Morning cap/crap, this is ***... *sigh*

Biro123

WanderingBeithe wrote: »

This is silly. I play Vivec in the mornings with AD. Am I not suppose to play if we are ahead? What about in the evenings when DC is ahead? Y'all going to stop so AD can catch up again? Shall we propose that the purple alliance be banned outright and all caught participating be banned as it could be considered unsportsmanlike? Or how DC and EP camp out in our que (supposedly) and swing the population over to their favor at prime time? Most mornings yes AD wipes the map and then we get wiped in the evenings. I thought that was kinda the point of the game?

I find it hard to believe that 10-15 players in the early hours of the European mornings can be the *only* thing that continually beats the great purple alliance AND population manipulation during prime time... over and over again.


They gave us Battlegrounds for the ultimate fair numbers fight.

If you actually value PVP, you would switch faction to provide some competition at that time.

And yes, it IS 10-15 players. 10-15 players who choose to organise and PVDoor. Who choose to ALL instantly focus any of the 1-5 players that make up each of the other factions.. 10-15 players, who, when they have everything, puts watchers in the keeps so any attempted retake by that 1-5 randoms results in them getting zerged by that 10-15.

As Kas says, THIS is the reason for the purple alliance. I (amongst others) are constantly calling for DC to stop pushing Chal at primtime to 'punish' AD for this crap.

Ofc, your biggest ally at primetime now, oddly enough, is ZS since they switched to EP and now live much of their life around Nickel - which kind of herds the DC randoms back towards Chal...

Yes ,WanderingBeithe, YOU and your ilk have destroyed the campaign - have destroyed any desire the other factions may have to try to win the campaign - and ultimately are a massive contributor to what will be the death of PVP in ESO.

Since I started Pvping in CP-campaigns, I have NEVER seen anyone other than AD win - not once - and its ALWAYS been because of the morning caps. You tell me, what is the point in trying?

(and this is me pulling punches on the subject)

Beardimus

It's a 24hr world. People in different time zones play on all servers. Deal with that!

Dreyloch

This has been going on since game release OP.
There have been countless threads about this very thing. You can re-roll to a different faction or server if it means that much to you. I know the choices are slim.

There are euro servers, but for some reason many of them (along with the Aussies) wanna play on ours. Mainly because those euro servers are foreign languages. German, French, etc. Maybe we need an English speaking server that covers some of those time zones. It would also cover the U.S. daytime folk with odd playtime hours?

Master_Kas

Beardimus wrote: »

It's a 24hr world. People in different time zones play on all servers. Deal with that!

Joy_Division

I'm pretty sure it will be this thread, unlike the previous 246 before it, that will do the trick.

Sharee

Beardimus wrote: »

It's a 24hr world. People in different time zones play on all servers. Deal with that!

The problem is not with people in different time zones, the problem is all of them piling on the same side.

5am server time is your primetime? valid excuse.
All of you playing AD? No so much.

Least-painful solution would be making campaign scoring ticks stop until all sides have roughly equal populations. That way the morning crowd can PvDoor to their hearts content without making the campaign scoring system completely irrelevant.

rfennell_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

So what's you solution to stopping it?

Note that it also has to allow people who are active at those times the chance to participate as well.
You can't say night/morning capping is ruining peoples fun and that people have to stop, if stopping means those people have nothing fun to do.

The only solution I can think of is to bolster home keep defenses when a population disparity is present.

More guards and give them cold fire ballistas and cold fire trebuchets to set up in courtyard to reign down on siege and oils over doors and breaches.

Scale it to population disparity and increase it at tri-keeps so it's not so easy to take a nearly undefended keep pvdooring.

I would also increase the health of doors and walls at trikeeps in general (all the time).

You can also just add a counter buff to emperor status. Basically a garrisoning type thing that increases wall and door strength at trikeeps when their is an enemy emp.

Valencer

LFM BOSS

Master_Fluff

Boss (and probably a few others too) does indeed seem to have an obsession with capturing everything.

Mazbt

The forums are different of course but in game a lot of "pvpers" just do not care about fair balanced competitive pvp. Just numbers and domination over enemies. Not winning through skill, but winning through overwhelming numbers and pvdooring. Actively avoiding pvp is what i mean by pvdooring.

