I am Pissed off about morrowind not part of plus!

Sigma957

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

Time to get over it lol ZOS updated the plan so that any dlc not in the crown store is not covered by the eso+ membership. Next year around this time will be another "chapter" that is not covered by the sub.

My main reason for subbing is to get the dlc I pay monthly fee to support the game I should get the dlc.
I pay crowns bought with real money I should be able to buy what i the dlc.
My crowns are pretty much worthless now.
Like I said I will prob sell out the 50 bucks because it think ESO is the MMO out there right now BUT I DO FEEL I am being screwed over by marketing.
Although prob in a year or so Morrowind will probably put on the crown store just like the imperial up grade but by then Zmax with have my money.

We are all in the same boat that has shelled out money. I think it was around $100 au that I spent on the the digital collectors edition and will do so again next year. This is the only time have to do so all the rest will be "free" in the eso+ plan and yes I am an eso+ member too

ShedsHisTail

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

If you think you're upset about this now, just wait...

I can't confirm this, but I suspect, and very much expect, that any and all "free" DLC that come out following a "Chapter" release will require the purchase of said Chapter in order to get the full experience out of it.

Like I've said elsewhere, people are complaining about locked doors in Morrowind; I'm not too worried about it because I'm willing to bet an upcoming DLC will unlock some of them. Anyone who hasn't purchased Morrowind won't benefit from that at all. Chapters are almost certainly going to become pay-walls.

I personally have no beef with this because I love Elder Scrolls and have some disposable income; but I expect a number of folk will be displeased in the near future.

I hope that's not the case but also why I mentioned the other comment about what if eso plus changed how some dlc features worked and made them like the crafting bag

It, almost, inevitably has to be the case.

Coggage

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I am pissed off about the way they are marketing Morrowind!
First it's not part of plus like every other expansion they put out.

You'd have hated Everquest! What was it... 14 expansions? There were so many I've forgotten, and none were free even when the game was a subscription game

Agobi

Sigma957 wrote: »

Time to get over it lol ZOS updated the plan so that any dlc not in the crown store is not covered by the eso+ membership. Next year around this time will be another "chapter" that is not covered by the sub.

And we will get the same bajillion forumthreads all whining about the fact,before,during and after....oh the joy

Bouldercleave

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Morrowind is the only expansion this game has. The others are DLC

They just call an expansion so they can justify charging more for it....not much different from orcinium
It's just a Cash GRAB and marketing is seeing if they can get away with it

You seem to love the term "Cash Grab". It's a great talking point to soapbox from, but what business isn't a Cash Grab?

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt that you would be willing to do it for free.

Talon_Draconis

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Morrowind is the only expansion this game has. The others are DLC

They just call an expansion so they can justify charging more for it....not much different from orcinium
It's just a Cash GRAB and marketing is seeing if they can get away with it

You seem to love the term "Cash Grab". It's a great talking point to soapbox from, but what business isn't a Cash Grab?

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt that you would be willing to do it for free.

I don't expect it for free I pay a sub...or willing to spend crowns on it....What I am pissed about is they are pretty well forcing me to pay for the game again...50 bucks cash....while I spent 100s already on this game it make me feel like I an being ripped off!
I wont quit YET but make me feel being screwed over by Zmax and increase my dissatisfaction level with the company.

Troneon

Only white knights defend this kind of crap, they lied, everyone knows it, ZOS knows it, no one cares and it will happen again and again. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ESO PLUS = ACCESS TO ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT

Nope they changed it....even after saying ESO Plus would mean you never have to pay extra again for content....

Complete BS....like everything that comes out of ZOS's mouth.

ShedsHisTail

Troneon wrote: »

Only white knights defend this kind of crap, they lied, everyone knows it, ZOS knows it, no one cares and it will happen again and again. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ESO PLUS = ACCESS TO ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT

Nope they changed it....even after saying ESO Plus would mean you never have to pay extra again for content....

Complete BS....like everything that comes out of ZOS's mouth.

Everything in the Crown Store is downloadable content too, are you saying subs should get all that for free as well? All the costumes, and houses, and motifs, and consumables...

grizzledcroc

It wouldnt be so bad if it actually felt like a xpac

Talon_Draconis

Troneon wrote: »

Only white knights defend this kind of crap, they lied, everyone knows it, ZOS knows it, no one cares and it will happen again and again. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ESO PLUS = ACCESS TO ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT

Nope they changed it....even after saying ESO Plus would mean you never have to pay extra again for content....

Complete BS....like everything that comes out of ZOS's mouth.

Yup I agree!
And I am even willing to pay for it with crowns but they want another $50 cash from me that is what got me pissed!

Talon_Draconis

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Only white knights defend this kind of crap, they lied, everyone knows it, ZOS knows it, no one cares and it will happen again and again. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ESO PLUS = ACCESS TO ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT

Nope they changed it....even after saying ESO Plus would mean you never have to pay extra again for content....

Complete BS....like everything that comes out of ZOS's mouth.

Everything in the Crown Store is downloadable content too, are you saying subs should get all that for free as well? All the costumes, and houses, and motifs, and consumables...

