I am not complaining, just trying to learn the game

Cletus

I have made it to level 14 using a bow and now also magic. I really enjoy questing but am having trouble finishing them. I get to the end and the boss either morphs and kills me or the boss is just way more powerful than I and I die. I must have about 20 quests I am unable to finish and it is frustrating. I have tried waiting for others to come along so I could both get help and help them finish the quests. Sometimes no one comes along and I move on.
I don't see any indication that maybe some of these quests are a higher level than I am. Checking through my list they all say whatever current level I am. I don't think this is correct. I have never been one to complain about dying in a battle but this constant dying is just getting old.

Is this how the game is or do I just not have a handle on how to play better yet?

DRXHarbinger

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

DocFrost72

There are definately tips and tricks you can pick up. Firstly, what level gear are you wearing? ESO is scaled, so if you use lower leveled equipment, you get less effect than on level gear. This is a really big deal with weapons for damage, and armor for defense.

What class are you? You can always use certain spells and abilities to help make yourself more survivable.

How are you spending health, magicka, and stamina? Sometimes the best defense to dying is to have a lot of health, other times you'll want more stamina for blocking and dodgerolling attacks.

Remember to watch your enemies carefully. Are they winding up? Do you see white lines like in old cartoons where the person was moving really fast all around your enemy? Block! Are the same lines red and does it look like they are charging something? Bash! (Default keys are your block key then your light attack key). If you see a red circle on the ground, get away! They can be damaging areas or afflict you with nasty status effects.

What platform are you on? I can make you gear or food, the latter of which can raise your health magic and stam by 4-5k! Even if you're on a different server, try looking for "bread" out in the world, as in a pinch it can be a lifesaver.

Keep trying!

DocFrost72

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

Dude, he's questing. If this were a dungeon runner trying to do that, you'd be mostly right and I wouldn't have responded. The OP only mentioned he wants to quest. He can do that in heavy armor and one one handed sword.

Darlgon

1. Check your gear. If its white, its horribad. You can get green gear from overland quests. Green set gear is bonus.
2. The game uses a complex system to auto level you. Basically, they say, you should be here with your gear at your level. From that 100 percent mark, if your gear is 10 percent below that level, you are 10 percent less effective. Some people can pull off never changing gear, but they know the game. You dont. Make sure your gear is within a few levels of you.
3. As was mentioned above, Stamina affects most weapons and weapon skills, how hard they hit and how big your pool is. Magicka affects most class skills and staves. If you feel low on dps, spend more points in either magic or stam. Personally, on my level 15 magic user, I have 13 mag, 3 health and 2 stam.

QuebraRegra

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

I'm afraid this is correct... in the current version of the game (and recent versions), there's NO place for hybrid builds and you are effectively gimping yerself.

perhaps the introduction of bound weapon skills based on magicka might be an interesting way to have a magicka-archer, etc.

DocFrost72

QuebraRegra wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

I'm afraid this is correct... in the current version of the game (and recent versions), there's NO place for hybrid builds and you are effectively gimping yerself.

*Sigh*

Hybrids, like anything, can exist and can perform well. They are harder, and they do not give you top tier dps, but especially next patch, this statement is just flat out wrong.

Voxicity

DocFrost72 wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

I'm afraid this is correct... in the current version of the game (and recent versions), there's NO place for hybrid builds and you are effectively gimping yerself.

*Sigh*

Hybrids, like anything, can exist and can perform well extremely poorly and way below average. They are harder, and they do not give you top tier dps, but especially next patch, this statement is just flat out wrong.

