Increase cast time on Dark Deal

Kay1

Hahahahhaa huge nerf someone said.


I laught at your face while contemplating Leeching Strikes recovering 1k stamina after 10 attacks.

Kay1

Emma_Overload wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Is this the community that yelps about ZOS always tending to extreme nerfs instead of small, incremental changes?

So why do sorcs get incrementals and the other classes get nuked?

There's nothing incremental about the change to Pirate Skeleton in this same patch. It's a HUGE nerf to Sorcs, but even got a buffed proc rate for other classes.

Yeah, very huge, once I go home I will delete my 2 Sorcs.

This forum is going to kill me one day.

BNOC

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

This is actually a pretty huge nerf. A good opponent could literally lock you out of your main sustain in a 1v1 and it was almost impossible to use while getting dogpiled. I'm not really sure how I feel about this change.

A good opponent already interrupted stam sorcs if the stam sorc wasn't smart enough to create separation. A .2 second increase is a joke.

Smart opponent can counter DD while smart stamsorc can counter smart opponent, and for that reason increase chances to counter DD of smart stamsorc is a joke... #Logic.

I main a magplar. If a stam sorc is dumb enough to stay in melee range while dark dealing, I'll interrupt it. If he's smart enough to create separation, (leave bash range) then there's nothing I can do to interrupt him. A .2 second increase won't fix that. That is logic.

Magplar gap closer literally is an interrupt. All you have to do is press one button and you get the interrupt.

The magplar gap closer is horrible. Most competent magplars haven't bothered slotting it in over a year.

?

Every top magplar in PC EU uses it. Most of the top magplars in PC NA also use it.

ZOS must have fixed it on pc because it rarely works on console. It's a death wish for us.

Lol, why? It literally is garbage and has been for a long time.

@Ron_Burgundy_79 I'm with you.

Izaki

Tiitus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

This is actually a pretty huge nerf. A good opponent could literally lock you out of your main sustain in a 1v1 and it was almost impossible to use while getting dogpiled. I'm not really sure how I feel about this change.

bolt escape then DD your issue is solved in 1v1 scenario. no decent sorc would put themselves in a situation to not be able to cast DD. any class has trouble when they are being dogpiled.. in a pve scenario DD goes uncontested.

If you're using DD in PvE you will get kicked from any serious group. Do you know how much DPS you lose in 1 sec of channeling? Let me give you a hint. If you're doing 40k DPS, you've just lost 40k damage. Oh but the ability is also a channel? Well then there's also a GCD of 0.3 sec before you can perform any other action. You don't use Dark Deal in PvE ever. Maybe in vMA between rounds when you're still getting used to it. As a Sorc Mag or Stam you don't have any way to recover resources in PvE without sacrificing DPS or doing a heavy attack. Sorcs rely much more on group support than other classes.

Kay1

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Tiitus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

This is actually a pretty huge nerf. A good opponent could literally lock you out of your main sustain in a 1v1 and it was almost impossible to use while getting dogpiled. I'm not really sure how I feel about this change.

bolt escape then DD your issue is solved in 1v1 scenario. no decent sorc would put themselves in a situation to not be able to cast DD. any class has trouble when they are being dogpiled.. in a pve scenario DD goes uncontested.

If you're using DD in PvE you will get kicked from any serious group. Do you know how much DPS you lose in 1 sec of channeling? Let me give you a hint. If you're doing 40k DPS, you've just lost 40k damage. Oh but the ability is also a channel? Well then there's also a GCD of 0.3 sec before you can perform any other action. You don't use Dark Deal in PvE ever. Maybe in vMA between rounds when you're still getting used to it. As a Sorc Mag or Stam you don't have any way to recover resources in PvE without sacrificing DPS or doing a heavy attack. Sorcs rely much more on group support than other classes.

I'm not sure if you're trolling, I know the whole group that is #1 on my server in Trials and they all use Dark Conversion on their Overload bar, I use it, all my friends use it, I don't know what to say to be honest is in my opinion the strongest resource management skill in this game because it also heal you, let's not talk about the hundreds of Trials mechanics that requires to stop attacking a boss or switching position, any skilled player will cancel his overload in half a second and spam it to get all his resources back.

Brutusmax1mus

Biro123 wrote: »

20% reduction in rate of burst recovery..

Honestly, there is no way whatsoever that the sorc-haters will be happy with any changes which does not involve it being removed from every sorcs bar.

I've explains already how sustained recovery isn't much betterr than, eg. Siphoning.. Due to low recov of the stat needed to cast it.

People still talking like stamsorc have infinite mag to cast it.

Streak to D/D. Yeah.. That works, but on bg's, after 1 streak, you have enough mag for 2 D/D's. How long till your mag recovers to cast it again..?

About the time it takes to run out of stamina again. At least on live any way. With the cp changes and cost increase people are going to be surprised on how it effects dd i think.

Tiitus

Subversus wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

No matter what nerfs Zos do to sorcs, it's quite clear all the pugs won't stop crying until sorcs are literally trash tier and unplayable.

It's actually quite funny because all these pugs will hop onto stamplars next patch when they realise that mag sorc won't even be the strongest class next patch due to stamplar being around, and will then proceed to cry when Zos nerf stamplar in the next patch after Morrowind.

Everyone be hatin on them sorcs being "op" but I bet nobody will play them next patch once they realize that other classes are better... smh sorc itself was never op, gear and CP made it like that and both are gone now. Ah well pugs will never stop crying

Oh yeah and dark conversion but I think that's nerfed enough imo, 20% is more than enough.

Have you played pts or done any research from pts regarding the changes to all the classes? It def seems you haven't, if yur too lazy to test yurself go watch any recent alcast video, the guy goes into great detail on how each class is performing on pts even warden *SPOILER* sorc still at the top.. all other classes are hitting 25k-32k, sorc sitting at 40k "balanced"