Highest DPS class?

Ithe1st

(Also suggest builds if you can)

leepalmer95

By dps i assume you mean pve?

Magicka sorc

Asmael

It's actually a pretty complex question now.

On one hand, magicka sorcerers aren't pulling the highest numbers, but on the other hand, they enable high offbalance uptime with specific builds, providing a significant group DPS increase. On the other hand, you have heavy attacks stam DKs or Power lash mag DKs who will reduce the offbalance uptime, but provide significant single target DPS, stam sorcs with higher AoE / cleave than stam DKs but lesser single target, Wardens providing mass Major Fracture / breach (and stam DKs providing only AoE fracture, but still) helping group DPS as well.

As such, strictly in terms of "selfish" single target DPS, I would go for stamina DKs, but in terms of "actual" group DPS increase, the answer is going to vary depending on boss fights / trash. Magicka sorcs help a lot in this regard.

That makes for pretty balanced group composition.

DeHei

Sorcerer

This reflect my feeling:

1. Magicka Sorcs can do the most DPS actually
2. Stamina Nightblades do constantly high DPS too
3. Here i see all other Staminaclasses with there DPS (most of them using nearly same skills, just 1 spamable classskill and maybe 1 dot is different)
4. Magicka DKs
5. Magicka Warden and Magicka Templar

The DDs are all not far away from each other

Banana

Sorcerer

No nerfs needed here

Apherius

Sorcerer

And templar is the best heal ... Dk the best tank .
Nb the best Battleground class .

Nerf sorc thread incomming .

DeHei

Sorcerer

Apherius wrote: »

And templar is the best heal ... Dk the best tank .
Nb the best Battleground class .

Nerf sorc thread incomming .

Isnt need to nerf anything. Better would be to ask, why isnt there any balance, that DDs are not able to deal similar damage. After that, find a way to balance that..

dusk194

DragonKnight

The current direction of this thread is off... don't assume that every class is intended to be equal in every aspect of content.

Certain classes perform better in one form of content and drop off in other content. No nerfs needed. Just don't assume you can be over powered in all content on only 1 class, you can however take one class into all content at your own risk

caperon

Nightblade

Asmael wrote: »

It's actually a pretty complex question now.

On one hand, magicka sorcerers aren't pulling the highest numbers, but on the other hand, they enable high offbalance uptime with specific builds, providing a significant group DPS increase. On the other hand, you have heavy attacks stam DKs or Power lash mag DKs who will reduce the offbalance uptime, but provide significant single target DPS, stam sorcs with higher AoE / cleave than stam DKs but lesser single target, Wardens providing mass Major Fracture / breach (and stam DKs providing only AoE fracture, but still) helping group DPS as well.

As such, strictly in terms of "selfish" single target DPS, I would go for stamina DKs, but in terms of "actual" group DPS increase, the answer is going to vary depending on boss fights / trash. Magicka sorcs help a lot in this regard.

That makes for pretty balanced group composition.

This is the best answer. Many people still has the previous patch mindset and haven't adapted yet.

Right now, all stamina have the potential for higher single target damage than magicka, with nb and dk as highest but sorcs and templars with more cleave. Magicka has bttetr cleave and pure aoe. Situation now is pretty balanced.

In HoF, with some extremelly mobile fights, stamblade benefits of having minor berserk in their kit, so they pull very good numbers.

cpuScientist

DragonKnight

People are way to stuck in the past. Sorcs are still great but are not dealing the highest DPS anymore. They are stuck with no Regen nerfed pets and frag. And heavy attack nerf also affect them greatly as they have no Regen so many have to do heavy attack setups. They are still very strong and provide great group support now. But they are not the best. A flame lash mDK and heavy attack stamDK are probably on top, but Nightblades are right there probably a lil better probably not, Haven't tested enough since I'm mostly done with PVE lol.

Morgul667

DragonKnight

DK are back

Flameheart

DragonKnight

Stamina DK with a pure HA build.

50k+ dps in a raid environment appears reasonable.. No magicka sorc will currently get there.

Actually the Morrwind patch did a lot for stamina builds. DPS and sustain is awesome. Now you just need to survive :-)

Magicka DK isn't bad too. You just need a few buff *** (magSorcs, healers) with Blockade of Storms so that I can do my Flame Lash procs :-)

I really enjoy my stamblade at moment in 4-man-content. It's hell of a fun. I sadly realized, that I need far more stamina build chars...