You made a spelling error, fixed it for ya

DjMuscleboy02

Another example of why we need a tutorial that explains how max resources scale to your damage. This is why we get players running into dungeons light attack plunking and then come to forums to ask why they got kicked. Sadly, it is to no fault of their own, but an simply extremely poor introduction to the game.

rynth

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Another example of why we need a tutorial that explains how max resources scale to your damage. This is why we get players running into dungeons light attack plunking and then come to forums to ask why they got kicked. Sadly, it is to no fault of their own, but an simply extremely poor introduction to the game.

no that is not the case and even if they did guess what they would still come here and ask for advice(which there is nothing wrong with the ops post). To back up my answer just look at crafting you have all sorts of in game information and people still ask about crafting as if they didn't read it (and again there is nothing wrong with this....though reading would help out)

OP like the others said just depends on what class you are, where you have put your skill points as well as your attribute points, and also gear. If you are using a nightblade some of your best attacks are with stealth and sneak attacks but blow for blow they are not as good at taking a hit without using stuff like teleport strike etc. The other classes such as sorc. might help to put skill points in to the familiars which you get two to help do some tanking for you. Templars have some great heals as well as spear attacks though you will want magic attributes to sustain them. Dragonknight has some nice damage soaking abilities such as spike armor. I'm no master gamer number crunching the classes but just a few things might help out

DocFrost72

KaiVox22 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

I'm afraid this is correct... in the current version of the game (and recent versions), there's NO place for hybrid builds and you are effectively gimping yerself.

*Sigh*

Hybrids, like anything, can exist and can perform well extremely poorly and way below average. They are harder, and they do not give you top tier dps, but especially next patch, this statement is just flat out wrong.

You made a spelling error, fixed it for ya

No, I said what I meant and meant what I said. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine

Kodrac

Last night I had a heavy armored sorc following me through a Craglorn delve crystal fragging and light attacking everything I attacked. My guess is he was having a difficult time of it on his own. I wonder why. WTB better tutorials please.

runa_gate

Cletus wrote: »

I have made it to level 14 using a bow and now also magic. I really enjoy questing but am having trouble finishing them. I get to the end and the boss either morphs and kills me or the boss is just way more powerful than I and I die. I must have about 20 quests I am unable to finish and it is frustrating. I have tried waiting for others to come along so I could both get help and help them finish the quests. Sometimes no one comes along and I move on.
I don't see any indication that maybe some of these quests are a higher level than I am. Checking through my list they all say whatever current level I am. I don't think this is correct. I have never been one to complain about dying in a battle but this constant dying is just getting old.

Is this how the game is or do I just not have a handle on how to play better yet?

Since you already got good advice I just wanted to comment that it's interesting that there's still an indication of what level it's appropriate for in the quest journal, something I had apparently stopped noticing long ago and doesn't seem to be appropriate any longer after One Tamriel. For a new player even trying to convey how level scaling works (all content should be right regardless of your level) versus how important gear quality, build and Sets are. Even with a magic/bow build (which has correctly been pointed out as completely non-viable) with good gear and food buffs should still be pretty easy for a low level character except where unexplained mechanics are involved. I've seen a boss in a quest stymie a dozen new players simply because it had self-heals and no one present knew to interrupt it. Veteran players should (but don't always) know that snakey yellow beams and a prayerful stance tend to mean a mob is healing itself or it's allies but it's certainly not obvious at first.

Wolfenbelle

@Cletus if you are on PC NA server, look me up in the game, @Wolfenbelle. I'll be happy to help you. I've been in this game continuously for three years and while I'm not an absolute elite player, I can explain most of the game to you.

While leveling, I recommend trying out both magicka and stamina based skills unless you already know what style you want to play later on. While leveling, what is called a hybrid build is actually the best way to go. Later on you will put most or all of your character attribute points into the resource of your choice, usually either stamina or magicka. But for now, spending them equally in magicka, health and stamina is perfectly fine.

You didn't mention which class your character is: dragonknight, nightblade, sorcerer or templar. Or what race: Argonian, Breton, one of the three elfs, Orc, Imperial, etc. Although you can play any class/race combo with any playstyle (stamina, magicka or hybrid), some just work better with magicka and some with stamina. Hybrid builds have not been the best at end game, but this might change with the Morrowind release. Also, what role do you prefer: healer, tank or damage dealer (DPS)?

