Magplar or mag warden (DPS)

klowdy1

I'm having a difficult time choosing between continuing with my magicka templar, or to move forward with my magicka warden. I am looking at DPSing for now, and their levels are 28 and 11 respectively.

I like the magplar because even with if I run with dual staves, it still has a melee caster feel with the jabs, but I like the perma pet aspect of the warden (as far as leveling goes). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

SydneyGrey

I made two new characters this past week, one warden (stamina) and one templar (magicka). I'm having fun with both. They're really both awesome in their own ways. I wish I'd made the warden as a magicka character, though, and I'm considering changing her. Really, the only reason she became a stam toon is because I wanted to try playing an Imperial, and they don't get any magicka bonuses.
My templar is an Orc, so LOL! Not sure how viable he'll be for end-game content, but he's a lot of fun to play at the moment.

As far as the warden goes, they're a lot of fun, too. I chose to specialize in animal magic, with some limited healing ability. With a magicka character, you could do animal magic, healing, or ice magic ... whatever you want.
(I don't think the ice magic has any stamina morphs, but I concede that I could be wrong and I'm too lazy to look it up right now.)

goldnugget

dps? be a sorc. no other option really.

strikeback1247

Just an fyi: magwarden dps is absolute garbage in pve (worse than nightblades), but they are really fun to play in pvp.

goldnugget

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Just an fyi: magwarden dps is absolute garbage in pve (worse than nightblades), but they are really fun to play in pvp.

people say this because all the dps tests were done on pts. actually it got a massive buff day 1 of release on pc. its very bad compared to every other class, but not lower than nightblade.

Iselin

goldnugget wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Just an fyi: magwarden dps is absolute garbage in pve (worse than nightblades), but they are really fun to play in pvp.

people say this because all the dps tests were done on pts. actually it got a massive buff day 1 of release on pc. its very bad compared to every other class, but not lower than nightblade.

They got a buff but there was nothing massive about it. They still need a 10-20% boost, could really use an execute... something like Dive and its morphs doing increased damage against mobs under 20% health. It's nice that the bear ultimate has a built in execute but it also need a spammable one not one that you can typically only use once on the burn phase against a boss.

The stamina variant needs some special reason for being stamina based, not just a few token and underwhelming morphs. Take Dive for example. The magicka morph does extra damage at long distance while the stamina morph does nothing extra. That's poor design for a morph. Likewise the morphs of impaling shards. One of them bases damage on your health pool which is nice for tanks and the other one off your magicka. That second one could easily base its damage off the higher of magicka or stamina and that would make it worth slotting for stam wardens.

I have no doubt that the class will get a lot of tweaks over the coming months just like all classes have over time but right now it definitely needs more of a DPS buff.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

Atm i can parse on a 3mil dummy 40k with my magplar. The highest i saw on a warden dps is 24k and that was done by alcast. Magplar.

Vaoh

Magicka Templar.

Absolutely choose a Magicka Templar.

Magicka Warden is currently the worst DPS in the game and not by a little bit.

Juli'St

NO one to PvP.

Stamina is superior in all.

ZOS HATE magclasses

Voxicity

Juli'St wrote: »

NO one to PvP.

Stamina is superior in all.

ZOS HATE magclasses

just lol

Juli'St

'the terrible true' :S

klowdy1

Thanks for the responses. I knew about the low warden dps, and the day1 buff, I just wanted to get some feedback from others on the matter.

F7sus4

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka Templar.

Absolutely choose a Magicka Templar.

Magicka Warden is currently the worst DPS in the game and not by a little bit.

Believe me. This guy knows what he said. So let me bold that for everyone still seeking the answer.

Vaoh

F7sus4 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka Templar.

Absolutely choose a Magicka Templar.

Magicka Warden is currently the worst DPS in the game and not by a little bit.

Believe me. This guy knows what he said. So let me bold that for everyone still seeking the answer.

The sad part is I am probably the most devoted player on this game rn to creating a way for Magicka Warden put out viable DPS. Just need to wait for June 6th so I can permanently main the class

klowdy1

Vaoh wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka Templar.

Absolutely choose a Magicka Templar.

Magicka Warden is currently the worst DPS in the game and not by a little bit.

Believe me. This guy knows what he said. So let me bold that for everyone still seeking the answer.

The sad part is I am probably the most devoted player on this game rn to creating a way for Magicka Warden put out viable DPS. Just need to wait for June 6th so I can permanently main the class

Their balancing will be ongoing for all classes. I'm sure magward will be brought in line with the rest.

Gaden.Phoenix

I have been trying to get better dps from the warden. I might be a new player but no matter how I cut, I cannot see how to boost the dps of my magicka warden to near my magicka templar.

The skills are really resource heavy and mostly damage lacking. Also unlike the Templar, the Warden skills "cooldown" times don't sync and are all over the place. Makes for an interesting adhoc rotation.

