Dropped sets SHOULD be better than crafted.

Keep_Door

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

Another 2 months! Im almost done! Although it is my own fault. I took skill points out of the speed increase when I was done with pieces I use.

IcyDeadPeople

It's already cheaper, faster and easier to purchase some of the popular and much stronger sets like spinners, spriggan, elegance, agility, etc from any guild trader.

Coming up with build ideas is not any more fun if it takes months of PVE grinding to get the set. It's more fun when there are a lot of different viable sets with different effects that make choices interesting. Currently the only popular crafted sets are Clever Alchemist, Hunding's Rage, Julianos, Seducer, Twice Born Star. Certainly wouldn't hurt to buff a few more of these sets, some of which are completely useless.

And crafted sets don't include jewelry, so they will always need to be combined with a dropped set.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

Another 2 months! Im almost done! Although it is my own fault. I took skill points out of the speed increase when I was done with pieces I use.

Get em! I almost forgot the hundreds of thousands of gold I spent on nirncrux stuff. No bid OP.

wolfdoggie_ESO

Current RNG system doesn't award hard work so why? It's pure luck that you get those sets. I rather just skip the whole thing and craft everything instead of that eternal frustration till something is improved about it.

Kodrac

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

It's cheaper, faster and easier to purchase some of these much better and more popular sets like spinners, spriggan, agility, etc from any guild trader.

Coming up with build ideas is certainly not any more fun if it takes months of PVE grinding to get the set. It's more fun when there are a lot of different viable sets with different effects that make choices interesting.

And crafted sets don't include jewelry, so they will always need to be combined with a dropped set.

I agree. Plus, we need jewelry crafting.

Keep_Door

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

Well i havent out anytime into crafting, yet i can get someone to craft me a set for free in my guild or super cheap. So i may just talk to you about time.

linoge63

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

...and some of us pve non advanced players appreciate these crafters that can offer us gear that's potent enough to enjoy and not have to go braindead playing end game arenas etc... I paid a lot of gold to a crafter for my gear and every bit of it was worth it

DanaDark

I am new, and still not that great with crafting. Made lvl 20, decided to craft myself gear. Spent every resource I had, got myself a full set of blue heavy armor to go parade in.

Immediately did a dungeon. Replaced half my recently crafted stuff with dropped blue stuff that was better. Did another dungeon. Full set bonus and no more crafted. It was hands down better.

Sort of disappointed. Was a lot more work getting blacksmithing up than it was to run through two dungeons. Maybe later levels are different.

#NewBroProblems amiright?

flguy147ub17_ESO

So i should have to spend 100s of hours farming PVE for my gear and build in order to enjoy what i want to do the most which is PVP. Terrible design.

AcadianPaladin

I strongly disagree with the idea that dropped should be better than crafted. I much prefer to avoid all the unpredictable work of farming and invest in all the predictable work of learning to be a master crafter. I can understand that some folks don't want to be bothered becoming a master crafter and, for them, farming dropped sets should be a reasonable alternative.

That is to say, I can accept dropped sets being good as long as I can craft sets that are just as good. Right now dropped sets have the advantage and that pisses me off to no end.

Either type can be had for no time and lots of gold if that is your thing.

KramUzibra

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

Right me too! The crafted sets should gradually get better and better depending on the traits level... 8 and 9 trait sets should be better or at least equal to any drop set.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Keep_Door wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

I took a year and a half leveling every crafting trait. Don't talk to me about time.

Well i havent out anytime into crafting, yet i can get someone to craft me a set for free in my guild or super cheap. So i may just talk to you about time.

This was my assumption when you posted. Here is the reality of the situation.

- At it's absolute fastest a player will take over 9 months to become a true master crafter. A normal person can take up to 2 years if they are not really carefully about it.
- It also costs half a million easily just for the nirncrux traits.
- Motifs are a separate expense but, well, no one wants a super awesome set that's in a launch motif. I have about 60% of them and have spent over 1 million gold on just motifs.


The PVE grind has nothing on this grind.

WalksonGraves

yeah those zone sets sure are hard to get. 10k gold at any guild vendor, what a challenge!

Dracane

It should not, yet it is.
The only issue with dropped sets is the rng barrier to get the exact thing you want.
But crafting requires months of work in order to perfectionate it and sadly, almost all crafted sets are complete garbage.

Keep_Door

wolfdoggie_ESO wrote: »

Current RNG system doesn't award hard work so why? It's pure luck that you get those sets. I rather just skip the whole thing and craft everything instead of that eternal frustration till something is improved about it.

Im sorry "hard work" ....? Isnt this a video gamed played for fun.........

Since when did any games become "hard work" ?

Rng is rng praise him and you shall be rewarded.

Kodrac

WalksonGraves wrote: »

yeah those zone sets sure are hard to get. 10k gold at any guild vendor, what a challenge!

Content is the challenge, not the gear treadmill.

Docmandu

Strongly disagree with OP

Tholian1

Well crafting does take a large commitment of skill points for many months while researching all the traits.

I think there should be some stronger craftable sets that only master crafters that have learned all the traits can have access to. Make them bound on creation so people have to still put effort into getting the sets.

olsborg

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

Totally f disagree, its not like my crafting skills leveled themself and did so in 1 day, and not like all the traits I know came easy...ppl dont think.

Danksta

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

As a 9 trait crafter in everything, I approve this message.

ThePaleItalian

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

Sets should be dropped and craftable:

Those who farm get what they want
Those who have money can buy the sets they want
Those who craft can do the same

TheBonesXXX

I don't pay a sub to grind months and months because some of the players are full bodied capable lazy *** who have no life while some of us work, go to school, and do everything else outside a hobby.

