, it might blow your mind away, but there are peoplewho actually want the challenge of playing without their CP training wheels. Mind-blowing, isnt' it???

On console, specifically PS4 NA, the majority does not embrace Non-CP like PC NA does. We all shouldn't have to be cramped into one CP campaign. This is the problem geonsocal is referring to. He wasn't belittling Non-CP at all.

Non-CP has plenty of representation now, but us CP players prefer to have more options available to us. Since, not everyone here is running the best internet around.

Not everyone on PC/NA likes No-CP either. I think it's fine either that you prefer. People need to stop throwing this "cp training wheels" thing around. The game is balanced around CP, whether anyone likes that or not, it's the truth. The entire game was reworked for CPs. No need for others to belittle for their preference of PvP.

Takes-No-Prisoner

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

Because, and get this, it might blow your mind away, but there are peoplewho actually want the challenge of playing without their CP training wheels. Mind-blowing, isnt' it???

On console, specifically PS4 NA, the majority does not embrace Non-CP like PC NA does. We all shouldn't have to be cramped into one CP campaign. This is the problem geonsocal is referring to. He wasn't belittling Non-CP at all.

Non-CP has plenty of representation now, but us CP players prefer to have more options available to us. Since, not everyone here is running the best internet around.

Not everyone on PC/NA likes No-CP either. I think it's fine either that you prefer. People need to stop throwing this "cp training wheels" thing around. The game is balanced around CP, whether anyone likes that or not, it's the truth. The entire game was reworked for CPs. No need for others to belittle for their preference of PvP.

Oh yes, of course.

The debate between CP and Non-CP will continue well beyond this thread. I do believe that having equal representation of CP and Non-CP in all PvP activities will suffice all palettes. My original hidden concern was this; I have seen other communities where one aspect of game play is vastly ignored to favor another type all together, causing large rifts between communities. This is something I genuinely do not want to see happen here.

Ideally, I would like Non-CP to keep it's second campaign. This way we can have 2 CP enabled campaigns, 30 day/7 day and 2 Non-CP 30 day/7 day. Same rulesets and everything, but one just has the CP switched off. Less confusion and more choices for people out there.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yay 7 day cp for ps4!

Fyaal

Thank the nine!

Another CP campaign to play in when ques and lag are too much.

Good job listening to feedback @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Anhedonie

[snip] One step forward, ten steps back, Zenimax.

[Edit to remove censor bypass.]

Shaggygaming

Fyaal wrote: »

Thank the nine!

Another CP campaign to play in when ques and lag are too much.

Good job listening to feedback @ZOS_BrianWheeler

What feedback? The feedback about BG queues, proc sets, and poisons in non CP? You can't have anything healthy when it is being eaten by cancer so the best thing to do is kill it.

DisgracefulMind

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Remember that Almalexia is Non-CP and Sotha is also Non-CP which is most likely where the Almalexia players will go, but we never take that as a given so we will be monitoring the queues & population of Sotha, Vivec and Shor on Xbox.

I have to be honest though - from many of our perspective - it is very puzzling to see zos resources devoted to a 30 day no cp campaign...i'm sure there is some good rational behind it...but, it doesn't really seem to make sense...

Because, and get this, it might blow your mind away, but there are peoplewho actually want the challenge of playing without their CP training wheels. Mind-blowing, isnt' it???

On console, specifically PS4 NA, the majority does not embrace Non-CP like PC NA does. We all shouldn't have to be cramped into one CP campaign. This is the problem geonsocal is referring to. He wasn't belittling Non-CP at all.

Non-CP has plenty of representation now, but us CP players prefer to have more options available to us. Since, not everyone here is running the best internet around.

Not everyone on PC/NA likes No-CP either. I think it's fine either that you prefer. People need to stop throwing this "cp training wheels" thing around. The game is balanced around CP, whether anyone likes that or not, it's the truth. The entire game was reworked for CPs. No need for others to belittle for their preference of PvP.

Oh yes, of course.

The debate between CP and Non-CP will continue well beyond this thread. I do believe that having equal representation of CP and Non-CP in all PvP activities will suffice all palettes. My original hidden concern was this; I have seen other communities where one aspect of game play is vastly ignored to favor another type all together, causing large rifts between communities. This is something I genuinely do not want to see happen here.

Ideally, I would like Non-CP to keep it's second campaign. This way we can have 2 CP enabled campaigns, 30 day/7 day and 2 Non-CP 30 day/7 day. Same rulesets and everything, but one just has the CP switched off. Less confusion and more choices for people out there.

I agree completely. I also think Battlegrounds need to have an option between CP and NoCP. Charging people for an expansion to play BGs, but giving them no access to their CPs is a little ridiculous imo.