I warned ya, Warden puts the W in P2W.

Smasherx74

What I tell you, everyone lashed out at my thread saying "It's not pay to win because it's behind an expansion!! You get a new zone too!!!!! not p2w!!!!" well how about now? HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW?!?!? They nerfed your beloved class, they tore your characters non-existent soul out and threw it into oblivion. ALL HAIL WARDEN!!!! YOU THOUGHT WARDEN WASN'T GOING TO BE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER CLASSES?!?! LMAOOOO ZOS SURE TURNED THAT ONE AROUND ON YA DIDN'T THEY?!?!

You get what you deserve, NERF THEM ALL. Nerf stamina, nerf magicka, nerf nightblades, dk, templars, sorcs, you play it they nerf it!



Got more than like 26k stam? NERFFFED

Pulling more than 30k dps? NERFFFFFFED

Maintaining your group's resources? NERFFFFEDDDDDD

Oh I herd u liek Major Mending... NERRFFFFEDD

Izaki

Wut?

Zvorgin

Warden per the patch notes is only for those "who like to take hits, dealing damage or healing" as exactly quoted. I think our current toons are completely fine....

MotokoKusanagi34

Deltia agrees with you. Here's his statement via Patreon:

Izaki

Its just a game man, chill out ^.^ still about a month and a half before launch

Browiseth

what does warden have to do with anything

pls answer before thread lock

Smasherx74

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Wut?

I made a thread about Warden being P2w, it went for about 12 pages then we removed because there was too much baiting being done by trolls who couldn't accept Warden being P2W because it was behind morrowind expansion and they weren't sure if it's OP or not.


Now everyone has their answer, I did my best. You all deserve this. Good job I tried to warn you.

Smasherx74

Browiseth wrote: »

what does warden have to do with anything

pls answer before thread lock

They nerfed every other class and many aspects of the game to account for Wardens lackluster on the dev server.

Instead of fixing the balance, they chose to nerf everything and make wardens op. I warned everyone that they would ensure wardens stay one of the best if not the best class at atleast one or more roles. They've done so by nerfing everything across the board, insteado f taking the time and effort to balance the game, they *** it all up.

Cadbury

Just gonna leave this here before lock

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra

Zvorgin

Warden is definitely P2W.

Shadow_Viper_vX

The Warden is part of the Morrowwind expansion...

Expansion content is not pay to win....it's an expansion, are you new to MMOs?

Stop complaining....

brandonv516

I'll show them!

I'll pay for morrowind with all of the crowns I saved from susbscribing and THEN I'll unsubscribe and play for free.

Oh wait...

Smasherx74

Cadbury wrote: »

Just gonna leave this here before lock

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra

Why would it be locked? I'm neither baiting nor trolling. I'm presenting a very valid concern and adding a touch of humor into the mix. If anything this thread should be stickied then fowarded to every ZOS employee.

Warden is specifically designed for these nerfs so it becomes OP.


Edit: btw, i'm just going to leave this here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

Pallio

This is the definition of P2W, when you have to spend $$ to play a viable class.

Pay your $$ = Win, or gimp along on some other class.

Zvorgin

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

what does warden have to do with anything

pls answer before thread lock

They nerfed every other class and many aspects of the game to account for Wardens lackluster on the dev server.

Instead of fixing the balance, they chose to nerf everything and make wardens op. I warned everyone that they would ensure wardens stay one of the best if not the best class at atleast one or more roles. They've done so by nerfing everything across the board, insteado f taking the time and effort to balance the game, they *** it all up.

I just find it how shockingly evident they made it. It's like they think the player base is idiots who don't see what they are doing.

Maikon

Deltia and the other streamers don't give a *** about you or this game, they'll say anything just so you keep on making them money.

And if you think those minor changes are nerfs, and warden is p2w, maybe you should go play a game that is actually p2w and see the difference.

Smasherx74

Pallio wrote: »

This is the definition of P2W, when you have to spend $$ to play a viable class.

Pay your $$ = Win, or gimp along on some other class.

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

The Warden is part of the Morrowwind expansion...

Expansion content is not pay to win....it's an expansion, are you new to MMOs?

Stop complaining....

Great argument that was repeated about 1000x in my previous thread and was the reason it was locked. I refuted this sooo many times.



Putting a class, a weapon, or any sort of advantage in an MMO behind a paywall whether it's DLC, microtransaction, or an expansion is literal P2W by definition.

It's fine to argue to what degree it's an unfair advantage which would reflect the general presumption of it being P2W, but now we know. All other classes have been nerfed for this up coming expansion. Warden has specific reliable abilities that counteract and play along with many of the nerfs, when alls said and done they nerfed everything to make warden OP.

Now that argument of whether warden is an unfair advantage or not is invalid. 100% invalid as of now. Thanks for the great post, hope to see you in cyrodil.

Smasherx74

Maikon wrote: »

Deltia and the other streamers don't give a *** about you or this game, they'll say anything just so you keep on making them money.

And if you think those minor changes are nerfs, and warden is p2w, maybe you should go play a game that is actually p2w and see the difference.

I've played Archeage, I know what P2W is. This is by definition of P2w, just as my previous post elaborated on. You can argue to what degree something is an unfair advantage which would reflect whether it's labeled as P2W or not, but that argument is no longer valid. These aren't minor changes, go read the patch notes.


Also it's ironic you say Deltia doesn't give a *** about us or this game, when he's one of the most famous ESO youtubers who has consistently made videos for 2+ years on how to play the game effectively, and given constructive input on what should be done to fix balancing issues in the game. I see this was just a bait post, but hopefully you actually listen to what I'm saying.

parkham

Those voice actors and artists aint gonna pay themselves...

Zvorgin

If you wreck current characters to eliminate skills that now only a new class can get and people have to buy that class, I don't see how P2W could be more obvious.