Especially when it takes the better part of a year to be able to be a 9 trait crafter, with that said, my time is a lot more precious to me than some plebs fun, because they sit around with a finger up their butt.

No labor in ESO, ever and at all. I absolutely HATE having to go through boring PvE *** in order to get the traits I want because the game just cant have a system where I pick my 2 set, three set, four set, and five set bonuses, so blow it out your bum, bub.

Theres no excuses if people are not confined to a wheelchair, laid off, or otherwise. Get a *** life.

geonsocal

bind on pickup stuff - maybe...bind on equip though should be comparable to crafted sets...

reasons: crafting skills take forever to complete, but, as you mentioned - most players have access through guilds, chat, guild traders...

bind on equip requires grinding, but, can still be acquired through guild traders...

it would be great to have some craftable spriggans and spinner equivalents...

better yet if we could actually craft jewelry

Keep_Door

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I don't pay a sub to grind months and months because some of the players are full bodied capable lazy *** who have no life while some of us work, go to school, and do everything else outside a hobby.

Especially when it takes the better part of a year to be able to be a 9 trait crafter, with that said, my time is a lot more precious to me than some plebs fun, because they sit around with a finger up their butt.

No labor in ESO, ever and at all. I absolutely HATE having to go through boring PvE *** in order to get the traits I want because the game just cant have a system where I pick my 2 set, three set, four set, and five set bonuses, so blow it out your bum, bub.

Theres no excuses if people are not confined to a wheelchair, laid off, or otherwise. Get a *** life.

Im not 100% sure what your trying to say.

STEVIL

Keep_Door wrote: »

This should be easy for anyone to understand. I mean a crafted set you can make the perfect trait 100% of the time get all the pieces you need and not to mention in your favorite style.

Dropped sets take time, hours, weeks, hell sometimes even months to get the prefect traits.

That being said crafting shouldnt be useless. I dont think it is. Sure compared to some dropped sets crafted sets seem week but thats how it should be.

First point of contention: A lot of quite good drop sets are BOE so that means you just need gold and guild stores to get them.

Second: being good at crafting takes a lot of time as well as skill points for the crafts. in addition to whatever adventuring skill lines the crafter wants they spend dozens into crafting only to get what? Right now their only unique thing is style.

third: Your logic is inconsistent with the game - ever notice how foods and drinks and poisons and glyphs and potions are all cases where the drops are clearly worse than the crafteds? See the uproar for "make dropped potions better?" See people wanting to go grind to get tri-stat potions and tri-stat foods that are better than all but a few crafted ones? Why not? if the game is made so much better by having RNG hide-n-seek dropped weapons that cost you no extra skill points to get - why not potions and food?

fourth: At its core you argument is built on sand because - it doesn't need to be either or but can be both. Right now every single build worth anything uses dropped gear. Every one. no exceptions. Why? because you cannot craft jewelry. unless you go without rings and jewels you are going to have to use dropped gear. period. They gave three of the fourteen gear slots exclusively to drops as a unique thing crafteds cannot touch. In addition they gave the following unique buuilding blocks to drops:
two piece shoulder-helm sets (drops only)
one to two piece weapon sets (drops only)
one to three piece wpn/jewel sets (drops only)

that makes four unique building blocks that are exclusive to drop sets.

that means drop sets are gonna be in place for every single build worth talking about.

they made an error in not giving crafted sets a similar unique building block to call its own that drops do not provide.

So for instance they could add 3pc body/wpn sets crafted only and four piece body/weapon sets crafted only. if they did this by allowing you to drop some of the 2-3-4 pc bonuses off existing sets it would rejuvenate some of them.

So you see even though they can guarantee drop sets for builds- they could also have given crafted the same type of seat at the table by giving crafted some unique elements too other than just style control and convenience.

So really it doesn't boil down to your either/or crafted better or dropped better. It could boil down to crafted for these, drops for that and a lot of crossover on the others resulting in average, good and top builds having both involved.

zaria

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

It's already cheaper, faster and easier to purchase some of the popular and much stronger sets like spinners, spriggan, elegance, agility, etc from any guild trader.

Coming up with build ideas is not any more fun if it takes months of PVE grinding to get the set. It's more fun when there are a lot of different viable sets with different effects that make choices interesting. Currently the only popular crafted sets are Clever Alchemist, Hunding's Rage, Julianos, Seducer, Twice Born Star. Certainly wouldn't hurt to buff a few more of these sets, some of which are completely useless.

And crafted sets don't include jewelry, so they will always need to be combined with a dropped set.

Sharpened weapons for popular dropped sets is fantasy, or you could buy an house instead.
Getting one in an dungeon LOL. You might get one before the next content update if farming hard.

And yes dropped sets at least dungeon set should be stronger because of this.
And as you can select who set you craft its pointless to craft an weak one
You have special sets like night silence for stealth who is pointless to farm.

KramUzibra

Tholian1 wrote: »

Well crafting does take a large commitment of skill points for many months while researching all the traits.

I think there should be some stronger craftable sets that only master crafters that have learned all the traits can have access to. Make them bound on creation so people have to still put effort into getting the sets.

Lol no bound crafted sets, I want to profit from my efforts....in gold

idk

I'd suggest dropped sets from the top content should be slightly better than crafted. Most of the rest of the sets would not need to be.

Tholian1

KramUzibra wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Well crafting does take a large commitment of skill points for many months while researching all the traits.

I think there should be some stronger craftable sets that only master crafters that have learned all the traits can have access to. Make them bound on creation so people have to still put effort into getting the sets.

Lol no bound crafted sets, I want to profit from my efforts....in gold

Well that's true and it would probably be a bad idea to encourage everyone to become crafters if you are doing it for the gold.

Would still be nice to have sets comparable to the dropped stuff.