Derra

Joy_Division wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it will be this thread, unlike the previous 246 before it, that will do the trick.

You have the luxury of playing NA with a whole lot more different timeszones on your server.

Magıc

Nermy wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

There are a few people on Vivec [EU], and we all know who they are, who are constantly capping in the morning and they know they are destroying PvP in ESO but they don't care.

There is no point in appealing to them - they just don't care.

The onus is on ZoS to introduce some sort of mechanic to negate this action because in the end, PvP in Cyrodiil will die. I know it's a 24 hour game and I have no problem with that. It's just no one competes for the campaign anymore, there's no point. We tried. We really did but to no avail.

It's the same on Sotha Sil [EU].

Turelus you know I talk from experience.

Indeed. I am fine with a solution but it would suck for those who play late into the night to have no way of contributing.

Maybe it's possible to have some keeps cycle vulnerability timers, or only outposts/towns/resources vulnerable during night hours.

Something which means a bunch of players can go in a troll enemies (and get content) by removing transit lines, but not actually taking away a whole nights progress in keeps.

Something needs to be done mate, it sucks for a lot of us. Oh and Aussies and Pacific rim players, I understand your time zones and don't wish to handicap you guys but the players who do this are European.

There has to be some intelligent solution to this. I haven't looked at our campaign score for weeks, no point. WJ just plays for fun now.

@Nermy Any proof they're european?

FearlessOne_2014

Will it sounds like if you are a morning person. You have four options.

- Recruit other friends to join you in the mornings in ESO.
- Change the time you play
- Join the other faction with the horde of morning PvPer that has stacked on to.
- Do something else till someone arrives.

I'm primarily EP. So I know the feels.(Used to spends most of the mornings trying to hold the two last keeps DC allows for us to have.) I have this new hobby in ESO since I more or less ditched my ESO PvP hobby. This new hobby is leveling other characters. Here I'll show you better then I can tell you.





To me it's much better then spending the mornings getting rekted over and over again. Then coming to the forums crying because abunch of players. That wanted to stack on one alliance for easy nearly uncontested AP farming. ZOS honestly can't help you @Makato

Makato

Ik ZOS will prolly do nothing but atlas i get to cry a bit towards the players maybe they get some sense in their nutshells and realize that what they are doing is a bit senseless ... @FearlessOne_2014

Biro123

Even the lowliest of zergling scrubs (like me) look down on them, have no respect for them, and can bask on the knowledge that there are far, far worse and far more cowardly players in game than themselves.

Surely these pvdoorers must know this. Surely they must know that there has never been a more wretched hive of scum and villainy that what is the AD pvdoor team.

They really are the joke of ESO.

Valencer

But this is exactly the kind of PvP ZOS is encouraging. Why is anyone surprised?

The AD on Vivec and the EP on Sotha Sil consider early morning PvDoor involving 20v1 proccing/destro ulti-ing good PvP. Theyre having fun. Who can argue differently when ZOS caters to this playstyle more and more every single update? It's just a waste of time denouncing it when the game now actively rewards it.

Should be argueing for injecting some skill back into the game so numbers arent the end all be all anymore. But I realise this has been repeated thousands of times by now, and the developer overlords probably dont want this in the game anymore anyway.

LadyDestiny

Why do peeps keep complaining. Come to the dark side where there are cookies.

Agrippa_Invisus

The simplest solution to the whole affair, for both NA and EU, would be dynamic population locks. ZOS sorely needs to implement them.

Allow no side to exceed the other's population by more than 5. As the lower population's players log in, the higher population can then get in through the queue more consistently.

It would encourage those one faction zergblobs to split up amongst the three factions for some balanced fighting or be forced to twiddle their thumbs in Rawlkha waiting for someone to log out.

Potenza

So you want the map to stay they way it was when you logged off. Yea ok - go play a single player game.

Elsterchen

Dreyloch wrote: »

This has been going on since game release OP.
There have been countless threads about this very thing. You can re-roll to a different faction or server if it means that much to you. I know the choices are slim.

There are euro servers, but for some reason many of them (along with the Aussies) wanna play on ours. Mainly because those euro servers are foreign languages. German, French, etc. Maybe we need an English speaking server that covers some of those time zones. It would also cover the U.S. daytime folk with odd playtime hours?