At level 14 these are the kinds of basic decisions you should make and then work toward getting good at what you want to do.

Weapon choice and gear also matter a lot. At level 15 you can use two weapons, so depending on what role you want to play, select another weapon line to level up. I love the bow and have played it since I was level 11, but it is more of a support weapon than a main one for most people. If you want to DPS with weapons, choose 2 handed or dual wield and go toward a stamina build. If you want to DPS with magicka, choose the destruction staff. If you want to tank, choose sword and shield and a hybrid build with lots of health. If you want to be a healer choose a magicka build with the restoration staff.

These are all recommendations for leveling. There is more to learn as you level, but these are the basics.

DRXHarbinger

DocFrost72 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

Dude, he's questing. If this were a dungeon runner trying to do that, you'd be mostly right and I wouldn't have responded. The OP only mentioned he wants to quest. He can do that in heavy armor and one one handed sword.

Yes YOU can, but for someone what seems has no experience or CP at all this makes it in fact completely and utterly different for us max levels. You cannot honestly say during your scrub days you didn't struggle. for a new starter what you're saying isn't viable by any means.

Fallen_Ray

This ain't skyrim nor oblivion. Just another MMO that uses Elder Scrolls paint coat. Stick to the traditional MMO play-styles. Do not try a hybrid until you fully understand how builds work in this game. Trust me I'm saving you a headache. Hybrids are possible and can perform well in both pvp and group contents but they require A LOT of planning.

And you're just beginning. You're about to realize you can have a second skill bar and additional weapon in one more lvl. Pick your favorite damage type and stick to it for the time being. If it's physical max out stamina, if its spells then max out magicka

Voxicity

DocFrost72 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Being the intuitive game this is...

You cannot run a bow and magic build period. You need to go effectively all weapons and max out your stamina resource pool or staff and magic skills and max out your magika resource pool. This way you will be hugely more combat effective.

I'm afraid this is correct... in the current version of the game (and recent versions), there's NO place for hybrid builds and you are effectively gimping yerself.

*Sigh*

Hybrids, like anything, can exist and can perform well extremely poorly and way below average. They are harder, and they do not give you top tier dps, but especially next patch, this statement is just flat out wrong.

You made a spelling error, fixed it for ya

No, I said what I meant and meant what I said. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine

I want to believe it, I just can't

Shadow_Viper_vX

There's alot of awesome guide videos on YouTube.

Deltia's Gaming is one such channel and has helped my understanding of the game a ton.

Darlgon

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Pick your favorite damage type and stick to it for the time being. If it's physical max out stamina, if its spells then max out magicka

Lol.. my advice is to train all of the skill lines up to 50, so its easy to swap, even if you have to pay for a respec. /shrug.

Cletus

Sorry I left out so much information about my character.
I am a Sorcerer Dark Magic.
I have the Ultimate absorption field 1, Crystal fragments 1, shattering and rune prison 1, Passives of unholy knowledge 2/2 and blood magic 1/2.

Weapon is bow. focused aim 1, endless hail 1, draining shot 1, arrow spray 1.
Passives Longshot 1/2, accuracy 2/2, ranger 1/2.

Armor is heavy with no abilities added.

Soul magic that I haven't used yet but have 1 point in soul summons.

Character is a wood elf in Grahtwood.
skyshards 24/381
skill points to allocate 3

Attribute points: magic 8, health 5, stamina 3

All my armor is heavy and green 3 pieces help magic, 3 pieces help stamina, 1 piece helps health. This is all loot reward armor. 2 pieces are part of the green pact set. Pieces are either 13 or 111 level.

Bow is Brackenleafs Bough reward loot. level 11.


I tried just using bow as I have in 2 previous builds. This wood elf has gone farther than the others that I stopped at level 9 and 11. I started using magic because I needed a backup to running out of stamina and could no longer attack. With the magic I can continue the fight until magic runs out and by that time my stamina has filled enough to use.

