I Had a Realization About ESO

Ch4mpTW

Yarlenzey wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

As much as I am obsessed with optimizing my build, and having this and that best-in-slot piece of gear — I genuinely missed questing. And I'm incredibly pleased with the quality of quests, and amount of quests given with Morrowind.

I'm starting to realize that not everything is about who has the highest DPS time, and trying to impress this and that GM or guild. In fact, you don't even need a guild to enjoy ESO. Sure guilds can be a QOL improvement, but it can also drag you down and or stress you out.

It's about really just playing the game for fun. Something that I had forgotten to do in ESO. Who cares if you're a "casual", or someone who wants to take it easy? And why belittle those with that preference? Just worry about yourself, and do you. And you will be at a much better place emotionally and mentally.

At this point I feel that I must issue the following demands:

• Read the ToS
• Can I have your stuff?
• TLA STAMPRCK nDDS FFS GFY BLAH GNGR
• and stuff

Oh yeah, this person changed me into a newt. Wood floats.

So you were changed into an Argonian? Sounds like you may have Dunmer issues on your hands not too long from now.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yep. Quests can be a nice break from grinding. I just wish the content was more challenging.

I used to say that, but for once... No. I disagree. The game has more than enough challenging content in it. And things can always be made harder by simply disabling your champion points, or intentionally using weaker builds and setups. Not only that, but why not get into solo'ing content or PvP? There are challenges everywhere in ESO.

On a different note, I truly am beginning to believe that for once it isn't the "casual" players of the community that are "ruining" ESO. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite. It's the extremist end-game players whom are never satisfied, and are always the vocal minority that has gotten ESO to where it's at currently. The majority of players don't really care about which accolade you have, and the silly DPS tests. They just want to experience content, and have nice gear. All the while thoroughly enjoying the game, and the new challenges (reasonable) that ZOS delivers with each installment.

Now let me ask you this: How many players do you think truly enjoy enduring VMoL progression runs, or progression runs in general...? How many people enjoy being told, "To be apart of our trial runnings, you have to do this and that DPS test." Only for months down the road, those strict regulations of who gets to be apart of what and egotistical barriers are lifted. Why? Because the content has gotten learned, and builds have been copied dozens and dozens of times. With damn near no builds being original. How many people enjoy being denied a chance at the good loot inside places because of ZOS choosing to make damn near everything a DPS race (and thus segregating the player base)?

Here's a fun fact, most people don't have Flawless Conqueror still. Most people haven't beaten VMoL still. Most people who have beaten VMoL haven't skipped Lunar Phase yet. A lot of people still pay people for VMA leaderboard spots on PS4-NA, and paid people for "skin runs". That is a damn shame. An absolute damn shame. I have been VMoL runs, where I intentionally gave up my spot so that someone else who doesn't have a skin can get a shot at it. Why? Because I have the skin, and have cleared the content numerous times. How many so called "elites" and those of the vocal minority can say that they've done the same, or are actively offering to lend a hand to help others clear content and get skins and achievements...? Oh right. Because they are a competitive "end-game guild", which house their own "secret" builds and strategies. Been there. Done that. And honestly...? I'm over it.

ObsidianMichi

What keeps me coming back to ESO is the quests, and the worldbuilding, and how fun it is to explore. Honestly, I've been playing the game for three years and only now just started regularly running dungeons and trials. I don't really grind, and I'm still content to run most of the content in crafted sets. I've never stopped believing that having fun is more important than the best builds, and the forums were part of the reason why I regularly passed over running endgame content. The constant string of "You need build X, Y, Z, and BIS gear or it's worthless!" and I think that attitude often hurts more than it helps. Then, some players grind so hard for so long they forget why they enjoyed playing in the first place.

Morrowind has some fabulous new quests, and I'm so pleased that they added in more content for stealth characters. It's wonderful to roam and listen to the music, to just poke and prod.

I'm glad you're enjoying it, @Ch4mpTW

Yarlenzey

I got bitter.

Zenzuki

@FloppyTouch : He got better!


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Ch4mpTW

Yarlenzey wrote: »

I got bitter.

I was bitter for a very long time, and about a lot of things. You're not alone. I uninstalled the game, and went on my most recent break all because I got a Maelstrom's Inferno Staff in charged. Lel. Beyond petty and bitter. Shameful even. A lot of people still can't even beat VMA, and some go to extremes as getting others to beat it for them. And here I am stressing over some loot I got from it. Granted the RNG is atrocious in ESO Bruh-Bruh, but do go as far as to let it be the straw that broke the camel's back? That's a bit silly. Even if I have over 300 runs of VMA completed, it still doesn't warrant that kind of pettiness.

