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[VIDEO] 'Frostie Bonie' - Crescent's Magicka Warden PVP Build | Morrowind Patch

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Build Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4G5ZcP7NMQ

Gameplay Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdxeADjuVJc

Gameplay Tutorial+Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_WLxPcsPw&lc=z13shxqzjkfrwnqjz04cj5bqaoqlsz35jr00k

1 Medium 1 Heavy 5 Light, Destro + Resto Build

2xPirate Skeleton
5xNecropotence set (5 Body pieces)
3xWillpower set (3 jewelery)
Maelstrom or Master Destro Staff (Flame preferred)
Maelstrom or Master Resto Staff
Timeline of content in build video:
Intro - 0:10
Item Setup - 1:30
Potions, Poisons & Foodbuff - 3:35
Stat Sheet & Mundus stone - 6:00
Alternative Setup - 7:10
Skills & playstyle - 9:02
CP Setup - 16:14
Outro & Important Tips - 19:30
INTRO:
This build is meant to play solo or in a small group (2 to 6)
PROs: Extremely tanky and durable, with great burst & good mobility
CONs: vMSA or Master Destro Flame Staff are hard to get (RNG base)
FULL BUILD DETAIL:
buffed stats on destro bar(not in cyrodiil)
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SETS
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WHY PIRATE SKELETON SET? Stacking damage reduction is the meta for light armor this patch to survive in cyrodiil. Thus having 30% reduction from skeleton set + 8% from froze armor is essential during outnumbered fights
WHY NECROPOTENCE? Hands down the best set for magicka warden since betty is a must use skill
CP
Very straight forward and generic. Just make sure u have more points into Bastion and some into crit damage. Also, do remember to put up to 23% into Master-At-Arms CP
SKILLS
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Destro bar - fetcher infector, cliff racer, crushing shock, deep fissure, harness magicka. Ulti - Northen Storm
Resto bar - Blue betty, ice fortress, leeching vines, bird of prey, healing ward. Ulti - Resto ulti
fetcher infector is a flexible skill. Inner light, shimmering shield or gripping shards are all good substitute
Resto ulti could be swapped out for meteor or bats swamp as well
STATS SHEET
buffed not in cyrodiil:
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COMBACT GAMEPLAY
Combos & Tips – 9:02 and 19:30 in video. Highly recommandable! (watching the whole vid is good as well :P)
Short version: Apply DOT(fetcher infector) and buffs during combat. Then pre cast fissure into cliff racer into crushing shock
So the combo would be DOT > Fissure (CC) > Meteor(if available) > Cliff racer > Crushing shock
Always keep Blue betty & ice fortress up. before engagin make sure leeching vines&bird of prey are ready as well
LAST WORDS:
Thanks for reading until the end! Feel free to gimme some constructive feedback!
Edited by crusnik91 on July 16, 2017 11:02PM
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Jayren - V16 MagBlade AR30
Crescent J'renz - V16 StamBlade AR46
Crescent Lucrecia - V16 MagSorc AR32
Courageous DC
Crescent Sephiroth - V16 StamDK AR50
Crescent Singu-rarity - V16 MagTemplar AR33
Relentless AD
Crescent the Tiny - V16 StamSorc AR10
Crescent-The-Huge-One - V16 MagWarden AR18
  • Kay1
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    Very good build I was running the same but Dual wield instead of destro and lotus instead of Crushing Shock.

    Why Northern Storm over Permafrost or Ice Comet? Is the Max Magicka bonus worthy?
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    Kay1 wrote: »
    Very good build I was running the same but Dual wield instead of destro and lotus instead of Crushing Shock.

    Why Northern Storm over Permafrost or Ice Comet? Is the Max Magicka bonus worthy?

    8% is massive
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    Da heck? Why is our stats so similar (I'm in heavy too...)

    Oh wanna point out: Shimmering (name eludes me) will prevent more damage than a normal shield when absorbing things like Frags etc,. Example: 7k frag, 2k wrath and 5k pulse is 14k worth of damage all absorbed by shimmering, just something to consider
    Edited by Waffennacht on June 22, 2017 4:45PM
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  • Ariades_swe
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    Would this work without maelstrom ot masters staff?
  • devilsTear
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    Kay1 wrote: »
    Very good build I was running the same but Dual wield instead of destro and lotus instead of Crushing Shock.