I do know to block when a mob has white lines radiating from it. And to exploit with red lines are radiating.
I do try and watch some utube vids of the game to learn what I am doing wrong.

DjMuscleboy02

rynth wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Another example of why we need a tutorial that explains how max resources scale to your damage. This is why we get players running into dungeons light attack plunking and then come to forums to ask why they got kicked. Sadly, it is to no fault of their own, but an simply extremely poor introduction to the game.

no that is not the case and even if they did guess what they would still come here and ask for advice(which there is nothing wrong with the ops post). To back up my answer just look at crafting you have all sorts of in game information and people still ask about crafting as if they didn't read it (and again there is nothing wrong with this....though reading would help out)

I'm not sure I follow you, are you saying we don't need a better tutorial? Or are you saying people won't ever do their own research? Because I agree that it's unreasonable to expect everyone to research for themselves, but the tutorial is currently just another quest that teaches you next to nothing. If I hadn't have read up on the game before playing I'd have been running around as a high elf templar using a bow and resto staff.

Rohamad_Ali

Cletus wrote: »

Sorry I left out so much information about my character.
I am a Sorcerer Dark Magic.
I have the Ultimate absorption field 1, Crystal fragments 1, shattering and rune prison 1, Passives of unholy knowledge 2/2 and blood magic 1/2.

Weapon is bow. focused aim 1, endless hail 1, draining shot 1, arrow spray 1.
Passives Longshot 1/2, accuracy 2/2, ranger 1/2.

Armor is heavy with no abilities added.

Soul magic that I haven't used yet but have 1 point in soul summons.

Character is a wood elf in Grahtwood.
skyshards 24/381
skill points to allocate 3

Attribute points: magic 8, health 5, stamina 3

All my armor is heavy and green 3 pieces help magic, 3 pieces help stamina, 1 piece helps health. This is all loot reward armor. 2 pieces are part of the green pact set. Pieces are either 13 or 111 level.

Bow is Brackenleafs Bough reward loot. level 11.


I tried just using bow as I have in 2 previous builds. This wood elf has gone farther than the others that I stopped at level 9 and 11. I started using magic because I needed a backup to running out of stamina and could no longer attack. With the magic I can continue the fight until magic runs out and by that time my stamina has filled enough to use.

I do know to block when a mob has white lines radiating from it. And to exploit with red lines are radiating.
I do try and watch some utube vids of the game to learn what I am doing wrong.

All your attributes are in magic but your using a bow . That's a stamina weapon . Switch to a destruction staff for better damage . If you want to play a stamina Sorc with a bow , put more points in stamina in the future and switch over to bow again . Skills to unlock as a StamSorc are different the Magsorc . You'll want hurricane , bound armaments , crit surge , streak .

A hybrid of the two is difficult and should be avoided at low level . Be sure to buy food to increase stats and quick a lot potions for heals and resources .

Artemiisia

ok lots to take on here

yes hybrid builds works, and many are using it for both fun and questing, instead of always having to go with the people min/maxer builds, and espeically for questing almost everything works, it just takes longer and more effort

with choosing a bow as weapon, and going the magicka way, it will make things harder since all bow skills uses stamina and the damage you do with them scale of your stamina pool, bow is also mainly for pvp and for utility use in pve, bow has some great dots (damage over time skills) poison arrow and endless hall that is great for bow users on 2nd bar.

at level 15 you get another bar, I recommend if you going with bow, is use duelweilding for main bar, and get bloodthirst and bloodcraze skills in that skill line, both gives you heal when you do damage to stuff and whildwhind for aoe (area of effect skill) in same skill line as well

and yeah if you wanna be stronger put attributes into stamina to use these skills if you wanna keep bow as your weapon


for starting a fight with these build, im keeping it simple

use back bar first (bow) start with endless hall + poison arrow
switch to
front bar
use bloodcraze (another dot) and spam bloodthirst (whieldwind for aoe)

one tip also I didnt learn for a while, you can block cast

means some skill can be used while you are blocking, and that will do so you wont take that much damage, but will use more of your stamina while doing so.

race only matters if you wanna be competitive in endgame, otherwise have fun being what ever you like

static_recharge

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

At level 14 you can use two weapons, so depending on what role you want to play, select another weapon line to level up.

