I warned ya, Warden puts the W in P2W.

Smasherx74

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Warden's damage output is rubbish and reliant on either HP stacking or weapon skills. My God, give them something. Meanwhile, Sorcs are laughing their asses off inside their 15 stacked shields at this nonsense.

And Deltia released a "statement"? As if he's some sort of Apartheid sufferer making a political address? Why does everyone think they're the most important person on the planet? I like the guy's vids, but c'mon. Y'all need a reality check.

He spent 1000 hours+ in the game, made countless build videos that ended up being some of the best builds in game.

He has even sold his services to help people build their own optimal characters. He has more than enough credibility to give his input.

ManwithBeard9

Zvorgin wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Until the OP presents actual testing numbers, figures, parses, and factual evidence of the Warden being better than every class, you can let them be a cancerous troll.

Warden has reliable major mending

everyone else no longer has reliable major mending.


If you want numbers and statistics give me access to dev test server.

So Major Mending was removed from every skill except those found in the Warden's class skills? Oh, you dont even have access to the closed beta? So youre entire theory is based on information you dont have access to? How could you possibly have any idea how all 5 classes work exactly if you arent there to test?

It was removed from DK and Templar class skills. DK has it but only while the igneous shield is active which isn't long since it is so small, so maybe a second or 2 max. Believe resto skill line has it, and warden gets it 100% up time.

I saw, Igneous will get a revisit since it is such a horrible nerf. Templar change might stay. The Warden's access to it is still dependent on someone being under %50 health, they can easily lower that percentage or change it it Minor Mending as well. Still way to much PTS time to say the warden is way over the top come June.

Smasherx74

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Rhoric wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Rhoric wrote: »

We have pointed it out to you in your multiple topics before they were closed. You just can't seem to grasp the notion that you were wrong.

I just refuted your statement, can you please tell me how the game is not P2W?

No you didn't. We told you multiple times it is not pay to win. We should you proof but you ignored it.

Okay you're just baiting me now. Reported.


I told you how and what was P2W, I even elaborated on the definition and agreed label of P2W. You're telling me you have given me proof yet you haven't. Are you going to insist on making an illogical argument, or will you actually be reasonable.


You can't reason someone out of something they haven't been reasoned into. So I guess there is no hope of changing your mind on whether putting things that give a player a competitive advantage behind a paywall is P2W or not.

There is literal and non-literal P2W. This is literal p2w at this point, and multiple other things have been in the past.

Here is a list for you.

Imperial Race
Item sets
Warden class.


all have inherit competitive advantages over vanilla players that are placed behind a paywall. To get BiS you need to pay, to get an optimal race for builds, you need to pay.

"I'm gonna report you for not agreeing with me" Boy, if that isn't a sign of being wrong I don't know what is.

Reporting for baiting me with non-sense.

He continues on telling me the sky is green, I went above and beyond to explain and prove how the sky is blue.

If he can't accept facts, logic, and reasoning. Then there is no debate, it's just senseless arguing.

Majeure

I warned you! But did you listen to me? Oh, no, you knew it all, didn't you? Oh, it's just a harmless little bunny, isn't it? Well, it's always the same, I always--

Oh, shut up!

tspecherb14_ESO

Were blood elves, deathknights, worgens, pandas and demonhunters PTW considered PTW in WoW (added in xpacs). Beastmaster and the cats in EQ1 (Luclin xpac)? They werent when I played it, but just want to be clear what the standard is nowadays.

Smasherx74

tspecherb14_ESO wrote: »

Were blood elves, deathknights, worgens, pandas and demonhunters PTW considered PTW in WoW (added in xpacs). Beastmaster and the cats in EQ1 (Luclin xpac)? They werent when I played it, but just want to be clear what the standard is nowadays.

I don't know, all I know is I've addressed the argument the same way each time.

WoW has decades of content, a vast amount of combat skills and abilities. Too much for a single class or race to drastically impact the game. Where as in ESO you have a much simplier and smaller combat system and gameplay. There aren't a billion different numbers skills, there is a handful of them.

For example, making the only reliable major mending for Wardens then nerfing everyone else with it, is attempting to make the class P2W.

ManwithBeard9

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Warden's damage output is rubbish and reliant on either HP stacking or weapon skills. My God, give them something. Meanwhile, Sorcs are laughing their asses off inside their 15 stacked shields at this nonsense.

And Deltia released a "statement"? As if he's some sort of Apartheid sufferer making a political address? Why does everyone think they're the most important person on the planet? I like the guy's vids, but c'mon. Y'all need a reality check.

He spent 1000 hours+ in the game, made countless build videos that ended up being some of the best builds in game.

He has even sold his services to help people build their own optimal characters. He has more than enough credibility to give his input.

Deltia has been called out publicly for stealing theorycraft info and full out builds. If you want a look at Deltia's content before he publishes it, look on Tamriel Foundry.

Zvorgin

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Warden's damage output is rubbish and reliant on either HP stacking or weapon skills. My God, give them something. Meanwhile, Sorcs are laughing their asses off inside their 15 stacked shields at this nonsense.

And Deltia released a "statement"? As if he's some sort of Apartheid sufferer making a political address? Why does everyone think they're the most important person on the planet? I like the guy's vids, but c'mon. Y'all need a reality check.

In his defense, he released it privately to people who pay him to play the game and put out information. Someone else made it public so can't really hate on him like it or not.

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Hello everyone,

This post it to let you know that we've gone ahead and closed this thread. The reason being that this thread does not seem to be going anywhere good, and seemed more of an attempt to bait and bash, both of which being against the Forum Rules. While it is perfectly fine to openly discuss upcoming changes and how you would think they would be better, we ask that you do so in a more respectable manner to avoid the whole thread catching fire.

Thank you for understanding.