Class Tokens; allows you to change classes. What do you think?

Nerouyn

Other

TheShadowScout wrote: »

...is not going to happen.

Just cos you say it don't make it so.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I expect, if they pay their code jockeys to code a class change feature, they will want to see some return from their investment.

A feature like this is a few minor UI adjustments and a line or two of script to make some database changes.

Without ever having seen even one line of their game code, I could walk in and do it myself very quickly.

It would largely be a copy and paste of the code for race change tokens, but change 'race' to 'class', change the token icon, and change which database fields get changed. Could probably be done in under half an hour.

As for return, well I may not buy Morrowind if it doesn't have free class change to Warden.

I didn't want them to drop the warden class. I didn't want classes at all and I don't like any of the existing ones. It's not my fault either that they're now re-adding this class instead of delivering the promised spellcrafting. It's not my fault either that they have insipid time gated horse training and trait research that makes just deleting a character and starting again not even remotely an option. Not to mention things like character bound store bought motifs that some people have bought.

So I'm not going to pay extra because they delivered less. I may not pay at all.

That's their return on investment - more sales of Morrowind.

Artis

Agree

There should be no rigid classes in the TES game to begin with.

Like, can you believe it? Starting June, whenever I create a character I right away make 12 skill lines locked for me forever. So elderscrollsy

SydneyGrey

Agree

PlagueSD wrote: »

I disagree. Part of learning how to play a new class is by leveling and getting used to the abilities.

Not sure why you think people won't play and get used to the new abilities if they are able to change their class. Silly argument.

itehache

Disagree

The best way to learn how a class works is by leveling up. If you use xp potions (I think ambrosias cost around 3k now) and farm some dolmens / public dungeons / or just quest, you will have a new level 50 alt with all your cp.

SydneyGrey

Agree

Basically the argument against allowing class change is that those people don't want to change their class, so they want to impose their wills on everyone else and force everyone to play how THEY want you to. There is literally no valid argument against allowing class change.

It's like not liking beans, so you ban everyone in your city from eating them. It's no one's business if I want to eat beans.

cmetzger93

Agree

Presumably when you use a class change token all your class abilities are reset to 0 anyways and must be leveled back to 50 so that argument is pretty much invalid.

Vipstaakki

Disagree

You are not supposed to change your class or race according to the flavor of the month.

EvilCroc

Agree

I do not care of using such tokens by other players, but I would use it only once for changing my main from templar to sorcerer (not the new patch notes issue, I wanted it in a half year ago)

LadyDestiny

Other

I had other checked, but seeing these new patch notes seems I am going to have a bunch of pack mules...lol Roll a new character you say? Well sure, if I fork out more money for slots not counting the slots we have to BUY to even play the new warden class. Don't forget 180 days paying to increase your mount as well, acheivments, lore books etc....the list goes on. I have done this enough times on my account. I'm tired of eso grind online. I have played since pc beta so a lot of grinding. Like I said before, we shoud not have to pay real life money for race or class change when Zos does a major update and ruins all classes like this.

SydneyGrey

Agree

Vipstaakki wrote: »

You are not supposed to change your class or race according to the flavor of the month.

Then you'd better not ever make any new characters, then. That's changing both your race AND your class AND your skill sets. A big no-no, according to you. No warden for you! After all, that will be the "flavor of the month" in June.

soll

Disagree

Let's kill to the ground templars and make brand new and awesome warden instead! Maybe even add class change tokens?
Sounds like a legit business plan.

Majeure

Agree

With these kind of notes, yeah most definitely.

Or account-wide achievements, lorebooks, and alliance war rankings per alliance.

Maybe I don't want to start doing achievements and Eidetic Memory lorebook collections and everything else from the start, again just so I can switch my main to Warden.

Vipstaakki

Disagree

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

You are not supposed to change your class or race according to the flavor of the month.

Then you'd better not ever make any new characters, then. That's changing both your race AND your class AND your skill sets. A big no-no, according to you. No warden for you! After all, that will be the "flavor of the month" in June.

Let's not be coy here. We are talking about class change tokens not making a new character.

SydneyGrey

Agree

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Let's not be coy here. We are talking about class change tokens not making a new character.

