Best Set For MAG Warden?

esp1992

Is there any set that works best for a Mag Warden?
Using Frost an Restore Staff.

Draqone

What role do you want to perform using a frost and resto staff? Because for solo, anything goes.

For group content a Frost + resto is a very suboptimal combination that accomplishes nothing and is probably detrimental to your group.

Vizier

Draqone wrote: »

What role do you want to perform using a frost and resto staff? Because for solo, anything goes.

For group content a Frost + resto is a very suboptimal combination that accomplishes nothing and is probably detrimental to your group.

@Draqone Who cares. If he wants to run those that's his business. Dude is asking for advice. Not criticism. You don't have to be a min / max to contribute to a group and it is certainly not "Detrimental" to do so.

@esp1992 Frost staff is alright, but it's not going to get you the most damage. It's pretty good for PVE crowd control and aoe though.

Not sure anyone has come up with what "the best" must have sets are for the Warden yet. I think Necropotence is a pretty safe acquisition. The warden benefits greatly from that with the netch.... but

It might help people respond to you if you let them know what type of game play you want/like. PVE / PvP etc. How do you hope to play your Warden?

wibbz

Warmaiden and Necropotence with one monster shoulder or helm if u dont have maelstrom wepons i think is an ok setup if u want to do some dmg.

Stannum

esp1992 wrote: »

Is there any set that works best for a Mag Warden?
Using Frost an Restore Staff.

Frost and resto? very unusual combo.
What role are you going to play with that?
The only variant i guess is healer/debuffer then I think you need SPC on main resto, may be Lich (on off ice through weapon swap) and Iceheart monster. That should be good.

esp1992

Vizier wrote: »

Draqone wrote: »

What role do you want to perform using a frost and resto staff? Because for solo, anything goes.

For group content a Frost + resto is a very suboptimal combination that accomplishes nothing and is probably detrimental to your group.

@Draqone Who cares. If he wants to run those that's his business. Dude is asking for advice. Not criticism. You don't have to be a min / max to contribute to a group and it is certainly not "Detrimental" to do so.

@esp1992 Frost staff is alright, but it's not going to get you the most damage. It's pretty good for PVE crowd control and aoe though.

Not sure anyone has come up with what "the best" must have sets are for the Warden yet. I think Necropotence is a pretty safe acquisition. The warden benefits greatly from that with the netch.... but

It might help people respond to you if you let them know what type of game play you want/like. PVE / PvP etc. How do you hope to play your Warden?

Right now... I have Frost Abilities and Green Magic With Bug Swarm and Bear Companion.

Thanks for defending me!

Waffennacht

I couldn't help myself, I had to go back to heavy.

But (despite the non believers lol) I am running x5 shackle breaker and (soon) x5 Winterborn with a x1 mag regen monster piece

Frost and Fire staff

Front bar: Bird O Prey, Shalk, Fetcher, Birds, and Shimmer destro ult (mainly for Passives)
Back bar: Frost Talons, WoE, Dampen, Vines, and Betty Northern Storm

Not bad stats really, and nice amount of survivability.

I wanna fit in some how, a Oh No heal and Ice Fortress.

Shackle is in heavy

Other armor choices are riposte, impregnable, and Amberplasm. But I don't have those and/or trying heavy atm

code65536

Vizier wrote: »

@Draqone Who cares. If he wants to run those that's his business. Dude is asking for advice. Not criticism. You don't have to be a min / max to contribute to a group and it is certainly not "Detrimental" to do so.

He did say that for solo, he could run anything.

For groups, you have to be considerate of other people. The problem with frost staves isn't so much that their damage isn't optimal. It's that the devs turned them into tanking weapons. And yes, it can most certainly be detrimental to the group when he inadvertently steals taunt from the tank.

bebynnag

rather than just tell you frost staves are bad

im going to tell you why frost staves are sub optimal for DD and why they are detrimental in a group setting***
fire staves increase single target damage
lightning staves increase aoe damage
frost staves allow you to block attacks using magic & taunt the enemy

these are activated using the ancient knowledge passives

what this means is that when the passives are active you will deal more damage using a fire or lightning staff than you would using a frost staff, i am not saying you have to use the other options over frost i am simply stating the fact that you would deal more damage using the other options

i do agree that frost staves on a dd are detrimental in a PVE group setting IF the ancient knowledge passive has been activated. dragging taunt off the tank is NEVER a good thing.

if you want to play a pure damage dealer DO NOT put points into ancient knowledge passive
if you want to play a healer DO NOT put points into ancient knowledge passive
if you want to play a tank DO put points into ancient knowledge passive

edt forgot about PvP - DO put points into ancient knowledge passive

esp1992

puffytheslayer wrote: »

rather than just tell you frost staves are bad

im going to tell you why frost staves are sub optimal for DD and why they are detrimental in a group setting***
fire staves increase single target damage
lightning staves increase aoe damage
frost staves allow you to block attacks using magic & taunt the enemy

these are activated using the ancient knowledge passives

what this means is that when the passives are active you will deal more damage using a fire or lightning staff than you would using a frost staff, i am not saying you have to use the other options over frost i am simply stating the fact that you would deal more damage using the other options

i do agree that frost staves on a dd are detrimental in a PVE group setting IF the ancient knowledge passive has been activated. dragging taunt off the tank is NEVER a good thing.

