I am not complaining, just trying to learn the game

Cletus

my head is spinning from all the help. I really appreciate this information. I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to share it with me. I can see I have some work ahead of me. Now to decide if I should abandon this character and build a new using this information or keeping this one, changing out the points to stamina, and a staff. I am going to print out some of the longer posts so I can study them while in game and make the adjustments.

The first big mistake I see I made was selling off some of the armor because it wasn't heavy. I think I can buy it back when I log in.
Not leveling the other 2 classes is another error I will change that now.

Cletus

I just went to the Elden Root and reset my skill points. Can I also reset my attribute points?

Magdalina

Cletus wrote: »

my head is spinning from all the help. I really appreciate this information. I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to share it with me. I can see I have some work ahead of me. Now to decide if I should abandon this character and build a new using this information or keeping this one, changing out the points to stamina, and a staff. I am going to print out some of the longer posts so I can study them while in game and make the adjustments.

The first big mistake I see I made was selling off some of the armor because it wasn't heavy. I think I can buy it back when I log in.
Not leveling the other 2 classes is another error I will change that now.

You can just have someone craft you some gear. Crafted gear is really useful while leveling but it takes time and skillpoints to master. What server/platform are you?

PlagueSD

Cletus wrote: »

I just went to the Elden Root and reset my skill points. Can I also reset my attribute points?

yes, there should be another shrine there that does attribute points nearby.

Kriogen

DocFrost72 wrote: »

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Remember to watch your enemies carefully. Are they winding up? Do you see white lines like in old cartoons where the person was moving really fast all around your enemy? Block! Are the same lines red and does it look like they are charging something? Bash! (Default keys are your block key then your light attack key). If you see a red circle on the ground, get away! They can be damaging areas or afflict you with nasty status effects.
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Keep trying!

Agree 100% on moving, using WSAD, watching what monster is doing.

I'm a bit new in this game and i'll say this is the most important thing. Other tips are good, but this is No.1

Kodrac

Oh, and you don't want to pick up a staff and change to stamina. Staff is for magicka users.

Cletus

Magdalina wrote: »

Cletus wrote: »

my head is spinning from all the help. I really appreciate this information. I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to share it with me. I can see I have some work ahead of me. Now to decide if I should abandon this character and build a new using this information or keeping this one, changing out the points to stamina, and a staff. I am going to print out some of the longer posts so I can study them while in game and make the adjustments.

The first big mistake I see I made was selling off some of the armor because it wasn't heavy. I think I can buy it back when I log in.
Not leveling the other 2 classes is another error I will change that now.

You can just have someone craft you some gear. Crafted gear is really useful while leveling but it takes time and skillpoints to master. What server/platform are you?

I am on PC on NA

Magdalina

Cletus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Cletus wrote: »

my head is spinning from all the help. I really appreciate this information. I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to share it with me. I can see I have some work ahead of me. Now to decide if I should abandon this character and build a new using this information or keeping this one, changing out the points to stamina, and a staff. I am going to print out some of the longer posts so I can study them while in game and make the adjustments.

The first big mistake I see I made was selling off some of the armor because it wasn't heavy. I think I can buy it back when I log in.
Not leveling the other 2 classes is another error I will change that now.

You can just have someone craft you some gear. Crafted gear is really useful while leveling but it takes time and skillpoints to master. What server/platform are you?

I am on PC on NA

Aw, I can make you gear if you want:) @Magdalina777 in game

Nestor

Cletus wrote: »

Now to decide if I should abandon this character and build a new using this information or keeping this one, changing out the points to stamina, and a staff.

Never delete a character until you have run out of character slots. You have 8 and can buy 4 more, plus two more with Morrowind.


Stamina goes with Melee weapons and skills. Staffs are for Magic.

Nestor

Also, I will be on tonight and we can hook up and I can show you some things. Send me an email in the game (use the ' key to open mail, then send the message to @Nestor ) Now, I will say that @Wolfenbelle is also a good person to hook up with, and she smells better than me (I am a guy and have never met her in person so just guessing here)

But lets spend an hour together and we can get you sorted out.