Weapon swap doesn't unlock until 15 just to make sure you don't confuse him.

davidxbo

Lots of good advice already on here but adding my 2 cents.
Check your character screen and see the rating for your gear (4 potential stars).
Ideally, keep this at 3-4 star to make the game not too challenging. Also check you have been spending your attribute and skill points - without this it would be hard. Don't rely on just what drops - try to craft or buy gear that has the right perks (traits and enchanments) and level.

During combat are you taking advantage of blocking, rolls, interrupts - it's not a matter of just going toe to toe with a boss and hoping you out damage him. You will need to know when to block, when to stun, how to interrupt or keep them at bay (especially if you are a ranged attacker).

Also consider buying or crafting food which will give you a buff to max health that may help.

Finally as noted you probably want to specialise as either stamina or magic build so either weapons or magic rather than both on a single character.

Also welcome to invite me to give a hand if on EU servers.

Acrolas

I'd recommend grabbing the unstable familiar and morphing it to the clannfear. If you're going to experiment with the bow, then at least your sorc pet can tank mobs while you range attack them.

Shattering and rune is redundant. Go with shattering for now for more mileage out of it.
Grab dark exchange and then morph depending on if you have a deficiency in magicka or stamina.

I spent a year creating and deleting characters before I ever made my first competitive one. Dying sucks, but the above should give you a little more hardiness without robbing you of finding your own learning curve for the type of character you want to play.

Magdalina

Cletus wrote: »

<heavy armor, dark magic and bow>

That's pretty much the worst of 3 worlds, unfortunately. I mean, it seems viable on first sight but with how the game works, it really isn't effective. Heavy armor isn't really worth it unless you're going the tank route, you're missing out on SO much(especially on later levels once you get the armor passives) for that illusion of defense. Heavy armor doesn't buff your damage at all. Medium armor immensely buffs the damage of your stamina based skills(such as bow and some skills' stam morphs) while light armor greatly buffs your magicka based skills. All armor types have great passives for wearing 5 piece of that armor type, so if you don't want to feel squishy perhaps go 5 medium+2 heavy or something(heavy on big pieces which have more armor).

I'd say make a choice, either go all out stamina(wood elf synergizes well with that) - all points into stamina, at least 5 pc medium armor and only skills using stamina(except for some utility), that'd be bow skills and for sorc, stamina morph of Lightning form and Bound armor skills. For utility, Rune prison is still a nice cc and Bolt Escape is great mobility, and Surge morphs to a great buff buffing your stamina skills' damage too. For a heal, I'd suggest looking into 2h/dw, I think Rally and something in dw skill tree has a heal. At level 15 you'll be able to swap between 2 weapons so there's that. Lateron, Vigor from Alliance War skill tree is a great stamina based heal.

Or go all out magicka - all points into magicka, at least 5 pieces light armor, staff for a weapon and only skills using magicka. Magicka has more going for it in terms of surviveability as they can use resto staff for heals and use damage shields to avoid even getting damaged in the first place. Mag sorcs can also use pets for getting through content much easier. Stamina builds can block and dodge more.

Also if you can get your hands on some food it'd probably be a great help, there's food buffing all resources, health+magicka, health+stamina and even special foods buffing health+resource+resource regen though these are a bit pricey. You could also have someone craft you a full set of set gear, it's not necessary but it would make you a lot stronger.

Kodrac

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

There's alot of awesome guide videos on YouTube.

Deltia's Gaming is one such channel and has helped my understanding of the game a ton.

@MissBizz has some good videos for newbies wanting to learn the ways of the ESO.

Wolfenbelle

static_recharge wrote: »

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

At level 14 you can use two weapons, so depending on what role you want to play, select another weapon line to level up.

