Major mending 1 tic of vigor..... battle roar is weak now.. burning heart? I do like nox. breath but its a dot ... magicka sink was nerfed 70%...
I'm asking you to explain why you think StamSorc has better healing and better burst than StamDK. I already understand that a couple of StamDK abilities were nerfed.
Sorc - Dark Deal, Crit Surge, (Vigor, Rally)
DK - (Vigor that is 12% stronger then sorcs) Major mending is 2.5 secs which last only the first tic of vigor .... If your magicka this means little because you can hit Dragon Blood afterwards easily....
Keep in mind that crit surg heals about as much as vigor by its self... Also keep in mind that dark deal heals and gives you back your stam lol ... plus they uses rally and vigor... my stam Sorc has 4 slots of heals
I love my DK but my Stam Sorc is a better toon atm....
Stam Sorc has higher weapon damage overall.... because of the passive healing and dark deal you can drop your stam recovery for weapon damage and (procs ) ... My sorc just hits harder... Now the only exception is when leap is up...
A DK at the moment is forced to build for ult-regen which is costing them weapon damage overall...
A recent build for a DK (Kodi) is a ultimate regen build comes in just over 2k weapon damage.... 2800 stam regen
My current Stam Sorc is 4k weapon damage and 1800 Stam regen.... 2 Procs on the first hit ...
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
Major mending 1 tic of vigor..... battle roar is weak now.. burning heart? I do like nox. breath but its a dot ... magicka sink was nerfed 70%...
I'm asking you to explain why you think StamSorc has better healing and better burst than StamDK. I already understand that a couple of StamDK abilities were nerfed.
Sorc - Dark Deal, Crit Surge, (Vigor, Rally)
DK - (Vigor that is 12% stronger then sorcs) Major mending is 2.5 secs which last only the first tic of vigor .... If your magicka this means little because you can hit Dragon Blood afterwards easily....
Keep in mind that crit surg heals about as much as vigor by its self... Also keep in mind that dark deal heals and gives you back your stam lol ... plus they uses rally and vigor... my stam Sorc has 4 slots of heals
I love my DK but my Stam Sorc is a better toon atm....
Stam Sorc has higher weapon damage overall.... because of the passive healing and dark deal you can drop your stam recovery for weapon damage and (procs ) ... My sorc just hits harder... Now the only exception is when leap is up...
A DK at the moment is forced to build for ult-regen which is costing them weapon damage overall...
A recent build for a DK (Kodi) is a ultimate regen build comes in just over 2k weapon damage.... 2800 stam regen
My current Stam Sorc is 4k weapon damage and 1800 Stam regen.... 2 Procs on the first hit ...
It's not all about weapon damage (though my BG build comes in at over 3.5k weapon damage anyway). Major Fracture is a huuuuuuge DPS gain which Stam Sorc doesn't have access to. Also, more ultimate uptime = more DPS.
They're different classes and they play differently. But Stam DK is strong.
Major mending 1 tic of vigor..... battle roar is weak now.. burning heart? I do like nox. breath but its a dot ... magicka sink was nerfed 70%...
I'm asking you to explain why you think StamSorc has better healing and better burst than StamDK. I already understand that a couple of StamDK abilities were nerfed.
Sorc - Dark Deal, Crit Surge, (Vigor, Rally)
DK - (Vigor that is 12% stronger then sorcs) Major mending is 2.5 secs which last only the first tic of vigor .... If your magicka this means little because you can hit Dragon Blood afterwards easily....
Keep in mind that crit surg heals about as much as vigor by its self... Also keep in mind that dark deal heals and gives you back your stam lol ... plus they uses rally and vigor... my stam Sorc has 4 slots of heals
I love my DK but my Stam Sorc is a better toon atm....
Stam Sorc has higher weapon damage overall.... because of the passive healing and dark deal you can drop your stam recovery for weapon damage and (procs ) ... My sorc just hits harder... Now the only exception is when leap is up...
A DK at the moment is forced to build for ult-regen which is costing them weapon damage overall...
A recent build for a DK (Kodi) is a ultimate regen build comes in just over 2k weapon damage.... 2800 stam regen
My current Stam Sorc is 4k weapon damage and 1800 Stam regen.... 2 Procs on the first hit ...
It's not all about weapon damage (though my BG build comes in at over 3.5k weapon damage anyway). Major Fracture is a huuuuuuge DPS gain which Stam Sorc doesn't have access to. Also, more ultimate uptime = more DPS.