On the bright side of things, you acknowledge the fact that the game is making you bitter. Acknowledging the shift in character change is the first step of feeling better. So already you're off to a good start of not feeling bitter. I advise a long break, and then returning only to do quests and just casually strolling about. Really absorb everything around you, and what's going on in game. And just let the bs go. In the words of Zenyatta, "The iris embraces you."

Teridaxus

I always hang out in daggerfall in glenumbra since its the first big city which i have seen in eso ( had the same connection with whiterun in skyrim ) and everytime i see a new guy asking how to reach max lvl asap, i encourage them to give the quests in eso a chance.
Also telling them to wait with possible respecs since so many skillpoints are avaible and you could just learn and try all things first on your own, instead of using a copy paste build.

slumber_sandb16_ESO

PvE questing is the best part of the game. Every single quest is voice acted. It has spoiled me to the point where I cant even play games that doesnt have voice acted quests.

Invincible

jeevin wrote: »

For me Eso is much better when you stop and smell the flowers, read books and take in what the game world is telling you.

In reality that's all eso has to offer. There is no end game pve, the pvp is a joke and and class design and balance is horrendous.

Eso is a great story and the visuals are great but a true MMO it is not.

SpearDusk

Nice to see like minded people

Voxicity

Very good point. My wife and I have worked our way up to clearing vMoL, getting the dungeon skins and improving our characters and getting gud but now I feel like we're in retirement or something after achieving all of that Just relaxing, fishing or questing or going in cyrodiil and pvping casually as a duo. It's way more fun to play the game casually in my opinion. It's not like you're gonna forget how to play good if you ever decide to get vHoF clear or something else in the future anyway.

Ch4mpTW

So many good vibes in this thread... Maybe I should've just chilled tf out a long time ago. Kek.

Dantaria

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

How many so called "elites" and those of the vocal minority can say that they've done the same, or are actively offering to lend a hand to help others clear content and get skins and achievements...? Oh right. Because they are a competitive "end-game guild", which house their own "secret" builds and strategies. Been there. Done that. And honestly...? I'm over it.

And that is the problem. Not end-game on its own.

With all due respect, you were taking it to extremes. And you're doing the same thing now.

How many of elite help? Huge ton. Every day: on YouTube with builds and here, on forum, with tips. Here, my personal experience. Got a problem - got help in no time. Also got help on Reddit when my team was stuck on last boss in nHoF in no time either.

There is nothing humiliating about DPS tests. Do you feel humuliated when you asked to take en exam to join University? No. It's not personal, you just have to have some degree of knowledge and skill to study in Uni. This is no different. You can't enter vTrial with 2-bows light-attack build, simply because you won't make it.

And the same goes for uber-competitive guilds. It is nothing personal - people play the way they want exactly like casuals. If they want to run vMoL HM Speedrun with like-minded people, what's wrong with that? But yeah, to join them you have to meet certain requirements. Again - nothing personal.

And finally:

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

On a different note, I truly am beginning to believe that for once it isn't the "casual" players of the community that are "ruining" ESO. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite. It's the extremist end-game players whom are never satisfied, and are always the vocal minority that has gotten ESO to where it's at currently. The majority of players don't really care about which accolade you have, and the silly DPS tests. They just want to experience content, and have nice gear. All the while thoroughly enjoying the game, and the new challenges (reasonable) that ZOS delivers with each installment.

Extreme casuals ruin ESO just as good as extreme elitist. There is nothing fun in entering random normal II or DLC dung and seeing that you're doing 80% froup DPS. Nothing when you yourself aren't elite, you barely made it to vMoL progression group and now you have to f**king drag this run on your own because the other guys just doesn't give a s**t. It's freaking stressful.

Extremes are ruining ESO. Just like they ruin real life. Not end-game players, not casual players, not RPers, questers or PvPers. Extremes. And every extreme is just as hurtful as the next one.

Voxicity

Dantaria wrote: »

Extremes are ruining ESO. Just like they ruin real life. Not end-game players, not casual players, not RPers, questers or PvPers. Extremes. And every extreme is just as hurtful as the next one.

Extreme RPers are the worst imo

VampiricByNature

@Ch4mpTW I agree! It's hard for me because I like to trial the most in eso. I changed who I played with.

