Unbreakable Fear

BraidasNM

So this is still a thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmICz56crg&feature=youtu.be

You can see my character start the break free animation but nothing happens (clearly had enough stam).

FearlessOne_2014

BraidasNM wrote: »

So this is still a thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmICz56crg&feature=youtu.be

You can see my character start the break free animation but nothing happens (clearly had enough stam).

That's not a bug man. That is prime featured content right there. That many on these forums try to say don't exist. Thanks for the video it happens to me so much that I just loaded out my Stam ProcBlade. That's right you all heard me I am going to join the rest of the bads carried by broken gear and unbreakable fear.


https://youtu.be/L1qntVXB_DI

Montayva

Animation cancelling exploit at its finest

Lord_Hev

Nerf sorc

Rohamad_Ali

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Montayva

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

Rohamad_Ali

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

I was not aware there is a way to make it happen intentionally . Probably already been done but making a video showing how it happens in a duel and sending it is all I know to get things fixed . It's frustrating to say the least at how long it takes to get anything noticed and a resolution .

Yuke

every cc break is super clunky atm, but this the best ive seen so far

Minno

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

So this is still a thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmICz56crg&feature=youtu.be

You can see my character start the break free animation but nothing happens (clearly had enough stam).

That's not a bug man. That is prime featured content right there. That many on these forums try to say don't exist. Thanks for the video it happens to me so much that I just loaded out my Stam ProcBlade. That's right you all heard me I am going to join the rest of the bads carried by broken gear and unbreakable fear.


https://youtu.be/L1qntVXB_DI

RadioheadSh0t

Wait... has this ever NOT been a thing??

GreenSoup2HoT

Theres a bunch of weird things happening after Morrowind release. Anyone notice how regen goes back and forth and back and forth while just standing still in pvp? Its just awful lag and input lag.

LeifErickson

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Theres a bunch of weird things happening after Morrowind release. Anyone notice how regen goes back and forth and back and forth while just standing still in pvp? Its just awful lag and input lag.

That's actually been happening for as long as I can remember.

zyk

Montayva wrote: »

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

As a shameless fear spammer when I play my NB, I can tell you this is not true. Many players consistently break it instantly. Players who break CC this well have posted in the forums it's because they anticipate the CC.

NBs, of course, also have to deal with Fear. IMO, the biggest issue with it is that it's not as obvious as other CCs. The easiest CCs to react to are the ones with a knockback component because of the obvious camera movement or that are heavily telegraphed. An ambush/lotus fan preceding a cancelled fear catches many offguard.

In my experience, I am unable to break free from many different types of CC. I spam break-free with more than enough stam while I watch my character die. I believe it's called getting ZOS'd.

Goshua

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

oh really.. so an exploit then?

Juli'St

Goshua wrote: »

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

oh really.. so an exploit then?

Exploit's in ESO?

Montayva

Goshua wrote: »

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

oh really.. so an exploit then?

If you can find anywhere that it states fear should not be able to be broken free from, then I won't call it an exploit.

Let's be honest here, we all know the animation cancelling of fear has been *** people up in pvp for a long while. Just another broken mechanic among MANY that needs to be addressed. Will it be fixed soon? Probably not.

thankyourat

Goshua wrote: »

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

oh really.. so an exploit then?

Lol it's not a exploit. I animstion cancel fear all the time and people still instantly cc break it. CCs in general are just buggy. Fear is just very noticeable because of the long duration. But it doesn't bug out any more than crystal frag or dizzing swing. All CCs in the game are unbreakable at times

Derra

Back in 1.5 days i´d stopped dueling NBs who´s only goal was to keep the duel going long enough so fear would eventually bug out.

Montayva

thankyourat wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

oh really.. so an exploit then?

Lol it's not a exploit. I animstion cancel fear all the time and people still instantly cc break it. CCs in general are just buggy. Fear is just very noticeable because of the long duration. But it doesn't bug out any more than crystal frag or dizzing swing. All CCs in the game are unbreakable at times

Fear can be cancelled in a way that prevents people from being able to break it, no matter the stam pool. Hence breaking the intended mechanic of being able to cc break.

I won't argue the fact that all cc's bug out at times. Prime time, getting zerged down and my cruddy Aussie latency have all seen me witness various unfortunate bugs.

But Braidas' video is aimed at one broken mechanic in particular, not all cc's. So that's what I'm discussing

So tl;dr Fear CC needs to be looked at (possibly reworked?) as it's one of the more buggy and exploitable cc's in the game

zyk

If you can reproduce a specific exploit, make a video and send it to ZOS.