AoDD33pfri3d

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Another example of why we need a tutorial that explains how max resources scale to your damage. This is why we get players running into dungeons light attack plunking and then come to forums to ask why they got kicked. Sadly, it is to no fault of their own, but an simply extremely poor introduction to the game.

True dat, I had a healer in dungeons with two blades or they queued for the wrong role. They need a better introduction to the game from skills to character points to weapons the whole loaf of bread.

starkerealm

Cletus wrote: »

my head is spinning from all the help. I really appreciate this information. I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to share it with me. I can see I have some work ahead of me. Now to decide if I should abandon this character and build a new using this information or keeping this one, changing out the points to stamina, and a staff. I am going to print out some of the longer posts so I can study them while in game and make the adjustments.

The first big mistake I see I made was selling off some of the armor because it wasn't heavy. I think I can buy it back when I log in.
Not leveling the other 2 classes is another error I will change that now.

Worst case, if you respec your attributes (which is fairly cheap) you can make a pretty devastating stamina focused sorc out of that. You can switch from heavy to medium without any real penalty, and your work on Dark Magic will help you get to Dark Deal, which can be a very useful utility power for stamina sorcs. It can take a little time to get the hang of, though @nestor can probably walk you through the basics of that, if it's something you want. Though, your main weapon will probably switch to dual wield, with the bow as a secondary.

One quick way to help boost your survival on a sorc is to grab the Familiar and morph it into the Clanfear as soon as you have the option.

smokey13a

I think I have some advise that might help you.

1: you should try to get to a mundus stone, when you activate them they give you a permanent bonus(you can only have 1 active bonus at a time(can also be switched whenever you want by activating another mundus stone)) to things like mag or stam regen, it will help a lot in fights.

2: your a sorc so I would recommend unlocking a skill in the "Daedric Summoning" skill line called "Unstable familiar" and then level it up and morph it into a skill called "Unstable Clannfear", I recommend this for a low level of stam or mag for 2 reasons, first reason is that it helps you in battle by attacking the enemies( it also agro's them so they attack it instead of you) and the second reason is because while your clannfear is active when you press the button for it again it heals you.

3: try to get hold of some food to either make your resource pools bigger or increase your mag or stam regen(a food which increases your resource pool and regen would be best for a low level char but that may be tricky to get without help from a guild or crafter...ect).

4: while using just light or medium armour is usually the best thing to do for higher level characters, for low levels I would recommend 4 heavy armour pieces and the either 3 light or 3 medium depending on whether your stam or mag based, I say that because the 3 pieces of light/medium will help with resource regen(when you unlock the armour passives) and the heavy pieces will help with reducing the damage you take, you don't need to use 5 piece light or medium yet because you wont be able to unlock the armour skill line passives that give bonuses for wearing a full 5 piece light or medium armour until your a higher level.

5: try to find a friendly social guild, the people in the guild can give you advise and help you craft things like armour and food.

number 5 will probably be more useful then anything else but I hope this post helps a little at least.

starkerealm

smokey13a wrote: »

4: while using just light or medium armour is usually the best thing to do for higher level characters, for low levels I would recommend 4 heavy armour pieces and the either 3 light or 3 medium depending on whether your stam or mag based, I say that because the 3 pieces of light/medium will help with resource regen(when you unlock the armour passives) and the heavy pieces will help with reducing the damage you take, you don't need to use 5 piece light or medium yet because you wont be able to unlock the armour skill line passives that give bonuses for wearing a full 5 piece light or medium armour until your a higher level.

I'd actually recommend the opposite. Each piece of armor you have equipped contributes to the XP you gain for that skill line. So equipping 7 pieces of armor will increase that skill line a little over twice as fast as if you'd only equipped 3. This will, in turn, get you to the 5 piece bonuses on armor much sooner.

That said, it's not bad advice. Just a difference of opinion.

smokey13a

starkerealm wrote: »

I'd actually recommend the opposite. Each piece of armor you have equipped contributes to the XP you gain for that skill line. So equipping 7 pieces of armor will increase that skill line a little over twice as fast as if you'd only equipped 3. This will, in turn, get you to the 5 piece bonuses on armor much sooner.