They're different classes and they play differently. But Stam DK is strong.
Major fracture is about 8 to 10% more damage ... which is big .. My BG DK is built around ult regen .. The DK leap ultimate I really like you cant dodge it and you can heavy attack with it and good things happen.... I agree with you on the DK ultimate but overall we are in a much weaker place ....
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
Major mending 1 tic of vigor..... battle roar is weak now.. burning heart? I do like nox. breath but its a dot ... magicka sink was nerfed 70%...
I'm asking you to explain why you think StamSorc has better healing and better burst than StamDK. I already understand that a couple of StamDK abilities were nerfed.
Sorc - Dark Deal, Crit Surge, (Vigor, Rally)
DK - (Vigor that is 12% stronger then sorcs) Major mending is 2.5 secs which last only the first tic of vigor .... If your magicka this means little because you can hit Dragon Blood afterwards easily....
Keep in mind that crit surg heals about as much as vigor by its self... Also keep in mind that dark deal heals and gives you back your stam lol ... plus they uses rally and vigor... my stam Sorc has 4 slots of heals
I love my DK but my Stam Sorc is a better toon atm....
Stam Sorc has higher weapon damage overall.... because of the passive healing and dark deal you can drop your stam recovery for weapon damage and (procs ) ... My sorc just hits harder... Now the only exception is when leap is up...
A DK at the moment is forced to build for ult-regen which is costing them weapon damage overall...
A recent build for a DK (Kodi) is a ultimate regen build comes in just over 2k weapon damage.... 2800 stam regen
My current Stam Sorc is 4k weapon damage and 1800 Stam regen.... 2 Procs on the first hit ...
It's not all about weapon damage (though my BG build comes in at over 3.5k weapon damage anyway). Major Fracture is a huuuuuuge DPS gain which Stam Sorc doesn't have access to. Also, more ultimate uptime = more DPS.
They're different classes and they play differently. But Stam DK is strong.
Major fracture is about 8 to 10% more damage ... which is big .. My BG DK is built around ult regen .. The DK leap ultimate I really like you cant dodge it and you can heavy attack with it and good things happen.... I agree with you on the DK ultimate but overall we are in a much weaker place ....
yeah, 8-10% more damage is huge. I don't know the exact conversion rate, but I'm guessing that's the equivalent of quite a lot of weapon damage.
Again, each of the Stam Classes have strengths and weaknesses. Stamplar has the best damage, but the worst sustain. StamSorc has good damage and great sustain, but weaker healing. DK has solid damage and really good healing, but its sustain is tied to ultimate generation and usage.
That's why I think the stam variations are all in a really good place right now. Every class has a competitive pvp stam spec. And each of those specs is kinda unique.
Magicka balance is waaaaay more out of whack.
Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Stamina DK is really strong in PvP.
Stamina Sorc is really strong in PvP.
Stamina Nightblade is really strong in PvP.
Stamina DK is really strong in PvP. You just need a working build.
There was a lot of knee jerk reaction to the Morrowind patch notes and those swearing stam dk was dead - its not. the last minute change to igneous shields literally saved the class.
fought against kodi last night in BGs and he PI > HA > DL > Executioner and it was over. I hadnt seen that kind of burst in a while.
One thing is for sure: I will NEVER let this forum community sway my opinion over patch noted ever again.
things like:
Stamplar is dead
StamDK is dead
Stam cannot compete in PvE Endgame
Magplar is dead
Sustain is dead
^^^ This was all garbage doomsaying. the opposite of whats listed is true in every single point.
Our pvp guild s moving away from magic builds intentionally. Since we do well I won't argue. Stam doesn't compete well in pve but in pvp it does and stam DK is very strong.
Stam doesn't compete well in pve but in pvp it does and stam DK is very strong.
Stam doesn't compete well in pve but in pvp it does and stam DK is very strong.
This is not an accurate statement. there are increasing reports that stamina builds can and are reaching low 40s dps and in fact stamdk and stamplar are out performing magsorc single target dps.
the issue the 1% is falling back to now is that sure they can hit the numbers but their survivability is worse than a magicka user. and now thats getting debunked by the high health max shields dk tank builds.
so stam is competitive all around. everywhere. no one can complain. it was all doomsaying.
there were no changes to heavy attack. it does LESS damage but returns more resources?? is that waht you mean? and major mending is 2.5 seconds, and you only get one tick of vigor with it. like, there was NOT that many changes to stam DK to suddenly make it "in a good place". it always was.