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Class Tokens; allows you to change classes. What do you think?

  • Didgerion
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    Disagree
    It really takes no time to level an alt - few days to make it VR level and few more days to clear the dungeons and do the undaunted and few more days to collect the sky shards and lore books.

    If you put this next to your VMA weapon grinding for example than it literally takes no time!

    Don't change/wipe your main - let him rest for few major releases - there will be a come -back for him I promise.

    Also it's kinda challenging to play the underperfoming class and try to make it work - it is very cool and rewarding if you succeed!
  • O_LYKOS
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    Disagree
    Put in the work and level a character.
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  • O_LYKOS
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    Disagree
    Id honestly just switch my stamblade to a magdk so i didn't have to get those stupid lore books again. PS4 no add-on life.

    No add ons but there's easily accessible maps online.
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  • neverwalk
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    No Class locks, pick and choose your skills from any Class
  • Loralai_907
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    I am undecided. But if they had them, I probably would use at least one.
    PC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+
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    Disagree
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  • NecroEnzo
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    Disagree
    I'd rather have all classes be able to use all skills, and have class as a quest/rp/lore function entirely.

    I'm 100% opposed to another overpriced, needless service being put in the game.

    I'm not sure you're aware, but the xpac will launch with two new character slots you can BUY. I'm sure those slots will be less expensive than any potential class change token.
  • Ghost-Shot
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    Disagree
    If you want a different class then level it.
  • mocap
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    Agree
    I play this game mostly like a single player game with fun mmo random encounters. Exploring, questing, that kind of things... And i just can't even imagine running again all that Cadwell's silver and gold (currently on gold stage) with all side quests&stuff. With that being said, i'd rather buy a class change token, than play all that content again.
    p.s.
    Powerleveling is dumb as hell and pointless as Oblivion's Foe set ) Just not for me.
    Edited by mocap on April 23, 2017 8:02PM
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    I would agree because now what ZOS is doing with class balance is simply unfair (Towards NB especially).

    On the other hand if this would be introduced we will only see Sorcerers and after Morrowind Wardens... 2 classes out of 5.. And let this be a picture how class balance is incredibly broken in eso :o
    Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on April 23, 2017 8:03PM
  • Kaliki
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    I just want my Templar main to be fun and not have to dread new nerfs with every new patch.
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  • ljb2k5_ESO
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    I went with other because honestly, ZOS doesn't appear to have a good handle on balance and the direction they want to go. It seems like every half big patch shakes the game to its core, and that is just not worth continuing to invest in (like building your house on a fault line). So other, because there is no point in changing classes when they will all suck equally after the next patch or two.
    Edited by ljb2k5_ESO on April 23, 2017 9:27PM
  • Axoinus
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    I've been very torn on this. So I've concluded that the ideal action to take is to allow me to change classes but not allow anyone else. I think it would be bad for the game if everyone could change class willy nilly.

    With that said, I will let ZOS move forward with giving me option for class change. I will let you know how it goes.
  • Duiwel
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    There is no i don't care option
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  • Nord_Templar
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    Agree
    Each time to create a new character, and kill the same Bosses, and collect Shards, crawling in all locations. It's humiliating and stupid. I understand that I "must" buy Scroll of the acceleration of gaining experience, in the Z-Store.

    But then it turns out that there are 2 types of players - who has a bag of money. And at whom ... a lot of time.
  • Godeko
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    Agree
    PlagueSD wrote: »
    I disagree. Part of learning how to play a new class is by leveling and getting used to the abilities. If I could change to a new class at will, we'd have a bunch of max level players that don't know how to play their class...oh wait, nevermind. :)

    Yeah, because sitting 4 hours in skyreach will grand me so much experience. haha.
    Vipstaakki wrote: »
    You are not supposed to change your class or race according to the flavor of the month.

    Reminds me on some conservative statements in politics regarding some topics - just as thoughtless.

    TBH: people against class change act like they're losing anything. But in reality there is nothing against it. We could adapt to the fcked up meta without losing our achievements. Or just try a new playstyle.

    And if I can change my virtual DNA by a race change, how shouldnt it be possible to change the class?
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  • Bringer
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    Agree
    I would normally be against this, but with the current system where CP are account instead of character based, and the fact people can level an alt up to 50 pretty much instantly, the only reason anyone would ask for this is because they have developed some sort of attachment to a specific character, and want to be able to continue playing them. I see no real problem with letting people do that instead of forcing them to make an alt. Even alliance war skill lines are easy to get to 10 in a weekend these days so thats not even an argument.

    Of course i would prefer CP to be character based instead of account based and for class changes and not be possible, because im just that hardcore :^) But if we are gonna casual it all up anyway, may as well go all the way. It would really help immersionists more than anyone in the current state.
  • Enodoc
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    Agree
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    If you want a different class then level it.
    @Ghost-Shot OP specifically states that you would have to level a new class after changing classes.
    However once you change your characters class the class skill levels reset to 1 and you must level them up again.
    As I've said many times before, this would be the only way I would accept a class change. It allows players to keep their content progress (quests etc), but experience a new class from scratch.
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  • SilverWF
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    Sure YES!
    Leveling new character is a boringest thing in this game!

    Also, a "free recpec to Warden token for all Templar-healers" (who was in the dungeons at the healer role, have healers sets, etc) at the Morrowind launch.
    Enodoc wrote: »
    experience a new class from scratch.
    What scratch you are talking about? I can made 1lvl toon, immidiately jump to the Coldharbour or even Cadwell's Gold zones and feel no difference with my faction starting zone!
    Edited by SilverWF on April 24, 2017 12:16PM
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  • Knootewoot
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    Other. We don't need classes. Just heavy/light attacks and block. Healing is done by potion you make yourself.
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  • Enslaved
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    Disagree
    No. And this is why.