Hrrrm, actually most people on EU servers do speak english, and at minimum one other language. Obviously there are the englishmen, they probably don't speak any other language but I guess like the rest of europe its dwaned to them, that knowing more then one language helps communicating. ... ah and yes, english as a foreign language may differ from american english. But we tend to understand each other.

If you don't like french or german or spanish... just do not turn the language specific chat channels on. This leaves you with the english chat and some weird russian posts once in a while... but honestly, we all do not know what they actually want to say.

ThyIronFist

Valencer wrote: »

But this is exactly the kind of PvP ZOS is encouraging. Why is anyone surprised?

The AD on Vivec and the EP on Sotha Sil consider early morning PvDoor involving 20v1 proccing/destro ulti-ing good PvP. Theyre having fun. Who can argue differently when ZOS caters to this playstyle more and more every single update? It's just a waste of time denouncing it when the game now actively rewards it.

Should be argueing for injecting some skill back into the game so numbers arent the end all be all anymore. But I realise this has been repeated thousands of times by now, and the developer overlords probably dont want this in the game anymore anyway.

Yep. Pretty much.

To be fair morning/night capping has been a thing since the game came out over 3 years ago, but that's only half the issue. Back in the day is wasn't that much of a deal, but now mindless zerglings get rewarded for doing PvE in a PvP zone. Why?

All ZOS has done over the past 2-3 years is slowly but surely encourage mindless zerging and taking empty keeps. ZOS wants you to either be a mindless zergling and run with 50 players, or play stamina Nightblade. You get thousands of AP now for taking objectives on the map now without fighting a single player. And even if you encounter some single players or small groups... just roll over them with a zerg. Skill is no longer required to play PvP nowadays, just go to YouTube, look up any "epic uber build" by any nab streamer or YouTuber, get your cancer proc set on, and there you go. All ZOS has done is neuter the gameplay and dumb it down more and more, quite frankly I don't know why I bothered returning to the game.

Vivec and Sotha Sil are both garbage, they kinda already were before Morrowind when it was Azura's Star and Trueflame. The only time where there is "equal" PvP is perhaps a few hours every evening.

Miruku

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Will it sounds like if you are a morning person. You have four options.

- Recruit other friends to join you in the mornings in ESO.
- Change the time you play
- Join the other faction with the horde of morning PvPer that has stacked on to.
- Do something else till someone arrives.

I'm primarily EP. So I know the feels.(Used to spends most of the mornings trying to hold the two last keeps DC allows for us to have.) I have this new hobby in ESO since I more or less ditched my ESO PvP hobby. This new hobby is leveling other characters. Here I'll show you better then I can tell you.





To me it's much better then spending the mornings getting rekted over and over again. Then coming to the forums crying because abunch of players. That wanted to stack on one alliance for easy nearly uncontested AP farming. ZOS honestly can't help you @Makato

Feanor

Maybe the regular 50+ EP trains on Sotha Sil EU could migrate to Vivec.










Nah. Too easy.

runningtings

What is interesting to me is that AD on EU Vivec PvD all day, but when the DC and EP players come on in primetime they get forced back and lose them all.
Obviously therefore they are weak players, who rely on numbers.

Its a waste of time for DC/EP to play the campaign as there is no way we can win it, when the likes of BB is on during the day turning the map yellow. The campaign is dead from Day 1. has been for every campaign for months.

zyk

I think the history of online gaming has shown that a general playerbase can't be expected to balance populations. In my experience playing games online, most players will join the winning team if given the choice. That's why so many games have -- including pro sports -- have balancing mechanisms.

ESO is so alt-friendly now, most enthusiasts have this choice. It doesn't take long for characters to be leveled and competitive. Look at how quickly WRX and Stalker achieved emp with their brand new Wardens during the first week of 3.0.

AD NA Vivec is in very bad shape which has caused a lot of good players to either avoid AvA or play for other factions, and exacerbating the problem.

We need @ZOS_BrianWheeler and his team to come up with solutions if this is ever to be solved.

prootch

Magıc wrote: »

Any proof they're european?

