This is not an expansion. Zos greed is killing this game.

Zvorgin

Zolron wrote: »

What exactly is worth it now a days ?? Going to a 2 hr movie for $15 ? Going to a 3 1/2 hr sporting event for $50 to $100 ?? Entertainment is overpriced for what we get these days but that's a product of today's greedy corporate/entertainment society.
As much as I think all these things are overpriced I still enjoy them immensely. Life is short enjoy it and quit whining about our First World Problems

Who is holding the gun to consumers to make them go? There is demand so suppliers are right to charge what people will pay. Don't like the price, don't buy it and stop blaming others.

If no one bought Morrowind, the price would drop.

Balamoor

If you like the expansion pay for it
If you don't like it choose not to pay, and do something else

YOU WILL NEVER GET IT FOR FREE.

so stop crying in your rompers.

Stormahawk wrote: »

WoW expansions typically added several raids (introduced over time) and a whole continent with multiple zones. They also provided a FREE character slot whenever a class was added in an expansion, something ZOS failed to do with the warden release. WoW also handed out dozens of pets and mounts in expansions as drops or achievements or a reward for attaining a certain reputation level with an NPC faction (which once again ZOS doesn't do this, gotta use the cash shop). Overall, WoW expansions are a much better value with tons of content, and are the reason why WoW has been around for so long.

Then go play WoW...simple.

See none of this is actually about ESO it's about forum drama.

Castagere

Minno wrote: »

Idk why if people don't like something, they just don't but it.

Ask yourselves this:
- do I NEED this dlc?

if you answered"no" then don't buy it. If you answered 'yes' then buy it. Simple.

The best part is you can wait for it to go on sale too. Not in a hurry to buy it because i don't care about the Warden. Your going to see bears everywhere.

Malic

Zos greedy? Certainly sir you jest !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fc52FlDAm0

Minno

Castagere wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Idk why if people don't like something, they just don't but it.

Ask yourselves this:
- do I NEED this dlc?

if you answered"no" then don't buy it. If you answered 'yes' then buy it. Simple.

The best part is you can wait for it to go on sale too. Not in a hurry to buy it because i don't care about the Warden. Your going to see bears everywhere.

That too. In fact that's what I'm waiting on, shame there aren't end of the season sales like they have for clothes. I could but Morrowind for 2 dollars like these pair of long sleeve shirts I just picked up lol.

Insandros

Mind i just lol at your post man? I bought, i tried, i enjoyed If ZoS aregreedy, i wonder what Mc Donald's and Burger King are, selling you french frie almost $2 and it cost them not even 10 cents, that is greedy.

EvilKiwi

It doesn't matter was ZOS do or don't put into the game there are gonna be people that complain. If you are not happy with it don't buy it, simple as that.

S1ipperyJim

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Despite all it's flaws, the gaming industry still provides the cheapest entertainment (per hour) you can buy.

There's this thing called Television, you know

Tannus15

Just the zone could be a DLC
Just the warden class could be a DLC
Just battle grounds could be a DLC

I don't see how it's unreasonable to say all 3 bundled together are more than a DLC.

BuddyAces

I'm going to go blow some money this weekend on the crown store in honor of this thread.

Queo

BuddyAces wrote: »

I'm going to go blow some money this weekend on the crown store in honor of this thread.

Me too!!!

Well not exactly its the 1500c i get for membership... But i plan on spending it!!! Also my wife will spend hers.

nhisso

Sounds like a bunch of leeching freebs whining to me. Im guessing you buy crowns every once in a while and then act like you are a major contributor.
And wtf is with gamers these days? They rush to cap and get meta'd out with gear and builds and then cry about being bored. Happens in every *** mmo. Go play something else then. Time to move on.

BossXV

If they added 2 new dungeons as well I would have been perfectly content, I just think ESO plus member , say with a 3 month at least active membership should get a discount

Tommy_The_Gun

Turelus wrote: »

Welcome to the gaming industry in 2017, you must be new here.