ADarklore

I think one of the biggest problems with MagDen's are they keep trying to play them like a Sorc, or a Templar... but Warden is neither. If you look at the skillset, particularly the damage skills, they are meant to be played as a mobile AoE/DoT character. One of the skills I see very few players using it Bird of Prey... it not only offers the Warden survivability through mobility but also increases damage by 8%. I see far too many players using Cliff Racer, which IMO is one of the worst Warden skills to use. I can lay down very high damage with three skills and in between those skills I light/heavy attack and MOVE to keep out of harm's way, allowing my bear to tank for me.

Further evidence of the Warden meant to be mobile class... look at Deep Fissure, one of the hardest hitting abilities the Warden has. It takes three seconds to activate, but you can move around during those three seconds, and as long as you put your target reticle back on the target before the three seconds are up, you will connect. Unlike so many DoT/AoE abilities that are static- upon activation are set in place- Deep Fissure allows for mobility and enemy movement compensation.

The three skills I use are Deep Fissure, Winter's Revenge and Elemental Blockade. I also have Leeching Vines and Bird of Prey on my primary bar... secondary bar is Blue Betty (20% spell damage buff), Ice Fortress (extra protection and damage mitigation), Lotus Blossom (extra crit and additional healing), Fetcher Infection for higher health targets, and Enchanted Growth (burst heal).

Most of the time I see people complaining about lack of DPS but they never mention what skills their using, buffs, rotation, etc. In real world observations of other Warden players, I see few taking advantage of the BoP mobility/damage buff and most of them simply launching Cliff Racer while standing in place like a MagSorc. Wardens are NOT MagSorcs and should not be played like one unless you want poor DPS.

All of this is "IMO" but also based upon my own experience and observations. Now, I don't do 'end game' content or PvP, so I don't care about min/maxing or 'competing' with anyone else.

Draqone

ADarklore wrote: »

All of this is "IMO" but also based upon my own experience and observations. Now, I don't do 'end game' content or PvP, so I don't care about min/maxing or 'competing' with anyone else.

This is an excellent post. Of course, trial settings enforce their own limitations (nothing I hate more as a healer than a mobile DD) but what you said is spot on.

stileanima

I think that a lot of people think that Magicka Warden is in a lot worse state than it actually is. Granted, it's not pumping out numbers that a Sorc can, for example, but it can certainly comfortably parse well over 35k in a raid scenario.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347997/magicka-warden-pve-dps-hows-it-looking-for-you-and-can-we-make-it-work-in-its-current-state

In this thread you will find a few parses, all but one of which were completed with only ele drain and synergies to proc my set bonus. No raid buffs at all.

Again, I understand these numbers aren't the best, but they're not as disgustingly awful as a lot of folks seem to think this class can achieve. Do I think this class needs some love from the devs? Absolutely. But I also feel that others shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it, even in its current state.

Edit - Magicka Warden to the player base:

MLGProPlayer

stileanima wrote: »

I think that a lot of people think that Magicka Warden is in a lot worse state than it actually is. Granted, it's not pumping out numbers that a Sorc can, for example, but it can certainly comfortably parse well over 35k in a raid scenario.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347997/magicka-warden-pve-dps-hows-it-looking-for-you-and-can-we-make-it-work-in-its-current-state

In this thread you will find a few parses, all but one of which were completed with only ele drain and synergies to proc my set bonus. No raid buffs at all.

Again, I understand these numbers aren't the best, but they're not as disgustingly awful as a lot of folks seem to think this class can achieve. Do I think this class needs some love from the devs? Absolutely. But I also feel that others shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it, even in its current state.

Edit - Magicka Warden to the player base:

The problem is you need the bear to reach those numbers, while other classes can reach (and even exceed) that DPS with proper AOE ults, like ele storm and meteor. And the bear is useless in a trial.

DrPain

I've found on my magward that getting your cast order right is key as you do have some time between the cast and the damage. But get it right and the burst damage is nice. It's different to play and makes you work for it but it's fun.

Gorilla

Gaden.Phoenix wrote: »

I have been trying to get better dps from the warden. I might be a new player but no matter how I cut, I cannot see how to boost the dps of my magicka warden to near my magicka templar.

The skills are really resource heavy and mostly damage lacking. Also unlike the Templar, the Warden skills "cooldown" times don't sync and are all over the place. Makes for an interesting adhoc rotation.

I just rolled a magplar last week so only lvl 30, but have played NB and Sorc for year+...What I find fund about the templar is the pace in part because the rotations do seem to meld quite well.

MLGProPlayer

Gorilla wrote: »

Gaden.Phoenix wrote: »

I have been trying to get better dps from the warden. I might be a new player but no matter how I cut, I cannot see how to boost the dps of my magicka warden to near my magicka templar.

The skills are really resource heavy and mostly damage lacking. Also unlike the Templar, the Warden skills "cooldown" times don't sync and are all over the place. Makes for an interesting adhoc rotation.

I just rolled a magplar last week so only lvl 30, but have played NB and Sorc for year+...What I find fund about the templar is the pace in part because the rotations do seem to meld quite well.

I mained magplar until warden came out, but my biggest complaint was how spammy the class was. 80% of the fight is spent spamming jabs (with some dots sprinkled in between). 20% is spent spamming radiant destruction.

Having said that, magplar is noticeably stronger than magwarden (I just enjoy the magwarden archetype and play style more).