This is not an expansion. Zos greed is killing this game.

Jtj87

I love this game and have supported it for awhile but where is the content? It's basically orsinium with a new trial and battlegrounds. We need more dungeons, more variety of things to do and there is only 2 public dungeons in the new area? I mean the story in morrowind is nice but when that's over what next? Run the same dungeons over and over and try a new trial? I can't help the feeling of being ripped off. I am sure there is content that should have been included with morrowind that will be scretched out along the rest of 2017 and then we will get the same thing in 2018. If you want to justify charging 40 or 60 bucks for a "Chapter" and call it an expansion then add an entire new continent just for end game so veterans have something to do. Stop adding these areas with barely anything to do in them once the story is over.

Turelus

Welcome to the gaming industry in 2017, you must be new here.

As for ZOS calling this an expansion rather than a DLC for more money, yeah you're right. If the cost is not worth it to you wait until sales and pick it up then, because I hate to break it to you but ZOS/Bethesda/Zenimax/the entire gaming industry ain't changing because we make some mad forums posts.

If that worked things would have changed years ago.

Kiralyn2000

Even ignoring the rest of the post...

Jtj87 wrote: »

then add an entire new continent just for end game so veterans have something to do.

...that's not going to happen, given the whole "One Tamriel/everything scales/etc" direction they took the game. (And, unless you just mean "for people at level cap", I can't think of any MMO 'expansion' that was 'just for endgame veterans'. Even MMOs with a big raiding scene, know that they have to put out content for all the players, not just the vet/trial/raider crowd. They may get a lot of the press, but they're only a small fraction of the playerbase.)

Zolron

What exactly is worth it now a days ?? Going to a 2 hr movie for $15 ? Going to a 3 1/2 hr sporting event for $50 to $100 ?? Entertainment is overpriced for what we get these days but that's a product of today's greedy corporate/entertainment society.
As much as I think all these things are overpriced I still enjoy them immensely. Life is short enjoy it and quit whining about our First World Problems

DMuehlhausen

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Zolron wrote: »

What exactly is worth it now a days ?? Going to a 2 hr movie for $15 ? Going to a 3 1/2 hr sporting event for $50 to $100 ?? Entertainment is overpriced for what we get these days but that's a product of today's greedy corporate/entertainment society.
As much as I think all these things are overpriced I still enjoy them immensely. Life is short enjoy it and quit whining about our First World Problems

Despite all it's flaws, the gaming industry still provides the cheapest entertainment (per hour) you can buy.

Stormahawk

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

WoW expansions typically added several raids (introduced over time) and a whole continent with multiple zones. They also provided a FREE character slot whenever a class was added in an expansion, something ZOS failed to do with the warden release. WoW also handed out dozens of pets and mounts in expansions as drops or achievements or a reward for attaining a certain reputation level with an NPC faction (which once again ZOS doesn't do this, gotta use the cash shop). Overall, WoW expansions are a much better value with tons of content, and are the reason why WoW has been around for so long.

Aliniel

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

DO NOT compare WoW to ESO. I stopped playing it a long time ago and I'm not planning to return there but for $60 (subscription aside) you get so much more than this "chapter".

Everstorm

Expansions in the early days of Everquest sure provided more content, but they didn't have the quality of graphics that we have these days, and no voice overs and all that oh-shiny stuff we take for granted now. But back then we also didn't have buy to play options, membership was the only way. When I read these forums I often get the idea that there are a lot of people who get offended by the very idea that ZOS is not a non-profit organisation run by volunteers......

Epona222

My advice, don't rush through new content as though there are ravenous rabid bears behind you. (Same can be said of any game, what was the Skyrim dev speed run time again? of the ones for FO3 or FO4?) I've barely got started yet, and I expect we paid the same amount of money for the same content.

BuddyAces

I waited till the last minute to buy and I'm glad I bought it. I came back to the game in 1T update and as much as I've bitched about decisions, I absolutely love what they've done and it's worth every penny I've spent. There's no excuse to *** and moan about content if you bought it because everyone knew what was included in this expac.

BlackSparrow

"Shadows of the Hist is not a full DLC because it's only two dungeons!"

"Dark Brotherhood is not a full DLC because it only takes a couple hours to complete!"

"Homestead is not a full base game update because all it contains is a bunch of cosmetic houses!"

We get this with every quarterly content release. Every. Single. One.

No, this is not literally world-changing like a WoW expansion, but between the new, super-sized zone, the new class, and Battlegrounds, it is certainly more significant than "Orsinium with a volcano" like some people are claiming. Remember what income model they're working with and what rate new content comes out. Remember that they have to please the endgame players and the newbies, the PvPers and the cosmetics junkies, the roleplayers and the theorycrafters. Not all content is going to be specifically targeted at you, but that doesn't mean there's not a lot of content there.

