Serious problem with proposed igneous shield change. ATTENTION NEEDED NOW TO FIX THIS @COMMUNITY

templesus

Third time posting this, hopefully zeninax gives it attention.



Serious problem with proposed igneous shield change.

Currently on live igneous shield does not stack. With the proposed changes your own igneous has to be up for you to get major mending. Unless you revert proposed change or make igneous stack the following problems will occur: Im pvping with a friend, both on stam dks, I use my igneous to get major mending and immediately after mine, my friend uses his to get major mending himself. Because they don't stack, and this is how it is on live as well as pts, his shield visually takes mine off and replaces it. This would effectively mean you can LOSE your major mending if you are playing with other dks, as they can take your shield off of you with their's. The only way to prevent this would be to either REVERT the changes like everyone wants, or make igneous stack.

@Zos_GinaBruno @Wrobel @Zos_RichLambert this needs to be addressed. Asap.

TheStealthDude

This is actually an interesting problem that deserves attention. While I can understand the igneous changes in terms of overall balance of major mending, you should not be put in a situation where your teamates can take away your buffs.

Perhaps they can make it so that your buff still persists as long as you have ANY igneous shield buff or until 6 seconds (whichever is shorter)?

ZOS should definitely address this.

wisej12

This is a very important point that needs to be addressed.

templesus

I've notified the Devs about this since the pts was released. Has yet to even be acknowledged.

Sugaroverdose

@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert i'm pretty sure you didn't intended this

Joy_Division

Just proof ZoS just nerfs without testing the implications of said nerfs.

Durham

Not only but the nerf to ingenious shields is 60% on helping hands for stam builds...its almost worthless at this point

Wrekkedd

This is it. If this does not get attention by launch, i'm done. Such an EASY fix, small and will not interfere with the "vision" of the game the devs have.

VonSwaego

The likelihood of you ever playing with another DK after this patch is so minimal, I doubt it will be addressed.

templesus

VonSwaego wrote: »

The likelihood of you ever playing with another DK after this patch is so minimal, I doubt it will be addressed.

That was my presumption as well.

spiiros

You're not exciting about a 2k light attack taking away your major mending?

HugeMuffin

templesus wrote: »

VonSwaego wrote: »

The likelihood of you ever playing with another DK after this patch is so minimal, I doubt it will be addressed.

That was my presumption as well.

Why would you need more than one DK in PTS? Wouldn't a warden off tank be better?

Weps

You know, I bet people try really hard to give constructive feedbacks.
But you're making this even harder.
Like 300% harder.
Just like with patches

FlyLionel

tinbromide wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

VonSwaego wrote: »

The likelihood of you ever playing with another DK after this patch is so minimal, I doubt it will be addressed.

That was my presumption as well.

Why would you need more than one DK in PTS? Wouldn't a warden off tank be better?

Yes! The aoe ult would be amazing/extra off healing and that armour buff etc...Jeez the utility just in terms of looking is crazy good...plus you'll want a dps/healer/off tank for the aoe major debuff on all trash? Yesss..

templesus

tinbromide wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

VonSwaego wrote: »

The likelihood of you ever playing with another DK after this patch is so minimal, I doubt it will be addressed.

That was my presumption as well.

Why would you need more than one DK in PTS? Wouldn't a warden off tank be better?

This isn't just a matter of PVE it affects PVP as well. People please dont derail this topic about wardens vs dk tanking etc this is serious and needs to be addressed

Sigtric

tying a buff to a minuscule shield uptime was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in my history of MMOs, and I hadn't even considered this part of it. Considering I was only ever using Ig for the mending buff to begin with... wow.

This needs fixed for sure.

Veg

bump for interest. Didn't the other major mending buffs get changed to 3 seconds? Why not do the same for dks?

templesus

Veg wrote: »

bump for interest. Didn't the other major mending buffs get changed to 3 seconds? Why not do the same for dks?

Templar lost it altogether.

DisgracefulMind

templesus wrote: »

Third time posting this, hopefully zeninax gives it attention.



Serious problem with proposed igneous shield change.

Currently on live igneous shield does not stack. With the proposed changes your own igneous has to be up for you to get major mending. Unless you revert proposed change or make igneous stack the following problems will occur: Im pvping with a friend, both on stam dks, I use my igneous to get major mending and immediately after mine, my friend uses his to get major mending himself. Because they don't stack, and this is how it is on live as well as pts, his shield visually takes mine off and replaces it. This would effectively mean you can LOSE your major mending if you are playing with other dks, as they can take your shield off of you with their's. The only way to prevent this would be to either REVERT the changes like everyone wants, or make igneous stack.

@Zos_GinaBruno @Wrobel @Zos_RichLambert this needs to be addressed. Asap.

This seems to be what ZoS is going with, though. Look at the change to Repentance as well. They don't want multiple classes in the same group it seems xD

Seriously though, this is a HUGE problem. Players should not be punished for playing the same class as their friend.

templesus

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel any update?? Is this intended or not??

vortexman11

This just makes me wonder if it was innocently overlooked, or they actually had no idea how the skill functioned. Im just going to patiently wait to see how else they mess up the skill trying to find a solution, since we all know ZOS doesn't revert changes.

Dyride

I've thought that the Major Mending buff should last at least 3 secs, or the shield duration, whichever is longer. Seems like a simple and fair fix.

templesus

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel any news on when this will be fixed?

Durham

4k magicka for 900 stam, horrible shield, which means major mending will not be up anyway ... this is all a mute point .. This change is not needed and over kill.... just the blocking nerf by itself will literally destroy the stam DK in pvp... I'm just think in general this is a horrible change the class is suffering in pvp...

Zakor

I would be laughing if this wouldn't be so damn sad. Haven't even thought about this being an issue.

In my opinion the shield is dead now (and so is my DK-Heal...). Zos finally managed to cripple the DK enough to kill him. Tested my DK vs a Warden template on PTS and well, guess how it turned out... Time to switch to Warden i guess *sigh*

DKs desperatly need some love ZOS. Maybe start with reverting the changes on the shield?

DaveMoeDee

I'm pretty sure there were already problems like this with some skills. I remember a discussion about people with with infused having their buff replaced in a group by the same buff without infused.

Sugaroverdose

Durham wrote: »

4k magicka for 900 stam, horrible shield, which means major mending will not be up anyway ... this is all a mute point .. This change is not needed and over kill.... just the blocking nerf by itself will literally destroy the stam DK in pvp... I'm just think in general this is a horrible change the class is suffering in pvp...

Most stamDK what i see in Cyro does not run S&B at all, meanwhile most mDK does run it, so it's more about mDK nerf, who already forced to replace one S&B bar with restro staff, making dragon blood rework in homestead completely pointless.

DerpyShadowz

The fact the devs cant even see issues like this occurring before they are in the public's hands is just disastrous as usual.

Dragath

the whole change to igneous is bad design.
they wanted to reduce the up time of major mending and came up with an idea that doesn't work at all.
either there is no damage incoming, which means major mending is still up for the full duration and not needed, or there is damage and major mending would be useful, but the shield and mending is gone instantly, because its too small.
they tried to come up with something fancy and failed, instead of just reducing the duration of it.

Subversus

They should just revert the change and cut the major mending window in like half instead of messing with mechanics. I can already see this ability being broken for 85 days (wink wink) before it gets fixed smh

@Wrobel

Asgari

Bump. Is this being fixed?