MLGProPlayer

Tannus15 wrote: »

Just the zone could be a DLC
Just the warden class could be a DLC
Just battle grounds could be a DLC

I don't see how it's unreasonable to say all 3 bundled together are more than a DLC.

But they don't need to be bundled because they have nothing to do with one another.

They released them together because it would result in more sales. If you only want battlegrounds? You need to buy Morrowind. If you only want the new class? You need to buy Morrowind. If you only want a new explorable zone? You need to buy Morrowind. You're catching everyone with a single net at a marked up price. No matter what you want, you're forced to buy 3 products. ZOS has shown us time and time again that they are master marketers. Their ability to make money is quite impressive, so I tip my hat to their monetisation team.

Iyas

Yuke wrote: »

DaoC Shrouded Isles Expansion:


Zones

Aldland
Avalon Isle
Caldey
Dales of Devwy
Gwyddneau
Inishail Island
Isle of Glass
Aegir's Landing
Delling Crater
Faraheim
Gripklosa Mountains
Iarnwood
Modernagrav
Munin Sound
Allta Fearann
Caillte Garran
Cothrom Gorge
Domnann
Vale of Balor
Vigilant Rock
World's End

Dungeons

Caer Sidi (raid)
City of Avalon
Krondon
Iarnvidiur's Lair
Trollheim
Tuscaran Glacier (raid)
Fomor
Galladoria (raid)
Tur Suil

New Races

Inconnu
Valkyn
Sylvan

New Classes

Reaver
Necromancer
Bonedancer
Savage
Animist
Valewalker


Others

All new ambient music soundtrack
Revamped user interface
New graphical engine with spectacular new visual effects
Loads of new quests, weapons, armor, outfits, monsters, advanced monster encounters and a ton of other additions.

This expansion also introduced the ability to start your character in the Shrouded Isles, this feature was later removed as the starting area was consolidated and then the tutorial area was introduced.

Price:

24.99€ without shady russia shop (suggested retail price)

... and the next Expansion Trials of Atlantis was even bigger. (same price)

kessik221

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Name me another MMO that doesn't do it this way?

Even the WoW expansions were typically maybe a new class (every other one) or a new race (again every other one). Then maybe one raid and a couple new dungeons and battleground maybe at the launch of the expansion and their Expansions are 60$ not 40$.

I'm sure though so it was Blizzard it was perfectly acceptable and not greedy at all.

Yea, but they dont sell DLC as content. Its 60$ at release then for 2 years you usually get 3-4 tiers of raids and of course new areas for each tier. Still pretty expensive but they arnt *** you over nearly as hard as console titles aelling dlc every quarter for 20-40$

Synfaer

That game gives much more stuff than ESO, so ESO should do the same...
That other game does not charge for some of its extra stuff, ESO should do the same...
ESO gave us free stuff in the past, all subsequent stuff that's similar should also be free....

Geez, my kids have been using these arguments for years..
My friend has these cool piercings, lets go get my belly piercing now...
My firends parents bought them a pony, when do I get mine....
You let me go to that concert last year, why didn't you allow me to go to the 15 concerts I wanted see after that?.....

Kids will have sometimes tantrums if they don't get their own way...you see a lot of that in the forums. Its understandable for a kid to have a tantrum, they are young, most don't have the skill sets yet to overcome the fact that they cannot get what they want.
Adult tantrums are not socially accepted however. By this stage of your life you should have learned a skill set to overcome these childhood conundrums.
>Patience
>Sometimes you have to do tasks you do not like to achieve something that is important to you.
>Find another path to your goal
>Adapt, learn new skill when the old ones fail
>Move on...find an similar goal with less obstacles
etc..

Balamoor

Synfaer wrote: »

That game gives much more stuff than ESO, so ESO should do the same...
That other game does not charge for some of its extra stuff, ESO should do the same...
ESO gave us free stuff in the past, all subsequent stuff that's similar should also be free....