Here's why I'm not ok with other people deciding how I should play my own game ...
They're saying that in order to play the warden, I should be forced to:

Grind for skyshards again
Spend 6 months training my mount again
Level up crafting again
Level up legerdemain again
Get lorebooks again
Do all the same quests I've already done again, including the main quest because that's the only way you can level up soul magic
Find all the wayshrines again
Get all new gear again
Open up certain cities again (like Velyn Harbor and Hallin's Stand .. cities that are overrun with mobs until you "save" the city via a quest)

There's more that I can't think of at the moment. That's not ok that you would force me to do all that again in order to play a warden. If there's a way I can play a warden without having to do all of that for the fourth time (I already have three characters), then I'm going to take it. Making new characters can be fun, but it's a grind and it gets boring doing all that stuff again and again. I'd never force someone else to play MY way.

ThatAlaskanDude

Agree

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Let's not be coy here. We are talking about class change tokens not making a new character.

Here's why I'm not ok with other people deciding how I should play my own game ...
They're saying that in order to play the warden, I should be forced to:

Grind for skyshards again
Spend 6 months training my mount again
Level up crafting again
Level up legerdemain again
Get lorebooks again
Do all the same quests I've already done again, including the main quest because that's the only way you can level up soul magic
Find all the wayshrines again
Get all new gear again
Open up certain cities again (like Velyn Harbor and Hallin's Stand .. cities that are overrun with mobs until you "save" the city via a quest)

There's more that I can't think of at the moment. That's not ok that you would force me to do all that again in order to play a warden. If there's a way I can play a warden without having to do all of that for the fourth time (I already have three characters), then I'm going to take it. Making new characters can be fun, but it's a grind and it gets boring doing all that stuff again and again. I'd never force someone else to play MY way.

Don't forget doing dungeon quest and ranking up in PvP to earn skill points.

Asardes

Agree

I would only buy the class change token to change one of the junior chars that already has the enchanter leveled and riding training completed to Warden. Those are such a boring grind. I would change nothing about the others however.

oranje_elf

Other

I would rather have majority of achievements to be account-wide (incl. mount training and probably something else, e.g., lorebooks). In that case, I can keep my current main character, and still have a Warden (leveling him to 50 I would not mind).

TheShadowScout

Other

Nerouyn wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

...is not going to happen.

Just cos you say it don't make it so.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I expect, if they pay their code jockeys to code a class change feature, they will want to see some return from their investment.

A feature like this is a few minor UI adjustments and a line or two of script to make some database changes.

Without ever having seen even one line of their game code, I could walk in and do it myself very quickly...

Sure, it'd be less of an effort then, say, ... namechange?
How "free" did that turn out to be?

Or what about "free racechange" every time they fiddle with passives?
No? Didn't get that either?

I am not just saying things, you know, I do take prior experiences into account...

Now, its entirely possible they might decide to add some "change into a warden today" option. Possibly even make a bundle deal, buy digital Morrowind expansion and get one warden change token for free and all that, or sell it as reduced cost for a limited time...

But the basic feature itself, IF they change their mind and add it, will definitely come with a hefty price tag in crowns - which on the other hand will mollify all those who hate the very thought of other people being able to change their class. If they pay 5000 crowns for it... that would limit the usage all by itself. And would be roughly what I'd expect they'd sell that sort of thing for if they ever make it...

Aquanova

Other

If ZOS offered a faction change token as well as class I'd vote yes. Otherwise NO!

notimetocare

Disagree

Nerouyn wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

...is not going to happen.

Just cos you say it don't make it so.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I expect, if they pay their code jockeys to code a class change feature, they will want to see some return from their investment.

A feature like this is a few minor UI adjustments and a line or two of script to make some database changes.

Without ever having seen even one line of their game code, I could walk in and do it myself very quickly.

It would largely be a copy and paste of the code for race change tokens, but change 'race' to 'class', change the token icon, and change which database fields get changed. Could probably be done in under half an hour.

As for return, well I may not buy Morrowind if it doesn't have free class change to Warden.

I didn't want them to drop the warden class. I didn't want classes at all and I don't like any of the existing ones. It's not my fault either that they're now re-adding this class instead of delivering the promised spellcrafting. It's not my fault either that they have insipid time gated horse training and trait research that makes just deleting a character and starting again not even remotely an option. Not to mention things like character bound store bought motifs that some people have bought.