That said, it's not bad advice. Just a difference of opinion.

true, it will get more xp for that skill line but he will also die a lot more especially with no cp or anything, that's why im using 4 heavy and 3 medium on the xbox NA server, if I was on the UE server which I normally play on and have max cp I would go full 7pc but without my cp or at least proper armour sets and decent food I just get nuked by bosses or any more then about 3 ads(usually cos I run out of resources), its brutal, must be really brutal on new players that don't know anything about setting up builds, I bet most probably quit after like 2 weeks unless they find a guild.

Nestor

I follow the 3/2/2 rule, with the 3 in my intended armor of choice for my build. Gets me to L50 in the main armor by L50 in the character and gets my two off armors at least to a place where I can unlock some 5 piece bonuses if I decide to change my build up. Then again, the worst thing to grind 0 to 50 in this game is armor end game.

CaptainBeerDude

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

Dude, he's questing. If this were a dungeon runner trying to do that, you'd be mostly right and I wouldn't have responded. The OP only mentioned he wants to quest. He can do that in heavy armor and one one handed sword.

Yes YOU can, but for someone what seems has no experience or CP at all this makes it in fact completely and utterly different for us max levels. You cannot honestly say during your scrub days you didn't struggle. for a new starter what you're saying isn't viable by any means.

It's perfectly viable. I ran a hybrid sorc with 2h and resto staff. All overland content was possible at console launch.

starkerealm

smokey13a wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I'd actually recommend the opposite. Each piece of armor you have equipped contributes to the XP you gain for that skill line. So equipping 7 pieces of armor will increase that skill line a little over twice as fast as if you'd only equipped 3. This will, in turn, get you to the 5 piece bonuses on armor much sooner.

That said, it's not bad advice. Just a difference of opinion.

true, it will get more xp for that skill line but he will also die a lot more especially with no cp or anything, that's why im using 4 heavy and 3 medium on the xbox NA server, if I was on the UE server which I normally play on and have max cp I would go full 7pc but without my cp or at least proper armour sets and decent food I just get nuked by bosses or any more then about 3 ads(usually cos I run out of resources), its brutal, must be really brutal on new players that don't know anything about setting up builds, I bet most probably quit after like 2 weeks unless they find a guild.

At low levels, I don't really find heavy armor boosts survivability that much. But, then again, I've only got two characters left in tier 1 gear... so my perceptions may be a bit warped.

smokey13a

my perception was warped slightly too from leveling up 11 more chars after my main was VR16, you should try making a low level on whichever server isn't your usual, you'll see what I mean by brutal. seriously, its proper bad.

Cletus

Ok I stripped off all my skill (27) and attribute (16) points. I then put one point into each class and 1 ultimate in magic.
Should I at this point return to my starting location, because my skills are so low to start the building process?
I have a 13 level resto staff and have tried to use different types of armor to help magic. I have not used any of the 16 points of attribute.

Cletus

Cletus wrote: »

Ok I stripped off all my skill (27) and attribute (16) points. I then put one point into each class and 1 ultimate in magic.
Should I at this point return to my starting location, because my skills are so low to start the building process?
I have a 13 level resto staff and have tried to use different types of armor to help magic. I have not used any of the 16 points of attribute.

I did get the familiar.

Cletus

smokey13a wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I'd actually recommend the opposite. Each piece of armor you have equipped contributes to the XP you gain for that skill line. So equipping 7 pieces of armor will increase that skill line a little over twice as fast as if you'd only equipped 3. This will, in turn, get you to the 5 piece bonuses on armor much sooner.

That said, it's not bad advice. Just a difference of opinion.

true, it will get more xp for that skill line but he will also die a lot more especially with no cp or anything, that's why im using 4 heavy and 3 medium on the xbox NA server, if I was on the UE server which I normally play on and have max cp I would go full 7pc but without my cp or at least proper armour sets and decent food I just get nuked by bosses or any more then about 3 ads(usually cos I run out of resources), its brutal, must be really brutal on new players that don't know anything about setting up builds, I bet most probably quit after like 2 weeks unless they find a guild.

