Are Potions Too Necessary for PVP?

GrumpyDuckling

PVP survival is night and day depending on potion availability. Potions are large contributors to rubber-band healing (when a player goes from execute range to 100% health almost instantly), and "unkillable" builds where players have increased immovability duration and great sustain.

I won't dare go into PVP without potions anymore because they're too essential for survival against good players who use them. To me, ignoring potions would be like going into battle without wearing armor - you're just asking for death. This has made me wonder if potions are perhaps a little too necessary in PVP.

Potenza

Its a gold sink - you end up using tons of pots and PvP'ers don't like to gather mats, so you have to buy the pots or the mats to make them.

casparian

PvP'ers don't like to gather mats

Speak for yourself!

Potenza

casparian wrote: »

PvP'ers don't like to gather mats

Speak for yourself!

Yes your right - maybe some don't mind - but it just takes so much time to gather the mats - rather hang myself than having to do that chore.

Publius_Scipio

I hardly ever use them.

Lieblingsjunge

Potions are a necessity for dungeons too. And especially vTrials. Don't get why PvP should be any different.

Alpheu5

It'd be funny to see how combat would play out if every time a player drank a potion, their characters performed an uncancelable /drink3.

umagon

I play a stamina tankblade potions are the only on demand burst healing I have other than soul siphon. Killers blade/mark target are not on demand and have little use for a tank in regards of healing. And wrobel seems to think all the other classes should have an on demand burst heal except for nightblades. I need all the potions I can get because that is the only option given to me by wrobel.

Morbash

I normally only use trash pots that restore my primary resource. I have used crafted pots before, and while they're great to have, I feel they're a waste for my playstyle. Whenever I die, I'm usually in a situation where it wouldn't have mattered either way.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Yes and no. You can pvp using trash drop potions. But some crafted potions, particularly immovable and detect pots are very handy to have on hand. I have all three on my quickslot wheel. I use trash pots, then swap to immovable if I'm in a slightly outnumbered fight. 1v2, 2v3, etc.

Tonturri

All potions but Immovable are fine, imo. There's - supposedly - great importance placed on CCing your opponent and 'draining their stamina' as a means of winning/providing time to burst, yet there's a potion that totally nullifies that for...what, more than three times longer than the normal duration of CC immunity?

All the others I feel are fine - strong, while not being so strong that they almost totally negate an important part of fighting someone and still having a pro/cons of one potion type vs another.

DEATHquidox

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

PVP survival is night and day depending on potion availability. Potions are large contributors to rubber-band healing (when a player goes from execute range to 100% health almost instantly), and "unkillable" builds where players have increased immovability duration and great sustain.

I won't dare go into PVP without potions anymore because they're too essential for survival against good players who use them. To me, ignoring potions would be like going into battle without wearing armor - you're just asking for death. This has made me wonder if potions are perhaps a little too necessary in PVP.

It really just depends on ur build and ur skill alone, with my msorc I don't really use pots but on my nb I do, it really just depends on the player. I use immovable pots more than anything because I solo pvp mostly and fighting 2+ people being cc'ed every second and with the new cc bug there's just no point in not using something that saves ur life and so you don't have to run across the map again for 5 mins just to kill a few people

Id like to see this games balance fixed but sadly I don't see it happening... ever

GrumpyDuckling

I wonder how a potion-less PVP would play if beta tested. My initial guess is that players would have to play a lot smarter and that it would be even more about numbers (more players on your team than the other team) than it is now - not saying that's necessarily good or more fun, but I'd be curious to test it.

NBrookus

End game PvE is heavily dependent on potions, too. It's a big part of the overall combat system. Argonians and nightblades even have passives about potions and there are armor sets affected by potions.

Potions are a part of resource management and build strategy. Leaving potions out would be like not bothering with a mundus or weapon enchants.

Etaniel

Since the moment I discovered potions 2 and a half year ago, I haven't even tried playing without them, strong as they are.

FlyLionel

Immovable pots as a mSorc or using them against a talons spam/fossalize DK...Yup

Telel

This one thinks that if you replaced every use of the word potions with the words pants the arguments would remain much the same.

However it would be far more amusing, and likely attract the attention of more Nords.