Smasherx74

parkham wrote: »

Those voice actors and artists aint gonna pay themselves...

Billion more ways to make money other than nerfing the entire game to suit a new incoming class that was rather lackluster.

L2Pissue

warden is designed to be pay to win best class in ESO, for the first year *only*

Shadow_Viper_vX

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

This is the definition of P2W, when you have to spend $$ to play a viable class.

Pay your $$ = Win, or gimp along on some other class.

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

The Warden is part of the Morrowwind expansion...

Expansion content is not pay to win....it's an expansion, are you new to MMOs?

Stop complaining....

Great argument that was repeated about 1000x in my previous thread and was the reason it was locked. I refuted this sooo many times.



Putting a class, a weapon, or any sort of advantage in an MMO behind a paywall whether it's DLC, microtransaction, or an expansion is literal P2W by definition.

It's fine to argue to what degree it's an unfair advantage which would reflect the general presumption of it being P2W, but now we know. All other classes have been nerfed for this up coming expansion. Warden has specific reliable abilities that counteract and play along with many of the nerfs, when alls said and done they nerfed everything to make warden OP.

Now that argument of whether warden is an unfair advantage or not is invalid. 100% invalid as of now. Thanks for the great post, hope to see you in cyrodil.

So you made a repeat thread after the first one was locked....

Believe that's against CoC

Oreyn_Bearclaw

My 2 cents (not worth much these days):

Releasing a new class behind a pay wall is not in it of itself p2w. Now if in that scenario, you release a class that has significant advantages over every other class, thus making purchasing said class a requirement to be competitive, it is most certainly p2w.

Starting to smell on awful lot like that later...

Smasherx74

Zvorgin wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

what does warden have to do with anything

pls answer before thread lock

They nerfed every other class and many aspects of the game to account for Wardens lackluster on the dev server.

Instead of fixing the balance, they chose to nerf everything and make wardens op. I warned everyone that they would ensure wardens stay one of the best if not the best class at atleast one or more roles. They've done so by nerfing everything across the board, insteado f taking the time and effort to balance the game, they *** it all up.

I just find it how shockingly evident they made it. It's like they think the player base is idiots who don't see what they are doing.

I hate to say this but they're not that far off from the truth. Considering my experience with the community when raising important concerns like this, it seems people will bend over backwards for ZOS.

I actually recieved *** death threats for apparently disrespecting a part of this game. (I'm not lying this actually happen) I remember when RNG boxes came out I said, this game will end up going P2W if they're going to put a style book behidn a paywall, ensuring those master crafters will never be master crafters unless they pay.

Recently I predicted Warden would be P2W, i spent hours arguing with people and refuting their claims. All to be dismissed and eventually locked/trolled.


ZOS can literally turn this game into Archeage and people will still accept it without any resistance, and that's a real shame.

Smasherx74

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

This is the definition of P2W, when you have to spend $$ to play a viable class.

Pay your $$ = Win, or gimp along on some other class.

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

The Warden is part of the Morrowwind expansion...

Expansion content is not pay to win....it's an expansion, are you new to MMOs?

Stop complaining....

Great argument that was repeated about 1000x in my previous thread and was the reason it was locked. I refuted this sooo many times.



Putting a class, a weapon, or any sort of advantage in an MMO behind a paywall whether it's DLC, microtransaction, or an expansion is literal P2W by definition.

It's fine to argue to what degree it's an unfair advantage which would reflect the general presumption of it being P2W, but now we know. All other classes have been nerfed for this up coming expansion. Warden has specific reliable abilities that counteract and play along with many of the nerfs, when alls said and done they nerfed everything to make warden OP.

Now that argument of whether warden is an unfair advantage or not is invalid. 100% invalid as of now. Thanks for the great post, hope to see you in cyrodil.

So you made a repeat thread after the first one was locked....

Believe that's against CoC

Previous thread was before they nerfed everything. I simply made the claim Warden is P2W just because it's a new class behind a pay wall.


Now all my suspisions and warnings have came true. I predicted RNG boxes, I predicted pay walls for items, and now I've predicted the warden would be p2w.

Nice bait btw.

Spottswoode

The introduction of a new class basically necessitates rebalancing. The fact that a whole mess of skills were altered shouldn't be a surprise.

Smasherx74

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My 2 cents (not worth much these days):

Releasing a new class behind a pay wall is not in it of itself p2w. Now if in that scenario, you release a class that has significant advantages over every other class, thus making purchasing said class a requirement to be competitive, it is most certainly p2w.

Starting to smell on awful lot like that later...

It was the former in my previous thread, but I gave good reasons why whats happening now would eventually happen. The only thing I wasn't 100% on point about was how drastic they would make Warden P2W.

however, I did predict this when it was just the former. I hope people start taking my threads a bit more seriously and don't feel inclined to be illogically argumentative because they disagree or dislike what I've said.

Shadow_Viper_vX

If you don't like it/them, don't buy it/them.

That simple

The best way a customer can communicate their displeasure if with their wallet.

The complaining threads are just getting annoying at this point

Smasherx74

Spottswoode wrote: »

The introduction of a new class basically necessitates rebalancing. The fact that a whole mess of skills were altered shouldn't be a surprise.

When they arrange the "whole mess of skills" in a way that directly affects the warden in a positive way, they're making it P2W.

for example, Warden will have reliable major mending. While everyone else was nerfed to not have reliable major mending.

Smasherx74

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

If you don't like it/them, don't buy it/them.

That simple

The best way a customer can communicate their displeasure if with their wallet.

The complaining threads are just getting annoying at this point

After putting hundreds of hours into the game, playing for 2 years and in beta. I believe I have every *** right to be a concerned costumer and report these issues to the community and the staff.

10/10 bait.