I took the transition a few months ago from working hard to be in competitive raid groups to going back to just playing for fun. I watched someone I had gamed with for months spiral from a friendly guy to an achievement chasing fool who was willing to kiss ANYONE'S butt to top that leaderboard. It was an eye opener. What was I turning into? [A newt?]

A friend of mine made her own guild. Our trials are now slower, Hodge podged and sometimes we have to actually kick someone talented for being mean to someone who is learning. We make the most of the kind people we have- trying to improve each run. It's a heck of a lot more fun than being stuck in strange guild political nightmares.

Sure, we want to get better. But instead of being mean to the people we play with, we are trying to create a team-vibe for everyone and build them up.

Dps tests are fine but I was literally in guilds where the only posts were self-dps tests and boring posts of another self-congratulatory maelstrom score. Or my favorite- a score from the flavor-of-the-week guild you're in as if to prove your current guild is just *beneath you*. Eep.

Sorry, rant over. All in all, I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too. Endgame content. But with nice people. GL to anyone and however they choose to play. I just want to choose... fun. [Edited to note I'm on ps4. Our trial community is small and sometimes very strange. Lol]

NewBlacksmurf

Yep

....why is this in a MMO server again

stewhead2ub17_ESO

@Ch4mpTW : Welcome to the game. I check my ego and competitiveness at the MMO door when I enter. Love doing what I want, when I want, wearing whatever I want since beta and have always enjoyed it. I play games for fun, not an extension of work or public recognition (but to each his own, I say). Glad you found the joy in this fantastic world we've been offered

Ch4mpTW

VampiricByNature wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW I agree! It's hard for me because I like to trial the most in eso. I changed who I played with.

I took the transition a few months ago from working hard to be in competitive raid groups to going back to just playing for fun. I watched someone I had gamed with for months spiral from a friendly guy to an achievement chasing fool who was willing to kiss ANYONE'S butt to top that leaderboard. It was an eye opener. What was I turning into? [A newt?]

A friend of mine made her own guild. Our trials are now slower, Hodge podged and sometimes we have to actually kick someone talented for being mean to someone who is learning. We make the most of the kind people we have- trying to improve each run. It's a heck of a lot more fun than being stuck in strange guild political nightmares.

Sure, we want to get better. But instead of being mean to the people we play with, we are trying to create a team-vibe for everyone and build them up.

Dps tests are fine but I was literally in guilds where the only posts were self-dps tests and boring posts of another self-congratulatory maelstrom score. Or my favorite- a score from the flavor-of-the-week guild you're in as if to prove your current guild is just *beneath you*. Eep.

Sorry, rant over. All in all, I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too. Endgame content. But with nice people. GL to anyone and however they choose to play. I just want to choose... fun. [Edited to note I'm on ps4. Our trial community is small and sometimes very strange. Lol]

@VampiricByNature Nice, and I'm happy that things are going smooth for you. I'm aware we had our little exchanges in the past, but I'm genuinely happy that things are breezy for you nowadays.

I was in a few similar guilds like that too. 1 in particular that demanded VMoL runs daily, and was led by an egomaniac. Then after people stopped showing up and getting tired of their attitudes, he cooled it down to 3 nights a week for their "A-Team". It could be 2am or 3am, and I'd get a message like, "Yo Champ, get on and do this run with us." I was subbing for the precious A-Team so much that I was pretty much considered an A-Team member from my frequency at being there. Then I got more and more tired of VMoL runs, to the point I just played Overwatch over ESO. And then Overwatch eventually became my platform for competing over ESO. So I started showing up less and less on ESO. The charged inferno staff being the straw that broke the camel's back in conjunction with the toxicity I was encountering daily and bitterness growing in me, that I just said F it and uninstalled.

As for DPS tests, I always hated that nonsense. I get that people want to make sure that the people bring all to get content done is capable of it rising to the challenge — but it's ridiculous how far people take it.