    Why Northern Storm over Permafrost or Ice Comet? Is the Max Magicka bonus worthy?

    8% is massive

    Permafrost ulti stun is really nice too have especially if you're trying to bomb but that's another build, nice one @crusnik91
  • crusnik91
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    Da heck? Why is our stats so similar (I'm in heavy too...)

    Oh wanna point out: Shimmering (name eludes me) will prevent more damage than a normal shield when absorbing things like Frags etc,. Example: 7k frag, 2k wrath and 5k pulse is 14k worth of damage all absorbed by shimmering, just something to consider

    Yup shimmering is really good too! But the only problem I had in my mind is that shimmering doesnt 'absorb' the DOT damage of some skills (poison injection, flame clench etc etc). That's what my mate told me after he tested it. That's the only reason I am holding back on that skill atm.
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    Crescent J'renz - V16 StamBlade AR46
    Crescent Lucrecia - V16 MagSorc AR32
    Courageous DC
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    Crescent Singu-rarity - V16 MagTemplar AR33
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    Crescent the Tiny - V16 StamSorc AR10
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  • crusnik91
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    devilsTear wrote: »
    Kay1 wrote: »
    Very good build I was running the same but Dual wield instead of destro and lotus instead of Crushing Shock.

    Why Northern Storm over Permafrost or Ice Comet? Is the Max Magicka bonus worthy?

    8% is massive

    Permafrost ulti stun is really nice too have especially if you're trying to bomb but that's another build, nice one @crusnik91

    yup. for group bombing or any kind of large scale PVP the morph that stuns enemies will defo be better B)
    But for solo I really like that 8% increase magicka
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    Crescent J'renz - V16 StamBlade AR46
    Crescent Lucrecia - V16 MagSorc AR32
    Courageous DC
    Crescent Sephiroth - V16 StamDK AR50
    Crescent Singu-rarity - V16 MagTemplar AR33
    Relentless AD
    Crescent the Tiny - V16 StamSorc AR10
    Crescent-The-Huge-One - V16 MagWarden AR18
  • crusnik91
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    Would this work without maelstrom ot masters staff?

    It could work as well. Just slot in a random sharpened fire staff and use obivion damage enchantment.
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    Crescent J'renz - V16 StamBlade AR46
    Crescent Lucrecia - V16 MagSorc AR32
    Courageous DC
    Crescent Sephiroth - V16 StamDK AR50
    Crescent Singu-rarity - V16 MagTemplar AR33
    Relentless AD
    Crescent the Tiny - V16 StamSorc AR10
    Crescent-The-Huge-One - V16 MagWarden AR18
  • Waffennacht
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    Our builds are very similar, so similar I'm wanting your opinion on Fletcher.

    It's a really solid DoT, but I'm finding the burst from Shalk, destro, racer to be what's really doing all the killing.

    I'm considering placing Bird o Prey on the main bar over Fletcher and running Ice Fortress + Impaling Shards (talon morph right?) backbar, what's your opinion on this? (Keep in mind I'm running heavy)
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  • crusnik91
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    Our builds are very similar, so similar I'm wanting your opinion on Fletcher.

    It's a really solid DoT, but I'm finding the burst from Shalk, destro, racer to be what's really doing all the killing.

    I'm considering placing Bird o Prey on the main bar over Fletcher and running Ice Fortress + Impaling Shards (talon morph right?) backbar, what's your opinion on this? (Keep in mind I'm running heavy)

    Fletcher is extremely good against tanky/shield stacking target because u really need the huge DOT to wear them down. However I do switch it around since that skill is my flex spot. Inner light (for crit and bigger max mag), Shard for (aoe immobilize against multiple targets), Shimmering shield (fast ulti gain) or even Nature's Embrace (Huge healing DOT)