Well they do give us a allowance of crowns to spend so yes everything in the store would eventaly be free if you are willing to spend your crowns of crap

TigerSeptim

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of us to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

I'm not buying any more crowns, and I'm going to try and make my way across Tamriel before shelling out $40-60 for a ticket to Vvardenfell, because, frankly, this expansion is not Morrowind and probably won't even include Jeremy Soule's music. I want to support him too.

ShedsHisTail

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Only white knights defend this kind of crap, they lied, everyone knows it, ZOS knows it, no one cares and it will happen again and again. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ESO PLUS = ACCESS TO ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT

Nope they changed it....even after saying ESO Plus would mean you never have to pay extra again for content....

Complete BS....like everything that comes out of ZOS's mouth.

Everything in the Crown Store is downloadable content too, are you saying subs should get all that for free as well? All the costumes, and houses, and motifs, and consumables...

Well they do give us a allowance of crowns to spend so yes everything in the store would eventaly be free if you are willing to spend your crowns of crap

No it wouldn't... They've got a mount up there that costs multiple months allowance, not to mentioned homes, and the fact that they ad new stuff all the time. You'd never catch up.

acw37162

You've had almost a year to get over it.

They gave you a bunch a lead time. If you still subscribing and just not becoming a pissed off forum warrior it rings kinda hallow.

Talon_Draconis

TigerSeptim wrote: »

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of use to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

Like Blizzard and Diablo
Like I said I love ESO but feeling verry pissed about Morrowind

ShedsHisTail

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

TigerSeptim wrote: »

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of use to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

Like Blizzard and Diablo
Like I said I love ESO but feeling verry pissed about Morrowind

Pretty sure Diablo doesn't require a subscription... If it did, then I've been stealing it for years...

Talon_Draconis

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

TigerSeptim wrote: »

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of use to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

Like Blizzard and Diablo
Like I said I love ESO but feeling verry pissed about Morrowind

Pretty sure Diablo doesn't require a subscription... If it did, then I've been stealing it for years...

No but you have to play on battlenet....and who knows ...shss don't give them Ideas

ShedsHisTail

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

TigerSeptim wrote: »

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of use to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

Like Blizzard and Diablo
Like I said I love ESO but feeling verry pissed about Morrowind

Pretty sure Diablo doesn't require a subscription... If it did, then I've been stealing it for years...

No but you have to play on battlenet....and who knows ...shss don't give them Ideas

Well, I mean, if they haven't by now I don't think they're gonna start charging for Diablo.

Talon_Draconis

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

TigerSeptim wrote: »

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of use to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

Like Blizzard and Diablo
Like I said I love ESO but feeling verry pissed about Morrowind

Pretty sure Diablo doesn't require a subscription... If it did, then I've been stealing it for years...

No but you have to play on battlenet....and who knows ...shss don't give them Ideas

Well, I mean, if they haven't by now I don't think they're gonna start charging for Diablo.

I gues they are satisfied with the 80+ million they get from wow every month

ShedsHisTail

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

TigerSeptim wrote: »

So... why is nobody talking boycotts? Possibly because, despite the crap Zenimax tries to pull, we still love Tamriel and don't want to give it up. Let's just pray they don't find a way of making the single-player games subscription-based- they have the money, talent and technology to do just that.

Let us also pray that they don't require all of use to play ESO on Steam/Bethesda.net. <> Because in addition to money, corporations love having control.

Like Blizzard and Diablo
Like I said I love ESO but feeling verry pissed about Morrowind

Pretty sure Diablo doesn't require a subscription... If it did, then I've been stealing it for years...

No but you have to play on battlenet....and who knows ...shss don't give them Ideas

Well, I mean, if they haven't by now I don't think they're gonna start charging for Diablo.

I gues they are satisfied with the 80+ million they get from wow every month

Yeah, well, when all your players pay a monthly subscription cost you can afford nice things.

Magic_Doogies

ZOS literally spent months stating that this was an expansion and not crown store bought and y'all still crying.
What's better it that ZOS every other week puts up mounts and skins for the price of a new game ever other week and that's fine.
But they finally make a product actually worth $40 and people are making a stand for corporate greed.
Where was this outrage for ICP expansion? Where for months the best gear in the game was behind a paywall?

ShedsHisTail

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

Where was this outrage for ICP expansion? Where for months the best gear in the game was behind a paywall?

I remember it. It was there.

staracino_ESO

They are slowly adding fluff to ESO+ (craft bag, double bank) so that it will not sting as bad when they remove DLC access entirely from it. They want you to NEED those perks so that you are okay with losing the DLC. Don't let it happen.

Also:

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Megabear

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I am pissed off about the way they are marketing Morrowind!
First it's not part of plus like every other expansion they put out.
I can live with the cash grab but really pisses me off is that you can't buy it with Crowns!
Expansions are the only thing worth buying in the crown store.
If they get away with this every expatiation will require you to pay cash for.
Then main reason I pay plus every month is to get the dlc and eventual buy it with crowns!

Yeah, it's a DLC but they can call it Expansion and basically take it away from subscribers. Plus they can market it as new-ish (complete edition?) to potential new buyers.

Heroeric1337

Cash grab?? This game has been around for what, 2 to 3 years now, and this is the first expansion they release since then...any other popular MMO would have had a handful out by now...This isnt a cash grab in the slightest