I'll give you've a perfect example. The current PvE guild I'm in (and my only PvE guild currently) is asking that all members do testing all over again with Morrowind having launched. I absolutely refuse. And if I get kicked, or if people don't want to play with me and talk bad about me for it — oh well. Lol. I refuse to do another DPS test ever again. Have beaten VMoL on all of my characters, and skipped Lunar Phase with them all. All my characters are Flawless Conqueror as well. This is of course excluding Wardens. And if someone thinks I'm going to go out of my way to "prove myself" to them, they have a surprise awaiting them. Don't give a damn what type of reputation I get either from my attitude toward testing. I know folks who got amazing DPS test scores, but end-up getting kicked out of trial teams from dying too much in trials. Or because they were too arrogant and egotistical. Or because they couldn't grasp the mechanics at hand. Even though they had above and beyond what was asked for the required DPS time. If people don't know by now that I have solid DPS, and don't want to rock with me...? That's fine with me. I don't need a guild do anything I want to do.

Dantaria

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'll give you've a perfect example. The current PvE guild I'm in (and my only PvE guild currently) is asking that all members do testing all over again with Morrowind having launched. I absolutely refuse. And if I get kicked, or if people don't want to play with me and talk bad about me for it — oh well. Lol. I refuse to do another DPS test ever again. Have beaten VMoL on all of my characters, and skipped Lunar Phase with them all. All my characters are Flawless Conqueror as well.

Erm... Flawed logic all around.

Morrowind-patch a huge game changer. You were Flawless Conquerer and Dro-M'Athra Destroyer. But now people easily have -5k dps. -7k dps. -10k dps.

When environment changes, the experiment has to be run again. That's how it always been done and how it will always be done.

They don't ask for dps-retest just because, they ask because the reality has changed. And there actually is no guarantee that you adapted. So yeah - you can refuse all you want, but it's on you. Not on them. They're doing nothing wrong.

Kodrac

@Ch4mpTW you ok bruh? I've been giving you lots of insightfuls lately.

acw37162

Thousands of hours went into almost every detail of Morrowind.

It is an amazing piece of content.

The music alone is awesome.

FortheloveofKrist

Dantaria wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

How many so called "elites" and those of the vocal minority can say that they've done the same, or are actively offering to lend a hand to help others clear content and get skins and achievements...? Oh right. Because they are a competitive "end-game guild", which house their own "secret" builds and strategies. Been there. Done that. And honestly...? I'm over it.

And that is the problem. Not end-game on its own.

With all due respect, you were taking it to extremes. And you're doing the same thing now.

How many of elite help? Huge ton. Every day: on YouTube with builds and here, on forum, with tips. Here, my personal experience. Got a problem - got help in no time. Also got help on Reddit when my team was stuck on last boss in nHoF in no time either.

There is nothing humiliating about DPS tests. Do you feel humuliated when you asked to take en exam to join University? No. It's not personal, you just have to have some degree of knowledge and skill to study in Uni. This is no different. You can't enter vTrial with 2-bows light-attack build, simply because you won't make it.

And the same goes for uber-competitive guilds. It is nothing personal - people play the way they want exactly like casuals. If they want to run vMoL HM Speedrun with like-minded people, what's wrong with that? But yeah, to join them you have to meet certain requirements. Again - nothing personal.

And finally:

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

On a different note, I truly am beginning to believe that for once it isn't the "casual" players of the community that are "ruining" ESO. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite. It's the extremist end-game players whom are never satisfied, and are always the vocal minority that has gotten ESO to where it's at currently. The majority of players don't really care about which accolade you have, and the silly DPS tests. They just want to experience content, and have nice gear. All the while thoroughly enjoying the game, and the new challenges (reasonable) that ZOS delivers with each installment.

Extreme casuals ruin ESO just as good as extreme elitist. There is nothing fun in entering random normal II or DLC dung and seeing that you're doing 80% froup DPS. Nothing when you yourself aren't elite, you barely made it to vMoL progression group and now you have to f**king drag this run on your own because the other guys just doesn't give a s**t. It's freaking stressful.

Extremes are ruining ESO. Just like they ruin real life. Not end-game players, not casual players, not RPers, questers or PvPers. Extremes. And every extreme is just as hurtful as the next one.

Except your determination of what is normal and what are the resultant "extremes" is entirely subjective. Just like in real life.

Nugge

I almost lost all interest in ESO. My old guilds fell apart, old friends departed and I got tired of raiding/pvp:ing/grinding optimal gear. ESO seemed like a chore to me. Then I was invited to the private beta of Morrowind, so I curiously wanted to check it out. I started playing ESO from the release but my TES history goes back to Daggerfall. Played all titles after that (Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind/Bloodmoon/Tribunal, Oblivion+DLC, Skyrim+DLCs). It was a happy moment to see Vvardenfell again, building a new warden and quest around again, which I haven't done in a long time. No pressure, no grinding, only following the stories and enjoying myself. Now I am doing it in Live and quest around in the other zones as well, just for fun.