    I would say the 5 skills on my resto bar are extremely important or a total must use. Only the skills on my destro bar are exchangable. Hope this helps!
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    Courageous DC
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    Crescent Singu-rarity - V16 MagTemplar AR33
    Relentless AD
    Crescent the Tiny - V16 StamSorc AR10
    Crescent-The-Huge-One - V16 MagWarden AR18
  • ku5h
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    Nice! Cya on the battlefield.
  • BaByDontHurtMe
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    Why do you run Ice Fortress if you are running two shields a la Sorc ? I imagine you keep it up most of the time
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    Why do you run Ice Fortress if you are running two shields a la Sorc ? I imagine you keep it up most of the time
    Probably because it gives Minor Protection, and the 8% from that also applies to shields. Warden shields are down more often than sorcs, and thus the extra armor helps when that occurs.
  • crusnik91
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    Tonturri wrote: »
    Why do you run Ice Fortress if you are running two shields a la Sorc ? I imagine you keep it up most of the time
    Probably because it gives Minor Protection, and the 8% from that also applies to shields. Warden shields are down more often than sorcs, and thus the extra armor helps when that occurs.

    yup! Even if I am playing a high elf warden with 10k shields it will still go down really fast because damage from particular sets are really really high
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    Crescent Lucrecia - V16 MagSorc AR32
    Courageous DC
    Crescent Sephiroth - V16 StamDK AR50
    Crescent Singu-rarity - V16 MagTemplar AR33
    Relentless AD
    Crescent the Tiny - V16 StamSorc AR10
    Crescent-The-Huge-One - V16 MagWarden AR18
  • NightbladeMechanics
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    Ok this honestly looks fun as hell to play. You've made me want to finally break down and make my Warden.

    Now I just need a name.

    I do definitely recommend way more points into Ironclad and fewer into Bastion, if any. Look how many points you put into Master-at-Arms. 72-81 points is pretty standard for offensive CP now, and those two are mirror stars. For shielding builds, I personally find higher mitigation and sustain more valuable than slightly larger shields following the buffs to mitigation stars and nerfs to Bastion. That's my two cents. Otherwise, very fun and strong looking build.

    Off to come up with that name. ;)
    Edited by NightbladeMechanics on June 24, 2017 11:14AM
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  • Waffennacht
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    Thought bastion stayed unchanged.

    BTW I personally dropped Fletcher for testing, I think it's a great DOT but just no real synergy.

    Placed Bird O Prey main bar, put ice Fortress on back, dropped shards for Corrupting Pollen.

    I had underestimated corrupting Pollen, that defile is pretty great, with CP mine reduces healing by 42% and has at level 3 a tooltip heal of approximately 10k

    Maybe you try something similar and let me know what you think?

    I, at times, wanna go back to light armor, but then a proc NB etc makes me glad I'm in heavy. Opinions?
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  • C0ndor
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    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations
    Edited by C0ndor on June 24, 2017 3:35PM
  • leepalmer95
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    Ok this honestly looks fun as hell to play. You've made me want to finally break down and make my Warden.

    Now I just need a name.

    I do definitely recommend way more points into Ironclad and fewer into Bastion, if any. Look how many points you put into Master-at-Arms. 72-81 points is pretty standard for offensive CP now, and those two are mirror stars. For shielding builds, I personally find higher mitigation and sustain more valuable than slightly larger shields following the buffs to mitigation stars and nerfs to Bastion. That's my two cents. Otherwise, very fun and strong looking build.

    Off to come up with that name. ;)

    I usually put 56/ 64 in myself for 20/21%. How much % is 72-81?
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  • crusnik91
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    Ok this honestly looks fun as hell to play. You've made me want to finally break down and make my Warden.

    Now I just need a name.

    I do definitely recommend way more points into Ironclad and fewer into Bastion, if any. Look how many points you put into Master-at-Arms. 72-81 points is pretty standard for offensive CP now, and those two are mirror stars. For shielding builds, I personally find higher mitigation and sustain more valuable than slightly larger shields following the buffs to mitigation stars and nerfs to Bastion. That's my two cents. Otherwise, very fun and strong looking build.

    Off to come up with that name. ;)

    hmm good point about Master at arms cp. I think perhaps I could drop bastion to maybe 18~19% and spend more points into Ironclad since it scales better with less cp on one particular CP branch.
    yea naming a toon is the hardest. I simply just created a tiny argonian and called him 'crescent-the-huge-one' :D
    Edited by crusnik91 on June 25, 2017 6:56PM
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  • NightbladeMechanics
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    Ok this honestly looks fun as hell to play. You've made me want to finally break down and make my Warden.

