Why is There No Option To Kill Sun-in-Shadow?

Tecorsuh

I had some issues with the quest where I wish I had more options. Just felt like more than once there should have been more options, rather than blindly following everything that Sun-In-Shadow thought was best.

During the quest Objections and Obstacles, I wish there was a way to suck up and kiss ass to Ralasa Delvi instead of trying to go over her head. I knew that going to Magister Gothren would be a bad idea, because the mouth almost always shares the views of the Magister. Also, nothing is going to *** a Magister off more than paying them an uninvited house visit.
It was made clear that they don't like visitors, that is why they live in a guarded tower away from the city.

Also during that quest, there is no way to save the escaped slaves, making that whole adventure pointless. I know that everything can't always go my way, but I almost quit the quest at that point. It was very upsetting that I led the snobby captain and his crew to the slaves. It was made clear that the guard captain wasn't competent enough to find them on his own. he eavesdropped on my conversation with Arith, then followed me to the slaves. I almost wish I could have killed them all and doomed Sun-In-Shadow forever if it meant freeing those slaves

When you kill Ralasa Delvi, I wish you could shift the blame to Arith when you talk to Magister Gothren. Since it technically was his idea, and not Sun-In-Shadow. I wouldn't have minded if it were a persuasion dialog option. Something Like:

Arith hired me to kill Ralasa to further his rank and his payment was a favor to Sun-In-Shadow. [Persuasion]

And Gothren wouldn't believe me, of course. Just an option like that would have made the exchange with Gathren a little more palatable

At the end of the quest, I wish there was an option to convince Sun-In-Shadow to leave with Eoki, like she promised him she would. Just something at the end to redeem her. I don't care that I wouldn't ever have to see her or talk to her again.

Tan9oSuccka

I was asking a different question:

Why can't I turn my Nord Warrior loose and kill all the Slavers?

The caged cats and lizards make me very sad.

Personofsecrets

Tecorsuh wrote: »

I had some issues with the quest where I wish I had more options. Just felt like more than once there should have been more options, rather than blindly following everything that Sun-In-Shadow thought was best.

During the quest Objections and Obstacles, I wish there was a way to suck up and kiss ass to Ralasa Delvi instead of trying to go over her head. I knew that going to Magister Gothren would be a bad idea, because the mouth almost always shares the views of the Magister. Also, nothing is going to *** a Magister off more than paying them an uninvited house visit.
It was made clear that they don't like visitors, that is why they live in a guarded tower away from the city.

Also during that quest, there is no way to save the escaped slaves, making that whole adventure pointless. I know that everything can't always go my way, but I almost quit the quest at that point. It was very upsetting that I led the snobby captain and his crew to the slaves. It was made clear that the guard captain wasn't competent enough to find them on his own. he eavesdropped on my conversation with Arith, then followed me to the slaves. I almost wish I could have killed them all and doomed Sun-In-Shadow forever if it meant freeing those slaves

When you kill Ralasa Delvi, I wish you could shift the blame to Arith when you talk to Magister Gothren. Since it technically was his idea, and not Sun-In-Shadow. I wouldn't have minded if it were a persuasion dialog option. Something Like:

Arith hired me to kill Ralasa to further his rank and his payment was a favor to Sun-In-Shadow. [Persuasion]

And Gothren wouldn't believe me, of course. Just an option like that would have made the exchange with Gathren a little more palatable

At the end of the quest, I wish there was an option to convince Sun-In-Shadow to leave with Eoki, like she promised him she would. Just something at the end to redeem her. I don't care that I wouldn't ever have to see her or talk to her again.

Those are some really good ideas. Thank you for sharing.

Nifty2g

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@Nifty2g , what did you think about this quest line?

@Personofsecrets Questing in this game is pretty dull

OutLaw_Nynx

Ugh. One quest from Vvardenfell I literally just spammed x and didn't read or listen. Was way too long for my liking..

TonyRockaroni

I guess I'm in the minority when I say that I liked Sun-in-Shadow. I liked her character, and I didn't hate her. I felt sympathy/pity for her.

My only issues were that there was no option to free the slaves in those cages in Sadrith Mora, and like Tecorsuh said about no option for Sun-in-Shadow to leave with Eoki. That was what I was hoping would be the end of the questline.

Banana

Yep. Damn dirty argonians

Mazbt

One of the better quest characters in the game imo in terms of personality but imo certainly not a "nice person"

rhapsodious

I liked her as a character but I think she ended up falling into the hole of her upbringing as a person. I thought she was well-written, though, and yeah, the parallels of someone born into slavery vs. forced into it were pretty interesting.