I have not played nb much in 3.0, but I did in 2.7 and did not notice this while cancelling fear in different ways. I played without cloak, so I was feared as much as anyone else is. I have not encountered an issue specific to fear. Certainly nothing like what's in the video.

This includes several *long* 1v1s against other magicka builds during which I probably feared my opponents 20 times or more without them unable to break-free.

I think I've experienced break-free issues with all CCs. The CC that used the cause me the most problems was Blazing Spear before its CC component was removed.

Goshua

thankyourat wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

oh really.. so an exploit then?

Lol it's not a exploit. I animstion cancel fear all the time and people still instantly cc break it. CCs in general are just buggy. Fear is just very noticeable because of the long duration. But it doesn't bug out any more than crystal frag or dizzing swing. All CCs in the game are unbreakable at times

Well ok, i read it as it was a reliable-reproducible way to bug someone out.
Sounds like some press the rng for all its worth though.

Personally, fear is the more constant of unbreakable CC's, in fact I don't have much of issue with either of the other two at all. Sure its just the duration? because I'm breaking free, as i should be able too as soon as its used. I fail to see how the duration has anything to do with the fact that even with stamina available a split second into proceedings, break free from fear consistently fails.

Toast_STS

It's an old clip and i was able to break free but I do really hate fear sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlyWOD_m-gw

Montayva

zyk wrote: »

If you can reproduce a specific exploit, make a video and send it to ZOS.
.

I would, but last time I did that I got banned for 3 days for 'exploiting'

KILLING4ALIVING

Pretty sure it is an exploit. What I have noticed is if I get hit with Incap and it cc's, then immediately hit with fear, before you can break the first CC, it is unbreakable. I think most gankers have figured this out and do it intentionally, therefore making it an exploit. Of course I don't have play a gank blade, so I can't test this to say it's 100%. I imagine it works with any CC doubled up with Fear. Like I said I am not 100% sure on this but I notice it happens to me a lot.

NBrookus

I haven't used the skill in ages, but block cancelling vamp drain would make the CC unbreakable.

rfennell_ESO

If it was random... which it isn't, it's a bug.

You see the unbreakable fear from the same players though... Like if you see [cheater], you will see unbreakable fear.

So it's likely a bug that can be exploited (and is, by certain players).

It's likely another animation cancelling thing... To which ["competitive" "elite" player] will feel compelled to explain how it's important and necessary to the game and likely add that even questioning the fact that nearly every exploit or bug is related to animation cancelling or cheat engine makes me a noob that needs to learn how to play.

Magıc

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

If it was random... which it isn't, it's a bug.

You see the unbreakable fear from the same players though... Like if you see [cheater], you will see unbreakable fear.

So it's likely a bug that can be exploited (and is, by certain players).

It's likely another animation cancelling thing... To which ["competitive" "elite" player] will feel compelled to explain how it's important and necessary to the game and likely add that even questioning the fact that nearly every exploit or bug is related to animation cancelling or cheat engine makes me a noob that needs to learn how to play.

Well, it is kind of true that only baddies can't animation cancel.

Docmandu

ZOS's answer to broken fear CC break from NBs and proctardiness: gold viper rings on The Golden One this week... /facepalm

LegendaryMage

There is also another annoying 'bug' that didn't used to happen before, and that's CCs going through block when you happen to weapon swap at the wrong time, while still holding block. It seems to be tied to that little graphical signal, because I never noticed it before that update. This punishes players that are fast enough to react to things like meteors or frag/streak combos etc.

RinaldoGandolphi

Unbreakable fear isn't a cheat, it's an easily reproducible bug that's been in the game since 2014

If you fear someone BEFORE a soft CC like a root or snare expires you can get an unbearable CC

DK used to use a timed Invasion +Talons while you were still in your back to prevent you from being able to break free and get up

The Charge Snare added in 1.6 makes it easier for the unbreakable fear to happen as they can stun you from stealth + Snare then fear you, if they time it right, just like the old DK Invasion +Talons bug you will not be able to break it no matter how much Stam you have.

Buggy game is buggy maybe one day ZOS will fix it...

Joy_Division

Montayva wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Fear bugs out all the time and has been that way for as long as I can remember . As a Nightblade that comes in handy but I'd rather it work as intended then win from a glitch . I would tag Wrobel again but he doesn't respond to forum posts . If this was posted on Reddit then it would have more of a chance to finally get recognition .

Things bug out on people all the time. But its well known that animation cancelling fear prevents the targets from being able to break free. Which ofc, gets abused frequently, like all broken things.

I play this game almost every day and I never heard of this.

People may think ZoS does not care about PvP because they don't fix stuff, but I bet most of the cases players just assume that devs just automatically know everything