    Now I just need a name.

    I do definitely recommend way more points into Ironclad and fewer into Bastion, if any. Look how many points you put into Master-at-Arms. 72-81 points is pretty standard for offensive CP now, and those two are mirror stars. For shielding builds, I personally find higher mitigation and sustain more valuable than slightly larger shields following the buffs to mitigation stars and nerfs to Bastion. That's my two cents. Otherwise, very fun and strong looking build.

    Off to come up with that name. ;)

    I usually put 56/ 64 in myself for 20/21%. How much % is 72-81?

    23-24%. The diminishing returns aren't very bad even that high.

    crusnik91 wrote: »
    Ok this honestly looks fun as hell to play. You've made me want to finally break down and make my Warden.

    Now I just need a name.

    I do definitely recommend way more points into Ironclad and fewer into Bastion, if any. Look how many points you put into Master-at-Arms. 72-81 points is pretty standard for offensive CP now, and those two are mirror stars. For shielding builds, I personally find higher mitigation and sustain more valuable than slightly larger shields following the buffs to mitigation stars and nerfs to Bastion. That's my two cents. Otherwise, very fun and strong looking build.

    Off to come up with that name. ;)

    hmm good point about Master at arms cp. I think perhaps I could drop bastion to maybe 18~19% and spend more points into Ironclad since it scales better with less cp on one particular CP branch.
    yea naming a toon is the hardest. I simply just created a tiny argonian and called him 'crescent-the-huge-one' :D

    I settled on Swims-in-Cocytus, an Argonian as well. In Greek mythology, Cocytus is one of the rivers around Hades, Styx being the most famous. In Dante's Inferno, the 9th and innermost circle of hell is a frozen lake named Cocytus, in which the worst sinners, betrayers to their benefactors, are embedded in the ice in varying depths and contorted positions, frozen forever as punishment for their treachery. I always loved Inferno. I'm making my Warden an ice mage. It's so rp. lol :naughty:
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    Edited by Waffennacht on June 26, 2017 12:38AM
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  • NightbladeMechanics
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?
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  • C0ndor
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Personally I refresh trellis after using healing ward if bursted down, so I take double healing and the size of the shield is bigger instead of a double cast of healing ward (harness+hw+trellis= huge heal, huge damage shield and 10s more of trellis to gain health back). On top of that trellis should be cheaper or heal more (not sure, I don't remember atm). Even if it's not i'm also pretty sure that minor life steal is affected by battlespirit and can't crit, so a crit from trellis in a bad situation is better than minor life steal over 10s if focussed. It's not about using one instead of the other, is just more healing when needed.
  • Waffennacht
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Trellis is more akin to a strong HoT with Healing Ward as your "Oh No!" heal. Also great against LA or DoTs as I'll probably net you health
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  • NightbladeMechanics
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Trellis is more akin to a strong HoT with Healing Ward as your "Oh No!" heal. Also great against LA or DoTs as I'll probably net you health

    I get that. Would the burst heal from Trellis or Minor Lifesteal from Leeching net more healing averaged over the duration of the spell? I don't know the numbers on them.

    Edit: asking from a solo perspective. Lifesteal would clearly benefit a group more.
    Edited by NightbladeMechanics on June 26, 2017 9:30AM
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Trellis is more akin to a strong HoT with Healing Ward as your "Oh No!" heal. Also great against LA or DoTs as I'll probably net you health

    I get that. Would the burst heal from Trellis or Minor Lifesteal from Leeching net more healing averaged over the duration of the spell? I don't know the numbers on them.

    Edit: asking from a solo perspective. Lifesteal would clearly benefit a group more.