Yep

And we are speaking about EU server here, Aussies and Asians are mostly not playing there... so not much of a point.
Languages are not the point either, most guild do coordinate in english, wherever the players are from.

Now except for a rule change, like highering the keeps def to 5+ in low pop situation or decreasing score/ap heavily for empty keeps capture (like 90%)... this morning crap and the associated woodemps will go on.

What is quite fun now is to see AD getting crushed to spawn in prime time almost everyday... with an emp and all scrolls. Fresh.

Biro123

prootch wrote: »

What is quite fun now is to see AD getting crushed to spawn in prime time almost everyday... with an emp and all scrolls. Fresh.

I'd like to think that the morning pvdoor-ers would start to see that this is the direct result of their antics - and recognise that despite still winning the campaign, they are only damaging their own faction. But, back to the real world..

FearlessOne_2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The simplest solution to the whole affair, for both NA and EU, would be dynamic population locks. ZOS sorely needs to implement them.

Allow no side to exceed the other's population by more than 5. As the lower population's players log in, the higher population can then get in through the queue more consistently.

It would encourage those one faction zergblobs to split up amongst the three factions for some balanced fighting or be forced to twiddle their thumbs in Rawlkha waiting for someone to log out.

zyk wrote: »

I think the history of online gaming has shown that a general playerbase can't be expected to balance populations. In my experience playing games online, most players will join the winning team if given the choice. That's why so many games have -- including pro sports -- have balancing mechanisms.

ESO is so alt-friendly now, most enthusiasts have this choice. It doesn't take long for characters to be leveled and competitive. Look at how quickly WRX and Stalker achieved emp with their brand new Wardens during the first week of 3.0.

AD NA Vivec is in very bad shape which has caused a lot of good players to either avoid AvA or play for other factions, and exacerbating the problem.

We need @ZOS_BrianWheeler and his team to come up with solutions if this is ever to be solved.

What about players like myself?



Are you serious going to sit here and tell us. To either go away? Or go play on a faction of *** bags who completely disrespect anyone who is not in their exclusive little elitist guild club. And expect others to take you seriously?

Here is a bit of advice. Stop pissing off your new-blood. Maybe then they will be more inclined to stay and play on your side. Rather then deal with yall BS for a week or so before deciding to reroll to a more friendlier and accepting faction. Then maybe yall wouldn't have to make threads of this nature. Am I right?

TBois

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The simplest solution to the whole affair, for both NA and EU, would be dynamic population locks. ZOS sorely needs to implement them.

Allow no side to exceed the other's population by more than 5. As the lower population's players log in, the higher population can then get in through the queue more consistently.

It would encourage those one faction zergblobs to split up amongst the three factions for some balanced fighting or be forced to twiddle their thumbs in Rawlkha waiting for someone to log out.

zyk wrote: »

I think the history of online gaming has shown that a general playerbase can't be expected to balance populations. In my experience playing games online, most players will join the winning team if given the choice. That's why so many games have -- including pro sports -- have balancing mechanisms.

ESO is so alt-friendly now, most enthusiasts have this choice. It doesn't take long for characters to be leveled and competitive. Look at how quickly WRX and Stalker achieved emp with their brand new Wardens during the first week of 3.0.

AD NA Vivec is in very bad shape which has caused a lot of good players to either avoid AvA or play for other factions, and exacerbating the problem.

We need @ZOS_BrianWheeler and his team to come up with solutions if this is ever to be solved.

What about players like myself?



Are you serious going to sit here and tell us. To either go away? Or go play on a faction of *** bags who completely disrespect anyone who is not in their exclusive little elitist guild club. And expect others to take you seriously?

Here is a bit of advice. Stop pissing off your new-blood. Maybe then they will be more inclined to stay and play on your side. Rather then deal with yall BS for a week or so before deciding to reroll to a more friendlier and accepting faction. Then maybe yall wouldn't have to make threads of this nature. Am I right?

How can you expect a faction to be able to control every single one of their members? I have a ton of people from AD on ignore and life is much better.

Nermy

Had this mentioned to me the other day, can we have a weekend campaign? One that just opens on a Friday pm and closes on Sunday pm?

There'd be no night-capping as for most of us it's the weekend. It would be short and sweet and therefore very exciting.

Just an idea.

@Brian_Wheeler