Magicka Sorcerer BiS Build - 'Oblivion'

Magıc

Indignated at the blatant sorc favoritism? Tired of seeing your beautiful Cyrodiil being taken over by these skilless brutes shrouded in lightning? Want to take back your homeland and PVP diversity? Eager to make these shieldstackers pay? Well fret no longer, for the ultimate sorc buster killer is here.

Born in the wrong class, this sorcerer never felt at ease with his comrades-in-arms. After a dark and life-altering incident on which I shall not expand right now because I can't think of anything suitably traumatic but shall fill in the blanks later, this renegade sorcerer became a butcher of his own kind.

Now he roams the wilds alone, or alone next to a zerg, but that doesn't count because "he's solo", appearing on the battlefield in a burst of lightning, melting other mages, and disappearing whence he came.

He is the leaf in the wind as well as the hurricane. He is the fresh breath of air that Cyrodiil needed, assuming said air is poisonous and deadly af. He is the Renegade Mage, hailing from the darkest pits of Oblivion.

And now I present to you the build video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFOoFWZLqy8

NightbladeMechanics

Lmao! Haven't even watched the video yet, but enjoyed the post.

Edit: oh god, it's that build. Is Knight Slayer still doing that? Talk about rage inducing!

Sallington

Heh.

*Checks every guild trader*

Master_Kas

Copycats. I use this on my nightblade sometimes when I feel hurt in the feels

I will report this!

Biro123

Hehe - Love It!

Saw a lot of oblivion users out last night.. made me bring back the matriarch, they did!

Minalan

Wanna duel this build @Irylia ?

Malamar1229

not gonna poop for days with all this cheese

Takllin

Sorcs triggered.

Irylia

Minalan wrote: »

Wanna duel this build @Irylia ?

Back bar. Slot mutagen. Resto ult. Boundless. Quick siphon/darkdeal. Surge. Streak.
Front bar. Frag. Shock curse weakness to elem fury db.

Run heavy armor black rose. Use bs and willpower with vma Destro. Defending resto beserker enchant
Witchmothers 1/2x prismatic
7 impen.
Vamp
Serpent or shadow

Move bastion cp to dmg mit of choice or more impen or dmg reduc to light/heavy

Play aggressive as _____

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CyrusArya

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Theodard

Yeah just going to say this first; I have not yet watched the video, I will mind you but I had to say this right off. Your introduction sold me, anything beyond that is just extra now.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

Minalan wrote: »

Wanna duel this build @Irylia ?

he will still prolly kill you, he won a couple of duels with no shields so this set wont work on him.

usmcjdking

Wardless sorcerer is very fun to play in duels in open world albeit a bit limited. Unlike using shields, you cannot afford to have lapses in judgement that end up getting you knocked down to execute range since your ability to protect yourself in low HP range is no longer available.

Quick siphon + Crit Surge + Rapid Regen with good ol' Force Pulse spam outperforms the healing of rally + vigor + crit surge to give you an idea how strong the incoming healing can be. While you certainly won't hit nearly as hard, your DPS should be as high if not higher due to you're defensive cooldowns being significantly longer than that of a standard ward build allowing for more attacking.

NightbladeMechanics

usmcjdking wrote: »

Wardless sorcerer is very fun to play in duels in open world albeit a bit limited. Unlike using shields, you cannot afford to have lapses in judgement that end up getting you knocked down to execute range since your ability to protect yourself in low HP range is no longer available.

Quick siphon + Crit Surge + Rapid Regen with good ol' Force Pulse spam outperforms the healing of rally + vigor + crit surge to give you an idea how strong the incoming healing can be. While you certainly won't hit nearly as hard, your DPS should be as high if not higher due to you're cooldowns being significantly longer than that of a standard ward build.

Your wardless sorc was always so sick.

Malamar1229

Irylia wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Wanna duel this build @Irylia ?

Back bar. Slot mutagen. Resto ult. Boundless. Quick siphon/darkdeal. Surge. Streak.
Front bar. Frag. Shock curse weakness to elem fury db.

Run heavy armor black rose. Use bs and willpower with vma Destro. Defending resto beserker enchant
Witchmothers 1/2x prismatic
7 impen.
Vamp
Serpent or shadow

Move bastion cp to dmg mit of choice or more impen or dmg reduc to light/heavy

Play aggressive as _____

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Drop brackets

Minalan is more of a Team Jacob type of guy.

olsborg

Hhaha so much fun to watch,.

Minalan

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Wanna duel this build @Irylia ?

Back bar. Slot mutagen. Resto ult. Boundless. Quick siphon/darkdeal. Surge. Streak.
Front bar. Frag. Shock curse weakness to elem fury db.