Very honestly I had determined to make it to level 20. If I wasn't doing better by then I had planned to move on and look for another game. The learning curve to me is steep. It seemed I was making all the very wrong moves in the build and not understanding why I was doing so badly. And not knowing that I was doing this.

smokey13a

Cletus wrote: »

Very honestly I had determined to make it to level 20. If I wasn't doing better by then I had planned to move on and look for another game. The learning curve to me is steep. It seemed I was making all the very wrong moves in the build and not understanding why I was doing so badly. And not knowing that I was doing this.

yeah, if I was new to this game now and didn't know how it worked I would of probably quit and moved on, you used to be able to play however you wanted like you were doing but the developers changed it so now you have to know at least the basics of how to set characters up or you end up struggling, that's why the best thing you could do is find a friendly social guild to join.

till then I(and others) can give some advise to help you a bit.

so first thing you'll want to do is put the attribute points you have into magicka(you could also put 2 or 3 into health just for now until you level up a bit).

second, if I was you I would unlock crystal frags/mages fury and lightning form if you can, then slot them with unstable familiar and for the 5th move use either "encase" because it immobilizes enemy's in front of you or "deadric curse" if you want to do more damage.

if you start getting low on magicka during a fight use a heavy attack to get some back.

third, get a mundus stone buff, personally I would go for "the atronach" because it increases your mag regen.

and finally I would try to get some food to increase your max magicka or magicka regen.

others will probably help you more but that should get you heading in the right direction at least.

oh and 1 last thing, even though this game can be difficult for new players if you stick at it and get your character set up as good as you can things start to get quite a bit easier especially after you reach level 15 and can have 2 weapons/ability bars.

--edit--

almost forgot, make sure you unlock the class skill line passives, especially the "unholy knowledge" and "capacitor" passives, those 2 will probably help you most at low level.

Browiseth

You probably need to learn the game more

Please don't listen to anyone trying to convince you that you can work around skill via your build or gear or whatever. Questing is stupidly easy by design to help you learn the game, and as such no amount of overthinking your uild is going to carry you through it if you're struggling as is

Wolfenbelle

Nestor wrote: »

Also, I will be on tonight and we can hook up and I can show you some things. Send me an email in the game (use the ' key to open mail, then send the message to @Nestor ) Now, I will say that @Wolfenbelle is also a good person to hook up with, and she smells better than me (I am a guy and have never met her in person so just guessing here)

But lets spend an hour together and we can get you sorted out.

LOL, thanks @Nestor .

@Cletus, I'm happy to help anyone who needs it, especially people who are new to the game. I'm also on PC NA, in the eastern US time zone and I am usually online around 7pm after work, and on weekends at least during the morning.

Cletus

Thanks to everyone's advice I believe I am on a better track now. With the help of the clannfear I have been able to survive 1 dot mobs now that I failed before. I have 22 skill points that I am not sure if I should spend some on the skills that now have a plus on them or not.
I did some quests tonight I know I would have failed on last night with my old build. This is not how I expected the game to be after playing Skyrim and having a total choice in how I made my build. But success brings happiness and tonight I was successful and that is great!
Rolling when I see a red area has helped me stay healthier. The battles seem shorter which is great too.

I have bookmarked this page to continue referencing it as I continue to level.

Everyone is great to have helped me Thank you all.

Metafae

I'll try to keep this simple and brief.

Use only Medium Armor. Continue to use a bow, when you hit level 15, use two daggers on the off-bar (You unlock it at level 15)

Put all Attribute points into Stamina.

Join a guild for new players, or social players.

When choosing skills, you want to keep the skills that let you morph them into Stamina costing damaging skills, or Magicka costing skills that would help you with Weapon Damage or Stamina.

Skills that do damage and cost Magicka will not hit hard enough for you.

Use food that increases your Stamina and Health at the same time.

Wolfenbelle

Cletus wrote: »

Ok I stripped off all my skill (27) and attribute (16) points. I then put one point into each class and 1 ultimate in magic.
Should I at this point return to my starting location, because my skills are so low to start the building process?
I have a 13 level resto staff and have tried to use different types of armor to help magic. I have not used any of the 16 points of attribute.