    So, you spent a ton of time getting to max lvl, CP lvl and so on. You got your skyshards, crafting, mount training, alliance war ranks and similar. All your guilds are maxed, all quests are done. What you ask for is Pay 2 Win. Why? Because you would Pay real life cash to instantly be FOTM viable every month or patch? Just roll another char and enjoy leveling like the rest of us. Wallet should not give you an edge, you can't simply pay to be top dog every patch.
  • TequilaFire
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    Agree
    There was a time when I would have disagreed saying it is easy to level an alt.
    But now 3 years in with most all of the achievements and high alliance rank on my Templar main I would say it is not so easy to gain all those things back and don't have the will to do it again.

    Edited by TequilaFire on April 24, 2017 12:57PM
  • Asardes
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    Agree
    I suspect that class skills are mapped the same on each character. For example in each zone alliance zone you can find a book that increases all your class skill lines at once. It's usually found in the big book shelves in the mages guild. So a class change token will be actually easy to implement. It would be just a script that remembers the proficiency in each class line and the proficiency in each class skill & morph then copies them to the corresponding values in the new class variables optionally resetting the skill points allocated in those skill lines. You will only need about 40 variables to make it work which is quite simple from a programming standpoint.

    IE: when changing from DK to Warden:
    Ardent_Flame -> Animal Companions
    Lava_Whip -> Dive
    etc.
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    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
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  • Muttsmutt
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    Agree
    yes please i don't wanna be a nightblade anymore
    or a templar
    maybe a sorc : )
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  • SilverWF
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    Agree
    Enslaved wrote: »
    Because you would Pay real life cash to instantly be FOTM viable every month or patch?
    Loosing playerbase, because of stupid nerfs, and making YOUR gameplay worse because of lack of players is much better, yeah, genius.
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  • Driskywatcher
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    Agree
    I would love the class change coupons, i have spent way too much time collecting motif's and completing all of the quests and achievements to start a new character. Another thing i would love if class change coupons are not possible is make achievements account wide instead of character.
    Much love and peace.
  • Asardes
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    Agree
    SilverWF wrote: »
    Enslaved wrote: »
    Because you would Pay real life cash to instantly be FOTM viable every month or patch?
    Loosing playerbase, because of stupid nerfs, and making YOUR gameplay worse because of lack of players is much better, yeah, genius.

    Empty campaigns are lag free. So they finally found the final solution to this problem: simply make the game so hard players don't play as much or quit for good :D
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    Member of:
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    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver


    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
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    Characters:
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  • Merenwen_812
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    Agree
    Even if it is limited to 2 token allowed and once used can never change again.....

    But I also think motifs (especially those gotten in crown store) should be account wide and not single use on one character...
    same with research and recipes learned.....but motifs mainly.

    I votes yes because it is something I want. My main was created years ago back when friends and family played. We each had a part for a group. Then one by one they got bored and left and yet I stayed. I learned to sustain and make it so I can do most things alone. Can't do WB alone nor craglorn main bosses in the public dungeons. I would love to retrain my gal to be something other than a Templar. And not have to redo all those achievements and research times. Or rehunt all those motifs and recipes/blueprints.
  • Enodoc
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    Enslaved wrote: »
    No. And this is why.

    So, you spent a ton of time getting to max lvl, CP lvl and so on. You got your skyshards, crafting, mount training, alliance war ranks and similar. All your guilds are maxed, all quests are done. What you ask for is Pay 2 Win. Why? Because you would Pay real life cash to instantly be FOTM viable every month or patch? Just roll another char and enjoy leveling like the rest of us. Wallet should not give you an edge, you can't simply pay to be top dog every patch.
    @Enslaved How would you be instantly FOTM if all your class skills were at Level 1? You can't do too much with the Level 1 class skills, as they are purposely not very powerful. And I don't know how long it takes, but it certainly takes some time to get all three class lines up from 1 to 50.

    SilverWF wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    experience a new class from scratch.
    What scratch you are talking about? I can made 1lvl toon, immidiately jump to the Coldharbour or even Cadwell's Gold zones and feel no difference with my faction starting zone!
    @SilverWF Scratch in that you are at Level 1 in each class skill line, per the OP's suggestion.
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  • Enslaved
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    Enslaved wrote: »
    No. And this is why.

    So, you spent a ton of time getting to max lvl, CP lvl and so on. You got your skyshards, crafting, mount training, alliance war ranks and similar. All your guilds are maxed, all quests are done. What you ask for is Pay 2 Win. Why? Because you would Pay real life cash to instantly be FOTM viable every month or patch? Just roll another char and enjoy leveling like the rest of us. Wallet should not give you an edge, you can't simply pay to be top dog every patch.
    @Enslaved How would you be instantly FOTM if all your class skills were at Level 1? You can't do too much with the Level 1 class skills, as they are purposely not very powerful. And I don't know how long it takes, but it certainly takes some time to get all three class lines up from 1 to 50.

    SilverWF wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    experience a new class from scratch.
    What scratch you are talking about? I can made 1lvl toon, immidiately jump to the Coldharbour or even Cadwell's Gold zones and feel no difference with my faction starting zone!
    @SilverWF Scratch in that you are at Level 1 in each class skill line, per the OP's suggestion.

    Compared to months of grind, it is almost instant win. Yeah, you would take maybe 2 days to grind for skills, but only class ones, and that is easy as F
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