Dracindo

Sorcerer

DRXHarbinger

Flameheart wrote: »

Stamina DK with a pure HA build.

50k+ dps in a raid environment appears reasonable.. No magicka sorc will currently get there.

Actually the Morrwind patch did a lot for stamina builds. DPS and sustain is awesome. Now you just need to survive :-)

Magicka DK isn't bad too. You just need a few buff *** (magSorcs, healers) with Blockade of Storms so that I can do my Flame Lash procs :-)

This, Spinning and Winning with my Whip, Sorcs get that Thunderous rage down so I can dance for 9s and pull some huge numbers.

Lord_Eomer

I do not think any such poll is needed!

Its lame if some1 not knows and starting somethhing like this..

Some class are easier to pull higher dps and some can with bis gear and tweaks to rotation..

DRXHarbinger

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I do not think any such poll is needed!

Its lame if some1 not knows and starting somethhing like this..

Some class are easier to pull higher dps and some can with bis gear and tweaks to rotation..

Realistically it shouldn't be make or break for DPS numbers, it should be what class you like the most. Sorc may be near the top but it is boring as *** to play...put pet out, 3 attacks and 2 heavies and repeat...Why everyone goes nuts for it is actually quite sad. DK and Templar require a bit more input.

Vaoh

Asmael wrote: »

It's actually a pretty complex question now.

On one hand, magicka sorcerers aren't pulling the highest numbers, but on the other hand, they enable high offbalance uptime with specific builds, providing a significant group DPS increase. On the other hand, you have heavy attacks stam DKs or Power lash mag DKs who will reduce the offbalance uptime, but provide significant single target DPS, stam sorcs with higher AoE / cleave than stam DKs but lesser single target, Wardens providing mass Major Fracture / breach (and stam DKs providing only AoE fracture, but still) helping group DPS as well.

As such, strictly in terms of "selfish" single target DPS, I would go for stamina DKs, but in terms of "actual" group DPS increase, the answer is going to vary depending on boss fights / trash. Magicka sorcs help a lot in this regard.

That makes for pretty balanced group composition.

^^^^^yep

It is no longer about who pulls the highest DPS. Now it is more along the lines of what is the general DPS range a class spec has and what it brings to the group to increase their damage.

Vaoh

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I do not think any such poll is needed!

Its lame if some1 not knows and starting somethhing like this..

Some class are easier to pull higher dps and some can with bis gear and tweaks to rotation..

Realistically it shouldn't be make or break for DPS numbers, it should be what class you like the most. Sorc may be near the top but it is boring as *** to play...put pet out, 3 attacks and 2 heavies and repeat...Why everyone goes nuts for it is actually quite sad. DK and Templar require a bit more input.

@DRXHarbinger People go nuts for Mag Sorcs because of threads like this. Look how many people already flocked to Magicka Sorcerer like it's Homestead just how it is now.

DRXHarbinger

Vaoh wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I do not think any such poll is needed!

Its lame if some1 not knows and starting somethhing like this..

Some class are easier to pull higher dps and some can with bis gear and tweaks to rotation..

Realistically it shouldn't be make or break for DPS numbers, it should be what class you like the most. Sorc may be near the top but it is boring as *** to play...put pet out, 3 attacks and 2 heavies and repeat...Why everyone goes nuts for it is actually quite sad. DK and Templar require a bit more input.

@DRXHarbinger People go nuts for Mag Sorcs because of threads like this. Look how many people already flocked to Magicka Sorcerer like it's Homestead just how it is now.

The issue for people going nuts for them though is everyone saying WARD WARD WARD WARD WARD, SHIELDS FTW! GOD MODE, NOTHING CAN KILL YOU WITH WARD!

Despite the fact Harness Magika is available to everyone and in the day of sustain being shite Harness is actually far more valuable as one magika hit on you gives you the cost of casting it back...But hey go for Ward, it's a bit bigger.