That choice at the end, though...

REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Force Eoki to stay against his will? Hello? Abusive relationship?? Who in their right mind and not deliberately RPing it that way picks this option?!

starkerealm

rhapsodious wrote: »

I liked her as a character but I think she ended up falling into the hole of her upbringing as a person. I thought she was well-written, though, and yeah, the parallels of someone born into slavery vs. forced into it were pretty interesting.

That choice at the end, though...

REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Force Eoki to stay against his will? Hello? Abusive relationship?? Who in their right mind and not deliberately RPing it that way picks this option?!

Players mashing E, who then get a horrific theater scene.

Mix

I didn't want to kill her, but I did want her to be forced to leave with Eoki. She isn't different in her attitude towards slaves than the Telvanni really and she needs her eyes opened (by the Hist imho).

kargen27

There were a few NPCs pertinent to quest lines I wanted to beat with a stick until all the snarky left them. Saying something like "not bad for an outlander" should get them a whomp in the gullet with my staff.

SanTii.92

How about some spoiler tag?

Pallmor

Yeah, she definitely deserves a writ with her name on it.

Pallmor

Mistress Dratha in Vos is another character who I wouldn't mind giving some Brotherhood/Morag Tong justice.

Pausekey

Banana wrote: »

Yep. Damn dirty argonians

My thoughts exactly. Having her boss my Dunmer around annoyed me, especially after having enjoyed the Telvanni questline in original Morrowind. I make it a point to kill any Argonians I see walking around, and ESO should have an option to turn her into the guards the minute she tries to recruit you to help.

TonyRockaroni

Pausekey wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Yep. Damn dirty argonians

My thoughts exactly. Having her boss my Dunmer around annoyed me, especially after having enjoyed the Telvanni questline in original Morrowind. I make it a point to kill any Argonians I see walking around, and ESO should have an option to turn her into the guards the minute she tries to recruit you to help.

Interesting since, as someone who always plays an Argonian, that's exactly how I feel every time I see a member of House Telvanni. Ah well! Two eras later, we control the southern half of Morrowind. And House Telvanni?...well...you know. >; )

Personofsecrets

Pausekey wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Yep. Damn dirty argonians

My thoughts exactly. Having her boss my Dunmer around annoyed me, especially after having enjoyed the Telvanni questline in original Morrowind. I make it a point to kill any Argonians I see walking around, and ESO should have an option to turn her into the guards the minute she tries to recruit you to help.

This is what was missing.

I wonder if not having such an option says something about the story crafters.

Personofsecrets

Was there really much at all that wasn't goody two shoes in Morrowind?

Koensol

Hippie4927 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Sun-in-Shadow is the embodiment of all of the awful nihilists in the world.

Maybe that is why I don't like the character at such a visceral level.

Yeah, she's a fantastically written character. I despise her, but the writing really works.

ZOS has done a really fantastic job with creating some very well written characters.

Also, if it helps to cleanse your pallet, I suggest running the Gnisis questline.

Yes, she is a well-written character but I was bothered by being forced to help her. At one point, I almost walked away from the quest but, being a completionist caused me to go back and finish it.

I also hated how my character happily threw himself at her knees and ran these chores for her. Like seriously, in one line you tell her she is going down the wrong path and hings might backfire, and in the next line you say "Ok, what do you need me to do". Ugh... this questline took me out of the game like no other questline in ESO. I have got to give ZOS credit for such a 'not likable' character such as Sun-In-Shadow. That melodramatic voice of hers made me go mad at one point. She's sort of comparable to Veya in that she is a naive, overly dramatic and reckless youngster. Which I have to babysit... Nice ZOS. Really nice.

STEVIL

@Tecorsuh
@TonyRockaroni

Agree with both your posts.

More options would have made it even better.

i liked Sunni but still would have liked more options to influence the path.

What i felt was missing thru this quest and some others was... working your own angle. let me use either or both, sell them out for my own ends and advancement.

Throughout Morrow, i was looking for two things that i did not really get a sense of:
1 - More White Knighting the slaves - AS CRIMINALS give us the ability to unlock slaves all over the place, treat it like INJUSTICE with guards and bounties - and have acheeves for how many we do. let "freeing slaves" in those areas be like stealing and let INJUSTICE get a play.

2 - More Cuthroat options in quests. Ok so like not necessarily to the extent of bringing the hammer down but let many of the side quests be won by selling out one for another but being able to choose which.