I think a lot of the negative people here have forgotten how fun it can be and that TES/ESO is about the stories, not the grind.

Just remember, enjoy yourselves and take in the astonishing views that exists all over Tamriel.

Edit: typos

Ch4mpTW

Dantaria wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'll give you've a perfect example. The current PvE guild I'm in (and my only PvE guild currently) is asking that all members do testing all over again with Morrowind having launched. I absolutely refuse. And if I get kicked, or if people don't want to play with me and talk bad about me for it — oh well. Lol. I refuse to do another DPS test ever again. Have beaten VMoL on all of my characters, and skipped Lunar Phase with them all. All my characters are Flawless Conqueror as well.

Erm... Flawed logic all around.

Morrowind-patch a huge game changer. You were Flawless Conquerer and Dro-M'Athra Destroyer. But now people easily have -5k dps. -7k dps. -10k dps.

When environment changes, the experiment has to be run again. That's how it always been done and how it will always be done.

They don't ask for dps-retest just because, they ask because the reality has changed. And there actually is no guarantee that you adapted. So yeah - you can refuse all you want, but it's on you. Not on them. They're doing nothing wrong.

Never said that they were in the wrong. Just that I will not be doing another DPS test again. And frankly...? I just don't care who has an issue with my opinion on testing DPS. I have buddies who will ask me to run veteran trials with them whether I'm DPS tested or not, and know that I'm a solid player. Do you think I'm really going to go out of my way to impress someone, and have myself measured to see if I'm "good enough" to handle something...? Absolutely not. Lol. They are free to test whomever they want, and make it mandatory. That's absolutely fine. Just understand that when that request/question is asked of whether or not I want to do a DPS test, or if I have done 1 post-Morrowind? The answer will be: "No, and I never will."

Kodrac wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW you ok bruh? I've been giving you lots of insightfuls lately.

I'm alright, bruh. Just "enlightened" and in an overall healthier state of mind. When you stop playing ESO and indulging in the community so much, and play other games? And indulging yourself in other communities...? It really opens your eyes to a lot of stuff. And the vast majority of stuff is: Craziness, ego, ignorance, illusions, and manipulations. And once you can identify individually all those things, and acknowledge not only their presence but that it isn't going anywhere...? It's like everything "clicks" in place. And you just stop taking things so seriously.

For example, I was playing for ego and all the wrong reasons in the past. I was constantly worried about how I was perceived in a video game (top kek) and a video game forum. I was constantly obsessed with having the best of the best in everything, and at the end of the day that means nothing. It really doesn't. And while I do want things still that are the best of the best, there is no way in hell I'll ever let ESO dictate my feelings and my state of mind anymore. There's no way I'll sacrifice sleep and feelings for a guild or anything video game oriented again. Nothing is more important than health, well-being, personal enjoyment. When something starts to feel unhealthy or annoying, I leave it be. I'll get back to it later on nowadays.

Dantaria

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Except your determination of what is normal and what are the resultant "extremes" is entirely subjective. Just like in real life.

Heh. Can argue with that, if you wish to get philosophical

"Extremes" are subjective when we talk about opinions and beliefs. There is no subjectivity when we talk about numbers. Numbers are not subjective, they just are.

What is subjective are the numbers you ask for. However.

Do you need to have 30k DPS to finish the dungeon? LOL, no, that's extreme and the person who asks for it is extreme. Simply because of the objective truth: there are no 30k DPS-checks in dungeons. But do you need to ask for 30k+ DPS if your intention is purely to gather the group to skip Lunar Phase? Yes. Nothing extreme in that.

Pretty much the same goes for the other end of the spectre. Is 10k DPS enough to finish normal dungeon? Yes, but if the other DD is the same, prepare for long and sometimes tense run. Vet? Hell no.

Demands are subjective. Some believe that you need 15k+ DPS for vet dungs. Some - that 20k+. Some - 25k+. But do notice - the difference is not that large. Because it's not "entirely subjective". Since we're dealing with measurable things. So people who think you need 30k+ DPS for dungeons are objectively extreme. People who queue on vet with <=10k DPS and screw everything are also objectively extreme.