if you want to play a pure damage dealer DO NOT put points into ancient knowledge passive
if you want to play a healer DO NOT put points into ancient knowledge passive
if you want to play a tank DO put points into ancient knowledge passive

edt forgot about PvP - DO put points into ancient knowledge passive

Already avoiding it... thanks for reminding me.

s7732425ub17_ESO

If you are using Frost and Resto staff, we are probably talking about a no CP, lower than level 50 character or a PVP character. You really, really, really don't want to use Frost staff for PVE after CP 160.

Best set is Necropotence in PVE. For PVP, it's whatever- Magnus, Seducer, Amberplasm, etc.

Dakmor_Kavu

Sounds like you're aiming for DPS work, but if you're looking to run any but as a healer you can't go wrong with spell power cure, and then either:
work cult - magika heavy group
Twilight remedy - great heals if you use seeds since the synergy is ALWAYS available and folks don't need to fight over it
Mending - good group benefits

That's just from my healing perspective. Either way good luck with the warden!

Vizier

code65536 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

@Draqone Who cares. If he wants to run those that's his business. Dude is asking for advice. Not criticism. You don't have to be a min / max to contribute to a group and it is certainly not "Detrimental" to do so.

He did say that for solo, he could run anything.

For groups, you have to be considerate of other people. The problem with frost staves isn't so much that their damage isn't optimal. It's that the devs turned them into tanking weapons. And yes, it can most certainly be detrimental to the group when he inadvertently steals taunt from the tank.

Sorry but IMO nobody is required to Min/Max or BIS their toon. Even for other groups. May as well say one should be X race for class Y for optimal group play. It's just not necessary and anyone that is going to get stuffy over a few dps points isn't worth the hassle IMO.

The point about frost staffs and aggro is well taken though. Other than details like that....shrug.

code65536

Vizier wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

@Draqone Who cares. If he wants to run those that's his business. Dude is asking for advice. Not criticism. You don't have to be a min / max to contribute to a group and it is certainly not "Detrimental" to do so.

He did say that for solo, he could run anything.

For groups, you have to be considerate of other people. The problem with frost staves isn't so much that their damage isn't optimal. It's that the devs turned them into tanking weapons. And yes, it can most certainly be detrimental to the group when he inadvertently steals taunt from the tank.

Sorry but IMO nobody is required to Min/Max or BIS their toon. Even for other groups. May as well say one should be X race for class Y for optimal group play. It's just not necessary and anyone that is going to get stuffy over a few dps points isn't worth the hassle IMO.

The point about frost staffs and aggro is well taken though. Other than details like that....shrug.

Um, you did read my post, right? "The problem with frost staves isn't so much that their damage isn't optimal." The biggest problem is with the functional properties of the staff, not the damage of the staff. If he avoids the passive that makes it taunt and stops his mag regen when blocking, then he'll be fine. Not optimal, but you don't need optimal for 99% of the content in this game.

But I've been in PUGs where people ice-taunt things away from the tank and then run around like a headless chicken. It was hilarious the first couple of times. But it gets old pretty quick.

Stannum

puffytheslayer wrote: »

if you want to play a pure damage dealer DO NOT put points into ancient knowledge passive
if you want to play a healer DO NOT put points into ancient knowledge passive
if you want to play a tank DO put points into ancient knowledge passive

ALLWAYS put points into ancient knowlege passive
All said above is about Tri Focus passive.

And few words more non-tank frost staff use. As i said above the only ideal of frost\resto combo being usefull i see is healer\debuffer. For keeping minor maim debuff on mobs.End even in that case it's ok for defencive tactic but not offencive (and eso is usually about to kill quick)

If you want to go DD lightning\fire will be anyway better even for warden and even with cold dmg sets buffs. As they gives flat dmg bonus for AoE/singl dmg and lightning gives great debaff combo with concussion effect. E.G. deep fissure-lightning blockade-winter revenge combo is much more stronger then deep fissure-frost blockade-winter revenge combo.

old_mufasa

Necropotence... this set is perfect for Wardens because the Betty Netch counts as a pet, it cant be targeted so you get the +magic from Necro all the time as you should have the betty up 100% of the time and wont ever lose it to aoe damage.

After getting the above 5 set you need to pick if you want a monster set or not.. if not then you can go for another 5 set and that leaves a lot of options you can run war maiden, lich, jules.. there are a lot of other 5 sets that can help with magic regen or more damage out put.

If you go with a monster helm set then you can't run two sets unless dual wielding and that's not recommended. So then you just need to find a set that gives you the best 4 set bonus.. martial knowledge is good for spell damage, lich for magic recovery.. there are a lot of options if you're just looking for a 4 set

As far as weapons unless your mage tanking or maybe pvping Frost is not really good to use.. Lighting or fire + resto would be more effective or lighting / fire if your not going to run resto.