Two 5 piece set or 1 set with willpower?

akl77

Which one is better for staff wielding PVE players? Mainly for vet dungeons, especially adds.
5 necro, 5 julianos, 1 monster piece.
Or
5 necro, 3 willpower, 2 monster, 1 random staff.

All I read from experts like alcast and deltia are 1 set with willpower, but when you add the second set up plus a monster piece it's clearly better stats.
Am I missing something?

code65536

Since the bonuses on Willpower are 50% stronger than standard set bonuses, 3p Willpower is a lot like a 4p of a regular set. So then it comes down to the Julianos 5th piece vs. 2p Monster. And depending on the Monster set that you use, it's often better than the Julianos 5th bonus.

Minor Slayer is something that you'd want, though. So Necro builds are usually in the form of 5p Necro, 2p Monster, 4p Slayer (Moondancer, Master Architect, or Infallible Aether). Not Willpower.

Willpower comes into play if you decide to run a 5p Slayer set. So you'd have something like 5p Master Architect, 3p Willpower, 2p Monster.

Finally, because a 5/3/2 setup leaves an orphan staff slot, it works best if you have access to vMA staves. Otherwise, 5/5/1 could work better.

The nice thing about 5/5/1 is that you can just craft Julianos staves, if you don't have a good dropped weapon to use.

leepalmer95

akl77 wrote: »

Which one is better for staff wielding PVE players? Mainly for vet dungeons, especially adds.
5 necro, 5 julianos, 1 monster piece.
Or
5 necro, 3 willpower, 2 monster, 1 random staff.

All I read from experts like alcast and deltia are 1 set with willpower, but when you add the second set up plus a monster piece it's clearly better stats.
Am I missing something?

Do that maths.

Necro is the same on both so we'll ignore that

Willpower:

189 spell dmg
1400 magicka

Staff = Msa = 189 spell dmg

Monster set - we'll say 2x max magicka so 1900 magicka

378 spell dmg
3300 magicka

Second setup

1x monster 950 magicka

Julianos:

6% crit
950 magicka
300 spell dmg.

So 6% crit
1900 magicka
300 spell dmg.

the willpower set up is more dmg plus you have the option of losing 950 magicka and going another piece of the set for an effect.

akl77

leepalmer95 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Which one is better for staff wielding PVE players? Mainly for vet dungeons, especially adds.
5 necro, 5 julianos, 1 monster piece.
Or
5 necro, 3 willpower, 2 monster, 1 random staff.

All I read from experts like alcast and deltia are 1 set with willpower, but when you add the second set up plus a monster piece it's clearly better stats.
Am I missing something?

Do that maths.

Necro is the same on both so we'll ignore that

Willpower:

189 spell dmg
1400 magicka

Staff = Msa = 189 spell dmg

Monster set - we'll say 2x max magicka so 1900 magicka

378 spell dmg
3300 magicka

Second setup

1x monster 950 magicka

Julianos:

6% crit
950 magicka
300 spell dmg.

So 6% crit
1900 magicka
300 spell dmg.

the willpower set up is more dmg plus you have the option of losing 950 magicka and going another piece of the set for an effect.

What if I won't have the MSA staff, just random staff.
Then it'll lose out on damage and crit.

DRXHarbinger

5 master architect + 5 necropotence + master staff pet sorc. Try it out.

dpencil1

@akl77
If you haven't experimented with the UESP Build Editor, that would be worth doing. Make your build on there and check your "Effective Spell Power," then switch up gear only and see how it changes. Just remember it doesn't take the extra effect of the 2nd monster piece into account. For sets like Ilambris and Grothdarr, you're usually gaining about 1500 dps. Also, Willpower is almost identical to 3-piece Minor Slayer. If you have a sharp weapon of a Minor Slayer set, it pulls ahead a little.

mb10

I tested this the other day and got more dps with the 2 5pc sets and 1 monster helm

However, the VMA staff I used with the WP and monster set up was a good defending inferno staff.
I don't have sharpened but I would prefer more resistance in some cases anyway and thought to myself why use sharpened and then rely on a proc set like a monster set when I can have the passives of two 5 pc sets all the time

Anyway the numbers didn't lie and for me it's better with 2 5pc

humpalicous

2 five piece sets is generally regarded as the superior setup.

Since you are talking about Necropotence, I'm assuming that you're a Sorc?

This is the setup I'm running on my Mag Sorc and its a good DPS build, easily pulling 25k+ on a veeery sloppy rotation:

5 Necro
3 Infallible Aether (or Moondancer if you have it, for that Minor Slayer buff)
2 Illambris OR Valkyn, I see more dps with Illambris but it's close.
1 VMA Lightning Staff (Precise trait I'm afraid...)
1 Random Sharp Lightning Staff (I only have 1 VMA staff, RNG hasn't been good to me)

If you have all of these sets, try em out, otherwise 5 pc Elegance and 5 pc Necro is very good as well!