Things in between though are gray area

Nugge

@Ch4mpTW. can't agree more. I was doing the same, now I find it refreshing to play a Normal group dungeon with total beginners, helping them with gear/tactics/mechanics instead of always only playing with top ranked players burning pretty much everything down in seconds. A new dimension (or rather, an old one) has opened .

notimetocare

When I do a new zone on my main, I still walk everywhere. No mount, no sprinting with speed buffs. Just normal run speed and looking around, reading the quests. Im a TES player, and thats what the game is and always will be. ZoS did very well at making it part tes and part mmo. Some quests get bland, but this game is far larger than any TES game thus far, only so much you can do.

FortheloveofKrist

Dantaria wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Except your determination of what is normal and what are the resultant "extremes" is entirely subjective. Just like in real life.

Heh. Can argue with that, if you wish to get philosophical

"Extremes" are subjective when we talk about opinions and beliefs. There is no subjectivity when we talk about numbers. Numbers are not subjective, they just are.

What is subjective are the numbers you ask for. However.

Do you need to have 30k DPS to finish the dungeon? LOL, no, that's extreme and the person who asks for it is extreme. Simply because of the objective truth: there are no 30k DPS-checks in dungeons. But do you need to ask for 30k+ DPS if your intention is purely to gather the group to skip Lunar Phase? Yes. Nothing extreme in that.

Pretty much the same goes for the other end of the spectre. Is 10k DPS enough to finish normal dungeon? Yes, but if the other DD is the same, prepare for long and sometimes tense run. Vet? Hell no.

Demands are subjective. Some believe that you need 15k+ DPS for vet dungs. Some - that 20k+. Some - 25k+. But do notice - the difference is not that large. Because it's not "entirely subjective". Since we're dealing with measurable things. So people who think you need 30k+ DPS for dungeons are objectively extreme. People who queue on vet with <=10k DPS and screw everything are also objectively extreme.

Things in between though are gray area

Thank you. An entirely subjective set of examples. As an accountant, you would think I'd agree that numbers are not subjective. But they are. Which numbers you choose to see, which you choose to ignore, what range is acceptable, how you present them...these are all subjective. Maybe your DPS means nothing to me because I don't care about Damage Per Second. Perhaps I measure my enjoyment in Gold Per Hour. Or Laughs Per Minute.

Tell me, what is your typical sustained rate of LPM?

Kodrac

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm alright, bruh. Just "enlightened" and in an overall healthier state of mind. When you stop playing ESO and indulging in the community so much, and play other games? And indulging yourself in other communities...? It really opens your eyes to a lot of stuff. And the vast majority of stuff is: Craziness, ego, ignorance, illusions, and manipulations. And once you can identify individually all those things, and acknowledge not only their presence but that it isn't going anywhere...? It's like everything "clicks" in place. And you just stop taking things so seriously.

For example, I was playing for ego and all the wrong reasons in the past. I was constantly worried about how I was perceived in a video game (top kek) and a video game forum. I was constantly obsessed with having the best of the best in everything, and at the end of the day that means nothing. It really doesn't. And while I do want things still that are the best of the best, there is no way in hell I'll ever let ESO dictate my feelings and my state of mind anymore. There's no way I'll sacrifice sleep and feelings for a guild or anything video game oriented again. Nothing is more important than health, well-being, personal enjoyment. When something starts to feel unhealthy or annoying, I leave it be. I'll get back to it later on nowadays.

I know what you mean. I reached that point way back in EQ2, my second MMO. I got sick of the raid scene. I still manage to put in a lot of hours to this game but I play casually. My old min/max ways still kick in now and then as I just can't wear heavy armor with a bow, and all that jazz but I don't obsess over numbers and grinding for the perfect gear and optimizing racial passives, etc etc. These days I play for the feels. It's much more fun when you can kick back and relax and zone out.

Dantaria

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Thank you. An entirely subjective set of examples. As an accountant, you would think I'd agree that numbers are not subjective. But they are. Which numbers you choose to see, which you choose to ignore, what range is acceptable, how you present them...these are all subjective. Maybe your DPS means nothing to me because I don't care about Damage Per Second. Perhaps I measure my enjoyment in Gold Per Hour. Or Laughs Per Minute.

Tell me, what is your typical sustained rate of LPM?

You're changing the subject.

I nowhere said that DPS is the only measure. If you enjoy questing and fishing - my god, props to you, be my guest, best of luck You probably don't care about your DPS and that's 100% fine.