Geez, my kids have been using these arguments for years..
My friend has these cool piercings, lets go get my belly piercing now...
My firends parents bought them a pony, when do I get mine....
You let me go to that concert last year, why didn't you allow me to go to the 15 concerts I wanted see after that?.....

Kids will have sometimes tantrums if they don't get their own way...you see a lot of that in the forums. Its understandable for a kid to have a tantrum, they are young, most don't have the skill sets yet to overcome the fact that they cannot get what they want.
Adult tantrums are not socially accepted however. By this stage of your life you should have learned a skill set to overcome these childhood conundrums.
>Patience
>Sometimes you have to do tasks you do not like to achieve something that is important to you.
>Find another path to your goal
>Adapt, learn new skill when the old ones fail
>Move on...find an similar goal with less obstacles
etc..

It's the millennial way.

Scream and complain about everything
Demand everything for free now
Give up the moment anything becomes hard.
Blame other people for their issues.

ShedsHisTail

LiquidPony wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Jtj87 wrote: »

I love this game and have supported it for awhile but where is the content? It's basically orsinium with a new trial and battlegrounds. We need more dungeons, more variety of things to do and there is only 2 public dungeons in the new area? I mean the story in morrowind is nice but when that's over what next? Run the same dungeons over and over and try a new trial? I can't help the feeling of being ripped off. I am sure there is content that should have been included with morrowind that will be scretched out along the rest of 2017 and then we will get the same thing in 2018. If you want to justify charging 40 or 60 bucks for a "Chapter" and call it an expansion then add an entire new continent just for end game so veterans have something to do. Stop adding these areas with barely anything to do in them once the story is over.

So ... it's bigger than the biggest DLC (+ new Trial, + Battlegrounds, + new class) ... but it's not big enough to be an "expansion?"

I wonder where the line is.

So glad you asked!

WOW's first Expansion included:

• 11 new areas
• 10 dungeons
• 2 New Battlegrounds
• various updates including Jewelry Crafting

ESO's "DLC+"

• 1 New Area
• 6 Delves
• 2 Public dungeons
• 1 Trial
• New Class.
• Battlegrounds

So by DLC standards, ZOS did pretty well. This would have been accepted by the community as an amazing DLC. But the marketing department had to ruin it by betraying subscribers and trying to pretend this was an expansion. With this not so smooth move, ZOS lost a lot of goodwill all for a few extra bucks that people would have eventually spent anyway.

Go play WoW, then?

"Betraying," lol. The entitlement is real.

I have never seen a more pathetic retort in my life. I was comparing the value of expansions across two popular MMOs. The only thing you could think to say is "go play wow" and "entitled"?

Yes, as a consumer I am entitled to value for my money. I saw very limited value in moronwind, so I did not purchase it. There is value however in taking a argumentation and debate class, and being actually able to address someone's arguments instead of resorting to insults so I suggest you take one and put some more effort into your interactions with other humans.

@Yolokin_Swagonborn

Your comparison is bunk.

WoW releases nothing substantial for 2 years and then puts out a big release. WoW is pay to play.

ESO is buy to play. ZOS has delivered Craglorn, Imperial City, Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Shadows of the Hist, and Homestead since release ... which are all included for the same price everyone pays for WoW. That's 4 raids, 4 dungeons, 5 zones, 2 arenas, poison crafting, new PvP modes, housing, etc. etc. etc. that were delivered for the cost of the game + $15 per month.

The comparison of Morrowind to a WoW expansion just doesn't make sense. Blizzard doesn't deliver quarterly DLC for your $15 monthly subscription. ZOS does.

I was wondering how long this thread would go on before someone mentioned that WoW also has a non-optional subscription price which allows them to put more content into their xpacs which come out far less often.