Run heavy armor black rose. Use bs and willpower with vma Destro. Defending resto beserker enchant
Witchmothers 1/2x prismatic
7 impen.
Vamp
Serpent or shadow

Move bastion cp to dmg mit of choice or more impen or dmg reduc to light/heavy

Play aggressive as _____

[/youtu.be/9lcCB5mgOu4]
Drop brackets

Minalan is more of a Team Jacob type of guy.

More like a team 'Van Helsing' person.

I do like the idea of a no shields sorc build, I hadn't even considered it. More health and healing to deal with the oblivion damage.

FearlessOne_2014

I almost cringe at this video. Good stuff. Good view.

Derra

One patch too late. Cyrodiil belongs to the proccblades now.

Subversus

Haven't even watched the video, but if it isn't torugs pact oblivion enchant + knight slayer I will be sad


EDIT: lol I was mistaken, this is much funnier

Sugaroverdose

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

Derra

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Minalan

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Shield stacking! Oh wait, that costs over 10K now, but blocking is still cheap!
Must be frags! Oh wait that was nerfed, but not any stamina weapon abilities.
Must be BSW! Oh wait that was nerfed, but viper wasn't.
Must be pirate skeleton! Oh wait, that was nerfed, only stamina classes can use it.

Sorc whining is so last patch..

Juli'St

...

... I love it when people who have extremely dubious builds appear on the topics to denigrate whoever proposes something.

Ishammael

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Serious question: what do you think is the relative power difference between mSorc and magicka spec of any other class?

I would suggest that mSorc has the most complete toolkit of any magicka class.

arkansas_ESO

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Serious question: what do you think is the relative power difference between mSorc and magicka spec of any other class?

I would suggest that mSorc has the most complete toolkit of any magicka class.

At this point magplar is basically a magic sorc that can proc Valkyn on cooldown. I wouldn't say magic sorc has the edge anymore.

NBrookus

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Serious question: what do you think is the relative power difference between mSorc and magicka spec of any other class?

I would suggest that mSorc has the most complete toolkit of any magicka class.

At this point magplar is basically a magic sorc that can proc Valkyn on cooldown. I wouldn't say magic sorc has the edge anymore.

A mag sorc without hardened ward, mobility or an execute that's a ticking time bomb. But purge, better heals and group support.

Magplars are easily the #2 magic class, but sorcs they are not.

Ishammael

NBrookus wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Serious question: what do you think is the relative power difference between mSorc and magicka spec of any other class?

I would suggest that mSorc has the most complete toolkit of any magicka class.

At this point magplar is basically a magic sorc that can proc Valkyn on cooldown. I wouldn't say magic sorc has the edge anymore.

A mag sorc without hardened ward, mobility or an execute that's a ticking time bomb. But purge, better heals and group support.

Magplars are easily the #2 magic class, but sorcs they are not.

Exactly.

Derra

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Serious question: what do you think is the relative power difference between mSorc and magicka spec of any other class?

I would suggest that mSorc has the most complete toolkit of any magicka class.

Magica sorc has 1 skill that puts it ahead of other classes for open world combat - that´s streak. Imagine a sorc without streak. Nobody would play the class. It´s literally that one skill that is in essence all that makes the sorc class.

In ranged singletarget a magblade outperforms a sorc.
A templar still offers vastly more utility than a sorc does and can go toe to toe with them 1v1 (if a sorc wants to access their utility they loose out on combat effectiveness).
DK is - well dk is simply not good.

Bare in mind i also think that sorc should not be able to stack harness + hardened. Taking away harness stacking alone would ravage the classes playability for a lot of people.

So would you specify - what situation are we looking at? Soloing smallgroup 2 to 4 medium grp 5 to 8 or anything larger?
The only situation i would see sorcs ahead is soloing and smallgrp (with only other sorcs/wardens/nightblades) because they still have mobility.

TreeHugger1

BoL is an hard counter to this build and I see many sorcs use it this patch.

Sugaroverdose

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Shield stacking! Oh wait, that costs over 10K now, but blocking is still cheap!
Must be frags! Oh wait that was nerfed, but not any stamina weapon abilities.
Must be BSW! Oh wait that was nerfed, but viper wasn't.
Must be pirate skeleton! Oh wait, that was nerfed, only stamina classes can use it.

Sorc whining is so last patch..

Shield is 3k base cost, how the hell did you make it cost 10k?

Derra wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Too gimmicky for my tastes, reminds me of a stamplar on NA that runs shieldbreaker and a lighting staff just to mess with sorcs. But this does raise an interesting point. People cry a lot about Sorcs and shieldstacking, and even though the class does honestly feel quite balanced as of right now in morrowind, the cycle will repeat soon enough and people will be crying again.

But as long as shield breaker exists, there is no justification in touching shield mechanics. None. The devs know this very well so I can confidently tell anyone who has an issue with shields to deal with it.

Sorcs as class only feels balanced to those who maining sorcs

What about sorc do you feel is overperforming?

Superior mobility, Superior defence from damage resource pool, untouched sustain.