However, well... the moment you decide "Heck, wanna do vet dung" and go straight in your green prosperous questing gear - well, it's fine for the first time, you didn't know. But when you start doing it consistently - you're becoming the extreme casual And that's quite measurable

Honestly, the "elitists" the talk originally was about, don't care about questers and fishers. They care about questers and fishers in group content. Especially - non-trivial group content. Can you honestly blame them?

Ch4mpTW

Kodrac wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm alright, bruh. Just "enlightened" and in an overall healthier state of mind. When you stop playing ESO and indulging in the community so much, and play other games? And indulging yourself in other communities...? It really opens your eyes to a lot of stuff. And the vast majority of stuff is: Craziness, ego, ignorance, illusions, and manipulations. And once you can identify individually all those things, and acknowledge not only their presence but that it isn't going anywhere...? It's like everything "clicks" in place. And you just stop taking things so seriously.

For example, I was playing for ego and all the wrong reasons in the past. I was constantly worried about how I was perceived in a video game (top kek) and a video game forum. I was constantly obsessed with having the best of the best in everything, and at the end of the day that means nothing. It really doesn't. And while I do want things still that are the best of the best, there is no way in hell I'll ever let ESO dictate my feelings and my state of mind anymore. There's no way I'll sacrifice sleep and feelings for a guild or anything video game oriented again. Nothing is more important than health, well-being, personal enjoyment. When something starts to feel unhealthy or annoying, I leave it be. I'll get back to it later on nowadays.

I know what you mean. I reached that point way back in EQ2, my second MMO. I got sick of the raid scene. I still manage to put in a lot of hours to this game but I play casually. My old min/max ways still kick in now and then as I just can't wear heavy armor with a bow, and all that jazz but I don't obsess over numbers and grinding for the perfect gear and optimizing racial passives, etc etc. These days I play for the feels. It's much more fun when you can kick back and relax and zone out.

@Kodrac I think that's excellent, bruh. Deadass. I really think that's amazing. See, that not only impresses me but motivates me. You motivate me. Seeing that you are actively playing for fun and enjoyment fuels my desire to play ESO and dive into the game deeper. But in a better way this time around. Where as previously, I was impressed by how fast a person could bang out a rotation. I was impressed by whether or not someone can solo something. I became obsessive over the things that didn't really mean much at the end of the day.

And I was such a scumbag. I was such a huge scumbag. And I owe so many people apologies for both in-game on these forums. I owe so many, many, many, people apologies. And while I have admitted my faults and wrongs, I don't regret them. Because with them, I'd have not be where I'm at now. True story. I regret nothing. Without those bridges I burned and hardships I put myself through, I would not be at the state of mind I currently am. I would not truly be free. And as pathetic as this sounds, I was actually an addict to ESO and it's community. @Deltia was talking facts when bruh-bruh mentioned how a lot of folks are addicts on ESO and addicted to the game and community. Sounds crazy, but it's real.

And if people don't want to forgive me, and start a new relationship with me? That's fine. If people want to kick dirt on my name, and wish ill will on me? That's fine. If people want to spread rumors about me, and or go out of their way to do me dirty...? It's all okay. Why...? Because it ultimately means nothing. When I turn ESO off, and my devices off? All the cyber nonsense goes right out of the window and means nada. And even in-game it means nada, because I have no problem roaming about dolo solo 95% of the time. Learned how to solo things real well. Lel. And I also met a lot of great people when I was by myself like @Mortehl @KingYogi415 and many, many, many, more. I can post-up at my island, and just chill. Master craftsman with 9-traits in everything and all styles learned (not including styles released with Morrowind). Crafting stations even on my island, and DPS dummies. I don't need to ask anyone do anything for me. I also don't need to be all about Craglorn and Grahtwood learning the hottest guild drama and this and that. I just need me. And thankfully I'm blessed enough to have a small clique that rolls deep and heavy with me. Folks who truly mean me well, and are thorough. So all is good. ^_~

And to ZOS, please keep releasing amazing content. As much as I dissed you guys, and spoke ill of you? I gotta give credit where it's due. And you all really blew it out of the park with Morrowind. And kudos for the buff and debuff trackers for console. Much appreciated for that. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom And to you @Wrobel , please continue doing your thing when it comes to balancing. I know we rag on you a lot as the player base, but in all honestly you do your job well. And I personally appreciate the work you do. You may do a LOT of questionable stuff here and there, and have me wondering WTF I'm reading... BUT! The fact still remains that you're brilliant at what you do. Keep up the superb work.