    Not sure I get the point. Trellis and vines heal you every time you get hit (cd 1 sec) by 2/3k (don't remember the numbers atm, and it works when your shield is hitten too. So in solo prospective you keep trellis and shields up all the time. When you get hit by massive burst damage you just harness > bar swap> healing ward> trellis refresh. You will get huge shield, nice healing and every time your shield get hit you take other heals. If you have a dot on you and you can los you get a ton of mag and health back, if you can't, you will buy time to go again offensive and crush 1/more enemies or stay defensive till resto ulti for full recover and fight back.
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Trellis is more akin to a strong HoT with Healing Ward as your "Oh No!" heal. Also great against LA or DoTs as I'll probably net you health

    I get that. Would the burst heal from Trellis or Minor Lifesteal from Leeching net more healing averaged over the duration of the spell? I don't know the numbers on them.

    Edit: asking from a solo perspective. Lifesteal would clearly benefit a group more.

    Not sure I get the point. Trellis and vines heal you every time you get hit (cd 1 sec) by 2/3k (don't remember the numbers atm, and it works when your shield is hitten too. So in solo prospective you keep trellis and shields up all the time. When you get hit by massive burst damage you just harness > bar swap> healing ward> trellis refresh. You will get huge shield, nice healing and every time your shield get hit you take other heals. If you have a dot on you and you can los you get a ton of mag and health back, if you can't, you will buy time to go again offensive and crush 1/more enemies or stay defensive till resto ulti for full recover and fight back.

    I asked which is more healing: the Trellis refresh or proccing Minor Lifesteal every second for the duration of the ability.
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  • C0ndor
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Trellis is more akin to a strong HoT with Healing Ward as your "Oh No!" heal. Also great against LA or DoTs as I'll probably net you health

    I get that. Would the burst heal from Trellis or Minor Lifesteal from Leeching net more healing averaged over the duration of the spell? I don't know the numbers on them.

    Edit: asking from a solo perspective. Lifesteal would clearly benefit a group more.

    Not sure I get the point. Trellis and vines heal you every time you get hit (cd 1 sec) by 2/3k (don't remember the numbers atm, and it works when your shield is hitten too. So in solo prospective you keep trellis and shields up all the time. When you get hit by massive burst damage you just harness > bar swap> healing ward> trellis refresh. You will get huge shield, nice healing and every time your shield get hit you take other heals. If you have a dot on you and you can los you get a ton of mag and health back, if you can't, you will buy time to go again offensive and crush 1/more enemies or stay defensive till resto ulti for full recover and fight back.

    I asked which is more healing: the Trellis refresh or proccing Minor Lifesteal every second for the duration of the ability.

    I think a full life steal heal you more on flat number but just if you get all the ticks. Trellis final heal can crit and in that case will heal a lot more than full cycle of life steal.
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    C0ndor wrote: »
    C0ndor wrote: »
    Have you tried living trellis instead of leeching vines? The burst heal is nice and will apply on refresh cast, is really nice in outnumbered situations

    My question is why use that over healing ward as your spam heal?

    Trellis is more akin to a strong HoT with Healing Ward as your "Oh No!" heal. Also great against LA or DoTs as I'll probably net you health

    I get that. Would the burst heal from Trellis or Minor Lifesteal from Leeching net more healing averaged over the duration of the spell? I don't know the numbers on them.

    Edit: asking from a solo perspective. Lifesteal would clearly benefit a group more.

    Not sure I get the point. Trellis and vines heal you every time you get hit (cd 1 sec) by 2/3k (don't remember the numbers atm, and it works when your shield is hitten too. So in solo prospective you keep trellis and shields up all the time. When you get hit by massive burst damage you just harness > bar swap> healing ward> trellis refresh. You will get huge shield, nice healing and every time your shield get hit you take other heals. If you have a dot on you and you can los you get a ton of mag and health back, if you can't, you will buy time to go again offensive and crush 1/more enemies or stay defensive till resto ulti for full recover and fight back.

    I asked which is more healing: the Trellis refresh or proccing Minor Lifesteal every second for the duration of the ability.

    In PvP it's 300 health per tick of life steal, if you manage all ticks that's approximately 3k health.

    Trellis' tooltip for me is approximately 5k (a little higher iirc) so they'll be close, the difference is Trellis can be used at command, doesn't require to hit and is more defensive,

    PvE I would say leaching is better (but I may not use it in PvE)
    Edited by Waffennacht on June 26, 2017 6:28PM
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