I liked most of the quests and the play was fun but when you throw me into a world of cutthroat politics and such, let me cut throats too.

Knootewoot

Mix wrote: »

I didn't want to kill her, but I did want her to be forced to leave with Eoki. She isn't different in her attitude towards slaves than the Telvanni really and she needs her eyes opened (by the Hist imho).

I told her about Eoki's plans because I hoped she would be caught in a crossfire of a fight with slaves and masters. I hoped she would die and Eoki would escape. Sadly it did not happen.

Maybe I should not have told her about the plans. What happens if you don't?

Can we please make her a killable NPC AFTER the quest. Just place her in her house and I will do the dirty deed. No writ required.

Edit: please fire the writer of this quest. It was the most annoying, toe curling, nail biting, eye poking, wrist slashing quest I have ever witnessed in a game. I even walked away from it when she had another chore for me. Took me some days to pick it up again.

Izaki

The worst part about it? Its that if you want the personality you absolutely have to do the quests and Sun-In-Shadow is such a b*** that these quests aren't very enjoyable. And its weird having your Dunmer Sorc in the Telvanni outfit getting told what to do by an argonian chick with some screwed up plans.

HEXENWOLF

IMHO, this is the most painful quest line I have completed in any MMO. There is so much politicking that I felt I was embroiled in "fetch" Game of Thrones (Argonian Edition). Seriously, this quest line has players running all over Morrowind just to pick up a singular object. And before you know it, you're someone else's lackey and then someone else's lackey after that. And they all want you to fetch something. If anything, this quest taught me that even Argonians don't suffer as badly as my poor character does. I'm surprised Sun-in-Shadow didn't ask me to lick her boot. And while I'm no role-player, the extent to which I was forced to assist this Argonian as a Dark Elf made my inner nerd rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Magdalina

starkerealm wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

I liked her as a character but I think she ended up falling into the hole of her upbringing as a person. I thought she was well-written, though, and yeah, the parallels of someone born into slavery vs. forced into it were pretty interesting.

That choice at the end, though...

REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Force Eoki to stay against his will? Hello? Abusive relationship?? Who in their right mind and not deliberately RPing it that way picks this option?!

Players mashing E, who then get a horrific theater scene.

Curious - has anyone here chosen that? What happens then?

Loralai_907

All I know is she got on my very last nerve. Every time the quests for her continued I was like jc I have to continue to run around for this chic, please for the love of all that is right and good in this world, let it end. I hope her fancy new house burns down. There should have been an option to slap the crap out of her with that last question of hers. Keep in mind, everything I said should be much more colorful than the forums allow.

LadyNalcarya

@Magdalina wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

I liked her as a character but I think she ended up falling into the hole of her upbringing as a person. I thought she was well-written, though, and yeah, the parallels of someone born into slavery vs. forced into it were pretty interesting.

That choice at the end, though...

REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Force Eoki to stay against his will? Hello? Abusive relationship?? Who in their right mind and not deliberately RPing it that way picks this option?!

Players mashing E, who then get a horrific theater scene.

Curious - has anyone here chosen that? What happens then?

Theres a bit of extra dialogues (yes, I did the questline twice to see what happens XD)
Spoilers ahead, obviously:

(if you ask her about Eoki)


Poor Eoki. I feel bad for doing this >.<

Hippie4927

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

@Magdalina wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

I liked her as a character but I think she ended up falling into the hole of her upbringing as a person. I thought she was well-written, though, and yeah, the parallels of someone born into slavery vs. forced into it were pretty interesting.

That choice at the end, though...

REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Force Eoki to stay against his will? Hello? Abusive relationship?? Who in their right mind and not deliberately RPing it that way picks this option?!

Players mashing E, who then get a horrific theater scene.

Curious - has anyone here chosen that? What happens then?

Theres a bit of extra dialogues (yes, I did the questline twice to see what happens XD)
Spoilers ahead, obviously:

(if you ask her about Eoki)


Poor Eoki. I feel bad for doing this >.<

I'm so glad you posted that! I wanted to know what would happen if I made that choice but I didn't want to actually make that choice. Now I know and I will never make that choice! Thanks for doing the 'dirty work'.

AlienSlof

Pallmor wrote: »

Mistress Dratha in Vos is another character who I wouldn't mind giving some Brotherhood/Morag Tong justice.

You wouldn't be able to as Dratha appears in TESIII Morrowind, 800+ years on after ESO! That would really cause a major time paradox thingywhatsit!

WuffyCerulei

I'd rather she live with her mistakes and understand that even though she has power, she can't just use it to get whatever she wants.