Glad you mentioned it so that I didn't have to.

maboleth

ESO feels cheap now to all who didn't buy Morrowind upgrade. You literally get spammed once you log on for the first time.

Also on the permanent basis:

- The game is now effectively called "ESO: Morrowind" even if you didn't opt-in to upgrade
- There's a big logo with "MORROWIND: BUY NOW" icon and upgrade button on your main character screen.

Zeni is begging you to upgrade. Money money money, honey.

No dice, Zeni. No dice.

ShedsHisTail

maboleth wrote: »

ESO feels cheap now to all who didn't buy Morrowind upgrade. You literally get spammed once you log on for the first time.

Also on the permanent basis:

- The game is now effectively called "ESO: Morrowind" even if you didn't opt-in to upgrade
- There's a big logo with "MORROWIND: BUY NOW" icon and upgrade button on your main character screen.

Zeni is begging you to upgrade. Money money money, honey.

No dice, Zeni. No dice.

People who don't want to pay for content are the reason xpacs and DLC are short on content...

Just sayin'.

Synfaer

Balamoor wrote: »

Synfaer wrote: »

That game gives much more stuff than ESO, so ESO should do the same...
That other game does not charge for some of its extra stuff, ESO should do the same...
ESO gave us free stuff in the past, all subsequent stuff that's similar should also be free....

Geez, my kids have been using these arguments for years..
My friend has these cool piercings, lets go get my belly piercing now...
My firends parents bought them a pony, when do I get mine....
You let me go to that concert last year, why didn't you allow me to go to the 15 concerts I wanted see after that?.....

Kids will have sometimes tantrums if they don't get their own way...you see a lot of that in the forums. Its understandable for a kid to have a tantrum, they are young, most don't have the skill sets yet to overcome the fact that they cannot get what they want.
Adult tantrums are not socially accepted however. By this stage of your life you should have learned a skill set to overcome these childhood conundrums.
>Patience
>Sometimes you have to do tasks you do not like to achieve something that is important to you.
>Find another path to your goal
>Adapt, learn new skill when the old ones fail
>Move on...find an similar goal with less obstacles
etc..

It's the millennial way.

Scream and complain about everything
Demand everything for free now
Give up the moment anything becomes hard.
Blame other people for their issues.

I'll take a guess what the individual in the trolley is texting;

"Hey who nerfed the trolley"
"It was way faster and had more room yesterday "


.

Wifeaggro13

Wayshuba wrote: »

I came from SWTOR. You have no idea what no content is until you go there.

They haven't had a raid released in over two years. Now they are releasing a boss for a new raid every 4 months (which means 20 months for ONE raid). So by the time they are done, it will have been almost 4 years without a raid. That is called taking your customers to the cleaners.

Sorry, but ZOS is putting out quite a bit of content compared to many MMOs. Do they top all MMOs, no. But they are ahead of quite a few on the market.

I guess I am simple to please. Pay them for the game and keep putting out regular content and I am a happy dude.

Your not making a fair comparison at all swtor released 4 times the amount content did in its first three years . Single group and raids. On top of it they had a g ame system that had far far more depth then Eso. The only thing that makes me sad that even a money hungry mismanaged mmo company like EA has done a better job then Zeni at this point. And EA friggin sucks hard ones

maboleth

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

ESO feels cheap now to all who didn't buy Morrowind upgrade. You literally get spammed once you log on for the first time.

Also on the permanent basis:

- The game is now effectively called "ESO: Morrowind" even if you didn't opt-in to upgrade
- There's a big logo with "MORROWIND: BUY NOW" icon and upgrade button on your main character screen.

Zeni is begging you to upgrade. Money money money, honey.

No dice, Zeni. No dice.

People who don't want to pay for content are the reason xpacs and DLC are short on content...

Just sayin'.