So I'm not going to pay extra because they delivered less. I may not pay at all.

That's their return on investment - more sales of Morrowind.

No game has ever offered this, nor should they. Faster lvling? Start at 50? Maybe, but giving a new class possibly three years forth of achievement and skill xp! lol no

Class change has nothing to do with code, its a matter of balance

Vildebill

Really don't have an opinion since I don't see this as a problem at all. It takes a couple of hours to roll a new character to level 50, and some more hours grinding some skyshards, lorebooks and Fighters Guild. Much more fun to have multiple chars to jump to than only one IMO.

Runschei

Other

Personally have I never used either the race change or class change. I've only changed name three times (2 times being forced by ZOS) on the same character. This class change token is most likely something I won't be using anytime soon in the future as I've maxed all 8 slots you get with the game, and at least one of each class.

But I won't be in the way for those wishing to change something about their characters. For me you can change your class monthly, hell even daily and I won't mind.

Sun_Tzu86

Disagree

Nah, that's an bad idea. So everyone will change to the nowadays ''op'' class? Don't get me wrong, i will main the Warden too, but i would do it also if it will be the worst class to choos atm, because i like the Classfantasy and if the Warden were ingame since the launch i would already main him.

CardboardedBox

Agree

I was against this idea at one point, but I've since seen the reasoning behind this idea, and it would cause no issues.

Say someone is a max cp dragonknight. Upon switching to warden, all of their dk skill points are refunded, and they're given the warden skills all set to lvl 1, which still requires them to lvl up the warden skills even though their character is fully max leveled already. So now you get to keep your old characters progress, story, mount training, crafting levels and research, motifs, skyshards, and titles, while playing as a warden.

Bam, leveling issues solved. There are almost no cons, but many pros with class change.

Tommy_The_Gun

Other

ZO$ will nerf all classes except for warden to the point here they are unplayable.
Offer A class change token for the same price as Morrowind Expansion / chapter.
After 3 months ZO$ will nerf warden & buff other classes.

klowdy1

Disagree

FotM hopping is fun.

Naerri

PlagueSD wrote: »

Part of learning how to play a new class is by leveling and getting used to the abilities.

By leveling you mean dolmen/Skyreach grind? Oh please, wake up and get real man....

notimetocare

Disagree

CardboardedBox wrote: »

I was against this idea at one point, but I've since seen the reasoning behind this idea, and it would cause no issues.

Say someone is a max cp dragonknight. Upon switching to warden, all of their dk skill points are refunded, and they're given the warden skills all set to lvl 1, which still requires them to lvl up the warden skills even though their character is fully max leveled already. So now you get to keep your old characters progress, story, mount training, crafting levels and research, motifs, skyshards, and titles, while playing as a warden.

Bam, leveling issues solved. There are almost no cons, but many pros with class change.

... lol. Thats the core problem with class change, all the stuff with none of the work on that character

Messy1

Agree

Kodrac wrote: »

Why? So all the people on the forums today crying about their class being nerfed can just buy a new flavor of the month?

I have 11 characters, I would like to have a Warden without going through the process of leveling one up. I will if I have to.

To date I have the following: Argonian DK, Dunmer Sorc, Argonian NB, Imperial Sorc, Altmer Templar, Khajiit NB, Bosmer NB, Dunmer DK, Bosmer Templar, Nord DK, Altmer DK

WHY would I want a 12th character? Obviously to add a Warden to the mix, I'd rather PAY for a class respec than waste my time leveling a warden.

notimetocare

Disagree

Messy1 wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Why? So all the people on the forums today crying about their class being nerfed can just buy a new flavor of the month?

I have 11 characters, I would like to have a Warden without going through the process of leveling one up. I will if I have to.

To date I have the following: Argonian DK, Dunmer Sorc, Argonian NB, Imperial Sorc, Altmer Templar, Khajiit NB, Bosmer NB, Dunmer DK, Bosmer Templar, Nord DK, Altmer DK

WHY would I want a 12th character? Obviously to add a Warden to the mix, I'd rather PAY for a class respec than waste my time leveling a warden.

Why not add trial gear for cash too?

Lvl one or dont play one, easy