Weapon swap doesn't unlock until 15 just to make sure you don't confuse him.

Typo...doing all this on my cell phone, which is not easy, but thanks for the correction for the OP's sake.

Nestor

Its been a few weeks since I have posted my beginner guides so here goes: (open the spoilers)

Combat in this game comes down to Skill Rotations, with Light or Heavy Attacks interspersed. So, it's more like 1,2,3,4,1,2,3 dead. Pick your skill rotations so that one skill will set up or buff another skill. For example, use a skill that Snares, then a skill that gives Damage over Time to an area so the snared mobs spend longer in pain, then use a spam damage skill. This is just one example.

Once you learn a good rotation, then you can weave in light or heavy attacks between the skills to extend the resource pool you play from. So it's more like 1, LMB, 2, LMB,3, LMB, 4, LMB, 1 Dead. Then once you learn how to weave attacks, then you can start animation canceling to up your DPS.

So, attacks are not just a spam of the Left Mouse Button, but an application of your skills and weapon attacks.

You add in Blocking (reduce damage), Bashing (interrupting a caster or heavy attack wind up), Dodge Rolling (double click on a WASD key to avoid damage and get out of red quickly). Throw in some terrain advantage, and your basically a Mobile, Agile and Hostile wrecking machine.

As for Gear, well, while leveling, gear does not matter as long as you have something. It does not have to be best in slot, or even all that good. Also, we have lots of dropped set pieces so if you spend any time in a zone, you will more than likely pick up a set or two to wear. Each zone has a Magic, a Stamina and a Health or Tank set. Since everything scales, you can use this gear longer than you would think from the levels. It is only once you reach CP160 that you really want to worry about the gear, and by then you will have a good idea of what to use and where to farm for it.

Until then, the most important thing with gear is to wear a mix of it (light/medium/heavy) so they all level up somewhat equally. Also, have one skill from each of the 3 class skill lines on your bar at all times, and at least one weapon skill. For the 5th, it can be another weapon or attack skill or a support skill or some skill you want to level.

Leveling Strategy:

While leveling you should be preparing your self for the future, not your build (as that will change). So:

1. While leveling, have one class skill from each class on your bars at all times. Classes level the slowest, so get them done now.
2. Have at least one weapon skill on your bar at all times
3. Have a flex or support skill you want to level at all times
4. Once the skill gets to the Morph stage, then put another one on the bar to level that rather than take the morph.

Your not going to have the best DPS now, but you will have the most flexibility later. You can apply this to both bars equally or some other way, but this is the best method while leveling 1 to 50. Reason, the game handicaps you right now to make you stronger than you really are. So, take advantage of that. You don't need the optimal skill load out, you need the optimal leveling load out.

Also, try to wear at least one of each weight of armor to get all those lines leveled.

Once you get up to or near 50, you should have all the skills that matter at Morph stage, your armors at 50 and most important, your classes at 50. Then, you can optimize your build.

1. Have one class skill on your bar at all times, swapping them out once the skill reaches Morph stage. Worry about your Morphs later.
2. Have one weapon skill on your bar at all times, again until Morph stage
3. Wear a mix of all 3 armor types so they all level about equally
4. From L1 to L20, invest in attack skills and actives, no passives yet.
5. From L20 to L35 start investing in Passives and Support Skills and unlocking any attack skills as they come available.
6. From L35 to L50 start investing in Morphs (but only if all your class skills are at the Morph Stage), Passives and Crafting Skills
7 From CP10 to CP160 try out dropped sets to see which ones fit your playstyle, don't worry about traits right now, fill in passives and actives you may have missed
8. Grind on Dolmens to level your Fighters Guild, and find the Lore Books to level Mages Guild
9. Do some stealing to level Legerdemain, best source for money in the game
10. Decon every piece of gear you get that you are not going to use immediately to level equipment crafting, no need to invest skills points until Champ Ranks.

LadyLavina

I'm not miracle workering, I'm just doctoring


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