The problem with content creation in a game like this is that devs are never, ever going to be able to keep up with the players, because it takes longer to develop content than it does to play it. Every single dungeon that you burn through in five minutes took multiple people hours to design, write, voice act, and program. If they gave you two more dungeons, you'd be complaining that there were "only four public dungeons" instead of "only two." Designing an entirely new continent would take the amount of time and money that it took to design Morrowind x 10 or so... years of development time, and then you'd burn through that in maybe a month, and then demand they create another new continent, and that they not take so long this time.

Content is finite. That's just a fact of MMOs. Either find a way to adjust to that (personally, I suggest lots of alts ) or try taking a break to play something else for a while.

DHale

ZOS is a business here to make money... welcome to the real world. No one is forcing you to buy it though.

Cillion3117

New zone and new class counts as expanding the game.

BuddyAces

BlackSparrow wrote: »

"Shadows of the Hist is not a full DLC because it's only two dungeons!"

"Dark Brotherhood is not a full DLC because it only takes a couple hours to complete!"

"Homestead is not a full base game update because all it contains is a bunch of cosmetic houses!"

We get this with every quarterly content release. Every. Single. One.

No, this is not literally world-changing like a WoW expansion, but between the new, super-sized zone, the new class, and Battlegrounds, it is certainly more significant than "Orsinium with a volcano" like some people are claiming. Remember what income model they're working with and what rate new content comes out. Remember that they have to please the endgame players and the newbies, the PvPers and the cosmetics junkies, the roleplayers and the theorycrafters. Not all content is going to be specifically targeted at you, but that doesn't mean there's not a lot of content there.

The problem with content creation in a game like this is that devs are never, ever going to be able to keep up with the players, because it takes longer to develop content than it does to play it. Every single dungeon that you burn through in five minutes took multiple people hours to design, write, voice act, and program. If they gave you two more dungeons, you'd be complaining that there were "only four public dungeons" instead of "only two." Designing an entirely new continent would take the amount of time and money that it took to design Morrowind x 10 or so... years of development time, and then you'd burn through that in maybe a month, and then demand they create another new continent, and that they not take so long this time.

Content is finite. That's just a fact of MMOs. Either find a way to adjust to that (personally, I suggest lots of alts ) or try taking a break to play something else for a while.

I'm glad someone sees things the same way I do. Have some cool internet points and a cookie from me.

OdinForge

It isn't an expansion, and it was obvious at the start. I took one look around Vvardenfell on the PTS day one and knew I wouldn't buy it just for Battlegrounds or a class.

The base patch isn't that bad though, it's not a train-wreck like Thieves Guild or as bad as One Tamriel.

Fiskerton

an entirely new class isn't an expansion?

luen79rwb17_ESO

It's a "chapter" guys! Not an expansion! I believe we'll get an "encyclopaedia" on top of the "chapter" next year for an extra 50$

Valkysas154

Nostalgia, One of the only saving graces this wannabe expansion has
Don't get me wrong i enjoy the new area and quests -had none left be for mw, But it's missing something huge imo and that's called charector progression there is NONE we have things taken away from us instead that's not a good model for a expansion i would give it a 4/10 at best

No new skills
No new world Skills
Good crafting set's
spell crafting

Just take 2 of them and place them in MW and it would of been allot better

Minno

Idk why if people don't like something, they just don't but it.

Ask yourselves this:
- do I NEED this dlc?

if you answered"no" then don't buy it. If you answered 'yes' then buy it. Simple.

DMuehlhausen

Stormahawk wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

WoW expansions typically added several raids (introduced over time) and a whole continent with multiple zones. They also provided a FREE character slot whenever a class was added in an expansion, something ZOS failed to do with the warden release. WoW also handed out dozens of pets and mounts in expansions as drops or achievements or a reward for attaining a certain reputation level with an NPC faction (which once again ZOS doesn't do this, gotta use the cash shop). Overall, WoW expansions are a much better value with tons of content, and are the reason why WoW has been around for so long.

Like you said raids added over time. I'm sure they will put another Trial possibly.

I admit the character slot is a little shady, but other than that it's the same to a point.

There aren't really factions, or at least faction standing you can change in this game so there isn't a point for the pets and mounts so that's why you don't get them.

DMuehlhausen

Aliniel wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

DO NOT compare WoW to ESO. I stopped playing it a long time ago and I'm not planning to return there but for $60 (subscription aside) you get so much more than this "chapter".

I'll compare whatever I want, specially in a case like this where it's relevant.

They are the same Genre and release expansions. Depending on what you like to get from an MMO or an expansion Blizzard gives more most of the time, but it's like ESO is just giving you a volcano to look at and charging money. The quests are better. The lore is so much deeper and feels more organic than WoWs. So on Morrowind is a better expansion.

If you enjoy achievements and pets and cosmetics then the recent WoW expansions are probably better.

idk

Everyone has an opinion.