Oh I paid for this, big time. I paid for Imperial edition, for 3 DLCs, tens of thousands of crowns and then subbed for 12 months. Still have 1 month left in sub, even though I haven't played for 3 months. In fact, I don't even want to know how much money I have thrown in this game. But no more. Zenimax will not get a single dime from me.

Absolut_Turkey

Greed? Killing ESO? ROFL. Log in and look around. ESO ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

jircris11

I love how more and more people make these type of threads. I remember when gamers where a lot less, entitled. I remember when we paid 14 a month plus 60 bucks PER EXPANSION that added LESS content then this. All of you kids need to get off your high horse and realize, if you do not like what is being offered then move along. This expansion added a new class, a new land and 30+ hours of quests, To me that is a better expansion then Anything WoW has put out. It almost takes me back to EQ days. And to those who continue to complain about how ZoS does not "care" and how you wont spend another "cent" then why not simply uninstall and leave the game, stop coming to the forums and complaining about stuff that is out of your control. There are many games out there find one that is not "greedy" i dare you.

ShedsHisTail

maboleth wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

ESO feels cheap now to all who didn't buy Morrowind upgrade. You literally get spammed once you log on for the first time.

Also on the permanent basis:

- The game is now effectively called "ESO: Morrowind" even if you didn't opt-in to upgrade
- There's a big logo with "MORROWIND: BUY NOW" icon and upgrade button on your main character screen.

Zeni is begging you to upgrade. Money money money, honey.

No dice, Zeni. No dice.

People who don't want to pay for content are the reason xpacs and DLC are short on content...

Just sayin'.

Oh I paid for this, big time. I paid for Imperial edition, for 3 DLCs, tens of thousands of crowns and then subbed for 12 months. Still have 1 month left in sub, even though I haven't played for 3 months. In fact, I don't even want to know how much money I have thrown in this game. But no more. Zenimax will not get a single dime from me.

Yeah, me too. But you know what, lot's of people don't. Lot's of people don't pay for anything after the purchase cost. So all that extra money which could normally go to dev teams and artists and content creators, goes to keeping the lights on and running the servers hosting all these players who don't pay instead.

That's over simplified, of course, and sounds kinda bitter which I'm not but... Well, here's how I look at it.

If I buy a single player game and it's wildly popular, I can expect the developers to roll out one, maybe two expansions... Ever. And they do this using the profits from the original sales.

If I play a game that requires a subscription, I can expect more, long term or larger injections of content and such from the devs because they have a constant stream of income from every player.

ESO is somewhere in the middle. Because some of the players are paying subscriptions, and some are treating it like a one-time purchase. So, expect the content releases to also be somewhere in the middle in terms of quality and quantity.

oldskoorpg74

It is profit that brings all the amazing talent together to make this wonderful piece of entertainment: from writers to artists to business minds, incredible technical minds to maintain and support the infrastructure and I could go on and on. All of these people have families to feed, educations to pay for, medical needs and again, on and on. This entitlement culture that complains about profit at every turn is out of control. I think the game is an awesome achievement and I'm happy with the price. The day I'm not, I stop paying and go to another. Its a game I choose to spend my money and free time playing in the air conditioning eating fritos. How we have become such a complaining, entitled, drive thru give me what I want now for free culture is beyond me. Anyway, now back to Tamriel.

colig

oldskoorpg74 wrote: »

It is profit that brings all the amazing talent together to make this wonderful piece of entertainment: from writers to artists to business minds, incredible technical minds to maintain and support the infrastructure and I could go on and on. All of these people have families to feed, educations to pay for, medical needs and again, on and on. This entitlement culture that complains about profit at every turn is out of control. I think the game is an awesome achievement and I'm happy with the price. The day I'm not, I stop paying and go to another. Its a game I choose to spend my money and free time playing in the air conditioning eating fritos. How we have become such a complaining, entitled, drive thru give me what I want now for free culture is beyond me. Anyway, now back to Tamriel.

"I'm not complaining and neither should anyone else."