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Unbreakable Fear
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Lyrander✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .
Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.
I play this game almost every day and I never heard of this.
People may think ZoS does not care about PvP because they don't fix stuff, but I bet most of the cases players just assume that devs just automatically know everything
be sure mate: unbreakable fear has been around a long time and ZOS knows.
Many Player contacted the support for this bug.
Up to date - nothing changed and its still just a "rumor" lol0 -
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not making excuses for ZoS, all I am saying is I PvP 5 times a week and I didn't and don't know half of the bugs/exploits/creative mechanics that exist in cyrodiil.
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
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✭^ why did you even post in the first place then? for the sake of pointing out that you didn't hear of this obviously confirmed and abused bug?Edited by Subversus on June 11, 2017 9:16PM1 -
Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.7
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✭Been around since ever. That bug got me killed constantly back in 1.7 when 80% of the PvP population played nightblade.0 -
BraidasNM✭✭✭✭any response/acknowledgement plix @ZOS_GinaBrunoEdited by BraidasNM on June 12, 2017 4:41AMYoutube
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✭Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out2 -
Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.Edited by Ilpagliaccio on June 12, 2017 2:15PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭^ why did you even post in the first place then? for the sake of pointing out that you didn't hear of this obviously confirmed and abused bug?
Just to point out what you and other people think is obviously confirmed may not be. And that sutff might get fixed faster if people put as much effort in providing specifics when reporting bugs as they currently do in berating Gina, Brian, of whichever dev comes on asking for more information about the bug.
Can you provide a post from ZoS confirming this exploit and warning its players not to abuse it?
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
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✭Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.
I have done my own testing that's why i know you can't bug it out purposely. Not to mention i have pretty much only played magblade for the last 2 years. No form of animation canceling makes fear unbreakable. All the CCs in the game are just as buggy as fear.1 -
Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.
I have done my own testing that's why i know you can't bug it out purposely. Not to mention i have pretty much only played magblade for the last 2 years. No form of animation canceling makes fear unbreakable. All the CCs in the game are just as buggy as fear.
You've played a magblade for 2 years and don't know how to cause unbreakable fear at-will? Sounds like a personal problem to me tbh1 -
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✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.
I have done my own testing that's why i know you can't bug it out purposely. Not to mention i have pretty much only played magblade for the last 2 years. No form of animation canceling makes fear unbreakable. All the CCs in the game are just as buggy as fear.
I'm sorry, none of the CC's in this game are as buggy as fear. I've never seen crystal frags or destructive reach bug out like this, ever.
I don't believe it can be done on purpose, but if you use it enough times it will eventually do so. And every nightblade is happy to kill you when it does.
It's not your fault, ZOS has known about it forever.Edited by Minalan on June 12, 2017 3:09PM2 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.
I have done my own testing that's why i know you can't bug it out purposely. Not to mention i have pretty much only played magblade for the last 2 years. No form of animation canceling makes fear unbreakable. All the CCs in the game are just as buggy as fear.
I'm sorry, none of the CC's in this game are as buggy as fear. I've never seen crystal frags or destructive reach bug out like this, ever.
I don't believe it can be done on purpose, but if you use it enough times it will eventually do so. And every nightblade is happy to kill you when it does.
It's not your fault, ZOS has known about it forever.
I got hit by a crystal frag yesterday and my character just laid on the ground like a fish while the sorc kept casting crushing shock until i died. The only reason people think fear is more buggy because of the 5 second duration. It's easier to notice when you get stuck in a 5 second animation. The duration of fear is so long that when it bugs out it means you die that's why it's so much more noticeable. In actuality though all the CCs are just as bad. I've also knocked people back multiple times in a row with destructive reach. Javelin has this problem as well.2 -
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✭Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.
I have done my own testing that's why i know you can't bug it out purposely. Not to mention i have pretty much only played magblade for the last 2 years. No form of animation canceling makes fear unbreakable. All the CCs in the game are just as buggy as fear.
You've played a magblade for 2 years and don't know how to cause unbreakable fear at-will? Sounds like a personal problem to me tbh
How much experience do you have playing nightblade. It doesn't sound like you have much at all1 -
Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Considering Wheeler and Lambert have PvErs/PvPers who personally email them with their grievances on a consistent basis,i.e., complain to them until the Devs cave and change the game to cater to said individuals, then the whole "but they cant possibly know" argument is laughable. Alacrity had Dev's ears for years(before most quit) and would tell them about exploits well before they'd hit forums. Devs are just some of the worst in the industry, no argument can be made in their defense.
That's because it's not a exploit is just laggy CCs. You can't purposely make fear bug out
Is it like the famous "grey area" that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom talked about on forums? By definition, any ability that isn't functioning(bugged/glitched) being used in a way that's unintended to provide an advantage is an exploit. That's the industry definition of an exploit, and it fits what an unbreakable fear is exactly. Also, if you think you can't bug out fear at-will to be unbreakable, you should probably talk to others or do your own testing. It is, in fact,very exploitable.
I have done my own testing that's why i know you can't bug it out purposely. Not to mention i have pretty much only played magblade for the last 2 years. No form of animation canceling makes fear unbreakable. All the CCs in the game are just as buggy as fear.
You've played a magblade for 2 years and don't know how to cause unbreakable fear at-will? Sounds like a personal problem to me tbh
How much experience do you have playing nightblade. It doesn't sound like you have much at all
Are you one of the nightblades that thought fear being spammable,i.e., multiple forces of break free repeatedly until dead, wasn't an exploit? Completely an aside here, but it seems you're that type of individual--inquiring minds and all that jazz.1 -
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✭Hey I should make a post calling out all the times fear doesn't actually fear anyone. I can't tell you how many times I'm on top of someone, who is not immune, and the fear just doesn't take. The animation goes off but nothing happens.Legacy of Kain
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✭I find that if you have snare on you, break free and any other activity also slows down also. Like I can immediately press buttons for break free and skills but snares seem to just make things unresponsive for good 1 or 2 seconds. Which is usually enough time frame to get killed against well built builds. And maybe /headache animation that plays when feared or invigor drain'd doesn't help on top of that problem also. Anything with /headache seems unbreakable for a good 1~2 seconds and add a second or two on top when snared.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Magıc✭✭✭✭✭Fear is defo the buggiest CC in the game, followed closely behind Javelin. Unsure about being able to exploit it but ye, it's annoying af.0
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✭✭✭✭IZZESparkling wrote: »I find that if you have snare on you, break free and any other activity also slows down also. Like I can immediately press buttons for break free and skills but snares seem to just make things unresponsive for good 1 or 2 seconds. Which is usually enough time frame to get killed against well built builds. And maybe /headache animation that plays when feared or invigor drain'd doesn't help on top of that problem also. Anything with /headache seems unbreakable for a good 1~2 seconds and add a second or two on top when snared.
I get this - a lot.Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »There is also another annoying 'bug' that didn't used to happen before, and that's CCs going through block when you happen to weapon swap at the wrong time, while still holding block. It seems to be tied to that little graphical signal, because I never noticed it before that update. This punishes players that are fast enough to react to things like meteors or frag/streak combos etc.
It's worse this patch, but it was happening often enough last as well. Especially in a PvE environment, which I notice the most as a healer.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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✭✭✭Fear is unbreakable like 90% of the time now. GG.Invictus
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✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »
You called it!
It's like ZOS is trolling us all! Viper, Selene and now red mountain.0 -
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Well widow must be next week's then!HoloYoitsu wrote: »
You called it!
It's like ZOS is trolling us all! Viper, Selene and now red mountain.0