I like the expansion. Think it's a good expansion. I also think it's an expansion that probably a little more than Orsinium. Orsiniuk didn't have houses for starters.

grizzledcroc

I expected more quests than orsinium not less xD . As well as the horrible reason they didnt even finish the whole map with Sheogorath

MLGProPlayer

BlackSparrow wrote: »

No, this is not literally world-changing like a WoW expansion, but between the new, super-sized zone, the new class, and Battlegrounds, it is certainly more significant than "Orsinium with a volcano" like some people are claiming.

It actually has less content than Orsinium.

Orsinium:
40+ quests
6 delves
6 world bosses
2 public dungeons
1 trial (solo)

Morrowind:
32+ quests
6 delves
6 world bosses
2 public dungeons
1 trial (group)
*half the buildings in the zone are locked

The warden and battlegrounds were tacked on to justify the price. They could have been sold separately since they have nothing to do with Morrowind.

Now I get that Orsinium probably wasn't profitable for Zenimax. And if that's the case, cool. Just say it though. Don't release new content at a new price point claiming it's bigger than anything released before it, when it actually isn't.

milkbox

The only thing that's really bugging me is all of the locked doors.

So many Dwemer ruins that can't be explored. A whole island to the north that is inaccessible. Tons of doors in Vivec City that lead nowhere.

Maybe that stuff will be unlocked in a future update, but I would have felt more satisfied if they'd delayed the release and included all those things in the price of this update. I feel like I only got half of what I paid for.

Oh, and nodes. Needs more nodes.

ProfesseurFreder

If you want the game to stay alive and not die on the vine, you have to accept that the people making it need to be paid for their work, and the company needs to show a profit. If this is what it takes, then this is what it takes. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy the expansion now. Wait for a sale, if it's such an issue.

Disclaimer: I am not an ESO Plus member because I don't buy into the notion that software of any kind should be rented. I prefer to buy outright, and have done so with ESO from the beginning, buying all the expansions (barring only SHADOWS OF THE HIST, so far, but I'll get there eventually) and buying crowns as I need them for cosmetic items. So having to pay for Morrowind was never any kind of a Big Deal to me.

MLGProPlayer

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

WoW expansions have FAR more content.

A better comparison is GW2. Their expansions are around the size of Morrowind (1 large zone, 1 new class, some new PvP modes). Before anyone says that GW2 expansion came with 5 zones, GW2 individual zones are tiny due to engine constraints (about Gold Coast/Hew's Bane size, but with vertical layers). They add up to one large zone.

Koensol

BlackSparrow wrote: »

"Shadows of the Hist is not a full DLC because it's only two dungeons!"

"Dark Brotherhood is not a full DLC because it only takes a couple hours to complete!"

"Homestead is not a full base game update because all it contains is a bunch of cosmetic houses!"

We get this with every quarterly content release. Every. Single. One.

No, this is not literally world-changing like a WoW expansion, but between the new, super-sized zone, the new class, and Battlegrounds, it is certainly more significant than "Orsinium with a volcano" like some people are claiming. Remember what income model they're working with and what rate new content comes out. Remember that they have to please the endgame players and the newbies, the PvPers and the cosmetics junkies, the roleplayers and the theorycrafters. Not all content is going to be specifically targeted at you, but that doesn't mean there's not a lot of content there.

The problem with content creation in a game like this is that devs are never, ever going to be able to keep up with the players, because it takes longer to develop content than it does to play it. Every single dungeon that you burn through in five minutes took multiple people hours to design, write, voice act, and program. If they gave you two more dungeons, you'd be complaining that there were "only four public dungeons" instead of "only two." Designing an entirely new continent would take the amount of time and money that it took to design Morrowind x 10 or so... years of development time, and then you'd burn through that in maybe a month, and then demand they create another new continent, and that they not take so long this time.

Content is finite. That's just a fact of MMOs. Either find a way to adjust to that (personally, I suggest lots of alts ) or try taking a break to play something else for a while.

I admire your optimism, but you are honestly being very naive if you think that ZOS doesn't create content in advance and spreads it out across the year(s). It just their way of doing business.

As long as their is no external party declaring an objective meaning of "expansion" or "dlc", developers can do with it what they please. As long as people keep buying it --> GG.

Shardan4968

Was there ever a moment when nobody says that ZOS is killing the ESO?

Fallen_Ray

Precisely the reason why I don't buy upon release. Not anymore, this is yet another example why I wait for PSN sales. Lately a game's/DLC's content is not worth the asking price and usually lacks, greatly. When Morrowind was announced After reading the announcement and price I said to myself: "$40 is a bit steep for a DLC, its about 67% the price of a new game, I should wait and see what people say".

And boy from the looks of it I was right. I bet it's not THAT bad. But from the looks of it people expected more from the "so-called-Expansion and not DLC".

I will buy it once it's on sale for less than $15. It's actually the community's fault for letting themselves get blinded by hype instead of analyzing the given information and making a rational decision. Corporations will always be after your money and will use any sugar/candy coat they must to make a product appeal to us.

What's done is done, but you can actually avoid the same mistake for future DLCs by actually weighting the true content of that DLC vs the price. A content that is truly revealed once it releases. Let the streamers be the guinea pigs not you.