@Cletus, there are differences of opinion about this, but when leveling I recommend you spend some attribute points in all three stats. You will change this later when you are leveled near or at 50 and have a better idea of what you want to do with your character. But for now, it helps to have a boost to each of your stats. For example, if you want to be a stamina based melee character, then put maybe 8 attribute points in stamina, maybe 5 in health and 3 in magicka. You would do the opposite if you are going for a magicka based character like a sorcerer. The reason I recommend this is because it helps you survive easier and have some power with both your weapon and class skills.

Classes in this game are nightblade, dragonknight, templar and sorcerer. Each one has three class skill trees. When the new expansion, Morrowind, is released next month, there will be a 5th class called a warden.

There are 10 races in the game: Altmer (high elf), Bosmer (wood elf), Khajit, Breton, Orsimer, Redguard, Argonian, Dunmer (dark elf), Nord and Imperial. Each one has its own passives that help them buff certain play styles. Here is a resource that might help you better understand the different races: http://tamrielfoundry.com/races/

There are three main stats (attributes) or play styles in the game, stamina, magicka and a hybrid of both plus the health attribute. You will always be trying to find a balance in these three stats for your characters so they can be powerful but also not get killed often. By about level 50 most players put all their attribute points toward their main stat, such as all in stamina or magicka. Then they buff the other stats with enchantments on armor, jewelry and weapons plus food, drink and potions. All of that is pretty complicated for a new player, so for now it really will help to spread your attribute points among the three stats with the most in the stat you want to be strongest in.

As mentioned above, there are six weapon skill lines: 2-handed, sword and shield, dual wield, bow, destruction staff and restoration staff. If you look at the skills and passives for your class skills, your weapon skills and your racial passives, that will give you a good idea for what combination of class, race, weapons and stamina or magicka play style will work for what you want to do with your character.

The other thing you should look at is the passives for each of the three armor types: heavy, medium and light. You'll see they also tend to match with stamina or magicka play styles.

So here's one example of how someone might put it all together for a magicka sorcerer. Say you want to build a magicka sorcerer who is a damage dealer (DPS). Breton is an excellent choice of race for a magicka build because their passives are all about magicka buffs. A magicka DPS sorcerer typically will use a destruction staff – maybe a fire staff on the front bar and a lightning staff on the back, or maybe a restoration staff on the back for some group healing. You could use other weapons, but none of the others fit a sorcerer as good as the staffs. Light armor is typically what magicka sorcerers will wear because the passives for light armor buff magicka.

Here is an excellent resource for you to obtain all of the information you might need about all of this plus gear sets, crafting, world information – basically all a new person would need to know to get a real boost in the game: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elder+Scrolls+Online+Wiki

As others have mentioned, there are also some really good YouTube videos and other resources that can help you try out different builds. Here's a good one that you can start with: http://alcasthq.com/

Galwylin

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I'm afraid this is correct... in the current version of the game (and recent versions), there's NO place for hybrid builds and you are effectively gimping yerself.

Effectively, you can play any way you want as long as its the right way. Maybe they should have a cut off where if your magicka pool has more points than your stamina pool, you are unable to equip a bow. I know, people do because bow is a great choice for magicka builds. Still, why can't they have weapons draw from the highest stat? I don't get why that would be so game breaking. Sure, I know its a bit silly that a sword and shield works with magicka but just call them magic weapons and be done with it. There's a good bit that doesn't make sense so just toss realism out the door. We can call down a star from the heavens after all.

Magdalina

smokey13a wrote: »

my perception was warped slightly too from leveling up 11 more chars after my main was VR16, you should try making a low level on whichever server isn't your usual, you'll see what I mean by brutal. seriously, its proper bad.

I did and was really shocked by how easy it was actually. With no cp, most passives missing and awfully outleveled armor everything STILL died before I was done dropping my dots pretty much. Low level battle leveling is ridiculously op as well, most my stats were higher at <level 10 without food than they are at 600 cp with food.

(Not directed at op as he's simply struggling from not understanding how it works but to say it's actually hard once you do understand it...nah)