Kas

FlyLionel wrote: »

Immovable pots as a mSorc or using them against a talons spam/fossalize DK...Yup

forums in a nutshell...

on topic: yeah, pots are required.

leepalmer95

If your solo/small group then yeah good pots are a must.

Some builds just don't work without tri pots etc...


But if your just gonna zerg then you dont even need pots just spam whatever your spamming and heavy attack from the back of the zerg when your out.

Vapirko

These days I just use either the alliance health pots that give cc immunity or regular stam pots. I'm not gonna be 1vXing enough people that it would matter anyway. Besides those little cheap alliance pots give you about the same length cc immunity.

Telel

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

PVP survival is night and day depending on Pants availability. Pants are large contributors to rubber-band healing (when a player goes from execute range to 100% health almost instantly), and "unkillable" builds where players have increased immovability duration and great sustain.

I won't dare go into PVP without Pants anymore because they're too essential for survival against good players who use them. To me, ignoring Pants would be like going into battle without wearing weapons - you're just asking for death. This has made me wonder ifPants are perhaps a little too necessary in PVP.

This one was right. It does pretty much remain the same argument while becoming far far more amusing.

Also this one is a night blade using clever alchemist instead of viper/widowmaker/etc so their stance on the use of Pants in PVP should be obvious.

Joy_Division

Is this a nerf potions thread? Leave it to disgruntled people dying in cyrodiil to complain that anything is too strong or necessary.

DeadlyRecluse

Sure, potions are very powerful...

Just like food buffs and armor enchantments.

This isn't a stat-equalized PvP--character work and account work matter. Potions open a up a wealth of options (like CC management on magicka builds, invisibility on nonNBs, Detection, etc.) that are (imo) pretty important.

I DO think that the AP potions need a few more options (a basic detect pot, for instance) They've added some of the more interesting potions to droplists in other areas (the dropped escapist/stealth potion is a good example), so that helps.

GrumpyDuckling

Joy_Division wrote: »

Is this a nerf potions thread? Leave it to disgruntled people dying in cyrodiil to complain that anything is too strong or necessary.

Did you read the first post? I use potions.

geonsocal

it's been mentioned a bunch of times already - but, the siege merchants pots aren't the terrible...

not sure how much help it would be (if you're getting poisoned by multiple sources) but, it would be nice if there was a purge/cleanse potion available...

mcurley

Crutches.

I use the ones you can buy with AP that only give health, stam, or mag and the respective major regen buff and I do just fine.

Joy_Division

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Is this a nerf potions thread? Leave it to disgruntled people dying in cyrodiil to complain that anything is too strong or necessary.

Did you read the first post? I use potions.

Yes I did. By insinuating they are a little too necessary, that's implying they should be nerfed. Hence, my question as an attempt for clarification.

mvffins

Don't use them in every fight, but once and awhile I do. I probably use them more often in the non-cp campaigns and when soloing.

leepalmer95

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Sure, potions are very powerful...

Just like food buffs and armor enchantments.

This isn't a stat-equalized PvP--character work and account work matter. Potions open a up a wealth of options (like CC management on magicka builds, invisibility on nonNBs, Detection, etc.) that are (imo) pretty important.

I DO think that the AP potions need a few more options (a basic detect pot, for instance) They've added some of the more interesting potions to droplists in other areas (the dropped escapist/stealth potion is a good example), so that helps.

Gonna have to stop you right there, cloak has enough counter can't be having full pug zergs with easy access to pots that make it useless.

AP pots are only mean't to be basic. 'Unique' pots will have to be made, its a gold sink.

I big ass gold sink with the amount of tri pots i've gone through this last week.

zyk

I think this is like asking if armor or weapons are too necessary. In a practical sense, a potion is a kind of ability with a long refresh timer. I do not think the fact they can be impactful is a flaw. I think an expensive potion is analogous to an expensive weapon.

IMO, potions are better implemented, balanced and more accessible than armor, weapon and jewellery sets. Not once have I thought I lost a fight because of an OP potion.

dodgehopper_ESO

I like alchemy and provisioning - they are the only worthwhile crafting skills in the game. Please don't push an agenda that makes those crafts worthless too. Almost every MMO pvp game I have played makes expendables vital in pvp. Victory has a cost.