Alcast made a sorc pet build that doesn't even use frags and I tried it and it pulls stupid numbers, literally 3 dots, scamp and 2 heavies and repeat.. Great numbers but soooooo boring to play ( no offense to Alcast, it's a great build for the job it does)

Getting to the point now where sorcs should be an unlock at achieving flawless with a Stam Nightblade, most people that suck at stamina or Magdk started as Magsorcs and this is why...despite the fact a DK has endless heals with embers and a 10K minimum heal with Coag blood AND Harness AND Powerlash being free AND Healing you AND looking cool as *** in the process.

theamazingx

All the people spouting "magsorc" on impulse need to understand that a skeleton parse with a magsorc is padded by the fact that they are the ones giving a group most of their offbalance and minor vulnerability. That's ~18% they get that anyone else in the group would also get - that makes it great to have 2-3 of them, but not 8. Keep that in mind when comparing skele parses. If that was all that mattered, I'd be using the stam sorc I got just under 40k with WITHOUT puncture or buffs of any kind.

Vaoh

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I do not think any such poll is needed!

Its lame if some1 not knows and starting somethhing like this..

Some class are easier to pull higher dps and some can with bis gear and tweaks to rotation..

Realistically it shouldn't be make or break for DPS numbers, it should be what class you like the most. Sorc may be near the top but it is boring as *** to play...put pet out, 3 attacks and 2 heavies and repeat...Why everyone goes nuts for it is actually quite sad. DK and Templar require a bit more input.

@DRXHarbinger People go nuts for Mag Sorcs because of threads like this. Look how many people already flocked to Magicka Sorcerer like it's Homestead just how it is now.

The issue for people going nuts for them though is everyone saying WARD WARD WARD WARD WARD, SHIELDS FTW! GOD MODE, NOTHING CAN KILL YOU WITH WARD!

Despite the fact Harness Magika is available to everyone and in the day of sustain being shite Harness is actually far more valuable as one magika hit on you gives you the cost of casting it back...But hey go for Ward, it's a bit bigger.

Alcast made a sorc pet build that doesn't even use frags and I tried it and it pulls stupid numbers, literally 3 dots, scamp and 2 heavies and repeat.. Great numbers but soooooo boring to play ( no offense to Alcast, it's a great build for the job it does)

Getting to the point now where sorcs should be an unlock at achieving flawless with a Stam Nightblade, most people that suck at stamina or Magdk started as Magsorcs and this is why...despite the fact a DK has endless heals with embers and a 10K minimum heal with Coag blood AND Harness AND Powerlash being free AND Healing you AND looking cool as *** in the process.

Oh yep. No need for Frags at all tbh on many good Sorc builds, though the meta Mag Sorc from last patch is still strong.

I usually run both Bound Aegis and Volatile Familiar now with Necropotence. Place down DoTs+Heavy Attack is basically all I have to do to pull high numbers.

It's the ease of a Mag Sorc's rotation to still pull high numbers that makes them so popular I guess.

Also big factor imo, is that a Mag Sorc's rotation is very fluid - animations work smoothly and properly. On my Mag Warden, animations during a rotation constantly break or stall and then all play quickly every other rotation or so.... very frustrating.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

DragonKnight

Anyone saying magic sorc hasnt paid attention this patch. Sorcs are competitive and have a quicker learning curve, but they wont beat a stam DK (or stam sorc, or stamblade, or you know, any stam toon). They are also doing less single target then some of the other magic classes. They are still very strong and easy to play, but they are in no way the top DPS.

Cybercore_Death

DragonKnight

In all honestly i would say watch a few videos or do some research on skills etc and see what would suite your play style.

I tried my hand at being a DK Tank recently and it wasn't for me. I was able to hold well in dungeons but the play style didn't suite me.

I've been a DK DPS since the off. I started as Mag and changed to Stam to mix it up a bit but ended up gong back to Mag because the mix of up close / long range works better for me.

I use 5 piece Silks of Sun, 5 piece Julianos and 1 piece Iceheart (head). I have a Flame staff on front and Lightning on back.

I use the 5-1-1 setup for the extra bonuses from the Undaunted skill tree and am currently a stage 4 vamp (though i'm considering getting cured to compare regen difference) and my race is Dunmer (because fire damage boost).

I also did some research on gear benefits for Mag builds recently and came up with (what i thought) would be a good build to get raw spell damage. As with everything i need to do the grind for the gear but i'm hoping it will pay off.

I've also got a Khajiit StamSorc which will inherit the gear i used on my StamDK when the time comes. I find this combo a fun build to play as well.

TL:DR - Play what suites you the best. Use build guides for help but go with what works for you.