@ZOS - I know you aren't super busy or anything right now - WILL SHARPENED EVER BE FIXED?

Erock25

I could back this post up with "FACTS" or "MATH" or "KNOWLEDGE" but everyone knows that sharpened trait on weapons is just the absolute best bang for your buck, regardless of content. It's to a point where you're better off using a non-set sharpened weapon for DPS compared to incorporating a non-sharpened set weapon. So we've established that you must have sharpened trait on your weapons, right? Now let's go about farming our sharpened weapons and holy *** on a shingle I've been farming sharpened Seventh Legion dagger for many many hours now and not only do I not have a sharpened dagger, I don't have ANY sharpened ANYTHING. I'm literally looking at 20+ hours and possibly many many more than that of farming world bosses over and over or farming bosses in the group delve place. It's so mind numbingly boring to do this content and I have to do it for way too long because ZOS decided that only 1 of 12 weapon traits would be worthwhile. So balance sharpened you game developers you because it's too powerful and you've forced me to farm my life away instead of enjoying the game.

Fodore

When did we get 12 weapon traits?

Qbiken

It doesn´t need a fix because nothing is broken....ffs some people

Majeure

World bosses? Public dungeons? Sounds like a zone drop, so it's BoE.

Go buy it from a guild store, if you don't want to farm for it. At least you have that option.

Now which guild store do I go for that sharpened moondancer...

usmcjdking

It's not broken.

It's strength needs to be toned down though. Mob max resists can remain at their numerical number, but the percentages should be changed to make 18.5k (or whatever max NP armor is) 30% mit instead of 50%.

alexkdd99

Before sharpened it was nirnhoned. After they nerf sharpened, whatever they buff will be the next thing you must farm. Farming for bis is a part of most mmos I have played.

Erock25

Fodore wrote: »

When did we get 12 weapon traits?

Please see first sentence of my post.

Qbiken wrote: »

It doesn´t need a fix because nothing is broken....ffs some people

Sharpened or nothing is a bad design and it should be balanced with other traits.

Majeure wrote: »

World bosses? Public dungeons? Sounds like a zone drop, so it's BoE.

Go buy it from a guild store, if you don't want to farm for it. At least you have that option.

Now which guild store do I go for that sharpened moondancer...

I'm trying to feed my horses man. Can't be spending my portions at the guilds store.

Erock25

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Before sharpened it was nirnhoned. After they nerf sharpened, whatever they buff will be the next thing you must farm. Farming for bis is a part of most mmos I have played.

True but I think the drop rates here are terrible and/or the content is too easy. It's mind numbing and boring to farm this stuff. Everything in this post is obviously an IMO thing, but I just don't want to log in or play at all anymore rather than plow through pushover enemies for hours on end for no reward. I need a challenge or rewards (preferably both) and I am getting neither right now.

starkerealm

Erock25 wrote: »

I could back this post up with "FACTS" or "MATH" or "KNOWLEDGE" but everyone knows that sharpened trait on weapons is just the absolute best bang for your buck, regardless of content. It's to a point where you're better off using a non-set sharpened weapon for DPS compared to incorporating a non-sharpened set weapon. So we've established that you must have sharpened trait on your weapons, right? Now let's go about farming our sharpened weapons and holy *** on a shingle I've been farming sharpened Seventh Legion dagger for many many hours now and not only do I not have a sharpened dagger, I don't have ANY sharpened ANYTHING. I'm literally looking at 20+ hours and possibly many many more than that of farming world bosses over and over or farming bosses in the group delve place. It's so mind numbingly boring to do this content and I have to do it for way too long because ZOS decided that only 1 of 12 weapon traits would be worthwhile. So balance sharpened you game developers you because it's too powerful and you've forced me to farm my life away instead of enjoying the game.

You on PC/NA? Because I could gleefully torment you with a horrifically overpriced seventh legion dagger.

starkerealm

Fodore wrote: »

When did we get 12 weapon traits?

I think he's talking about Sharpened only dropping about 8.3% of the time. Not sure if that's the actual drop rate, though.

Erock25

starkerealm wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I could back this post up with "FACTS" or "MATH" or "KNOWLEDGE" but everyone knows that sharpened trait on weapons is just the absolute best bang for your buck, regardless of content. It's to a point where you're better off using a non-set sharpened weapon for DPS compared to incorporating a non-sharpened set weapon. So we've established that you must have sharpened trait on your weapons, right? Now let's go about farming our sharpened weapons and holy *** on a shingle I've been farming sharpened Seventh Legion dagger for many many hours now and not only do I not have a sharpened dagger, I don't have ANY sharpened ANYTHING. I'm literally looking at 20+ hours and possibly many many more than that of farming world bosses over and over or farming bosses in the group delve place. It's so mind numbingly boring to do this content and I have to do it for way too long because ZOS decided that only 1 of 12 weapon traits would be worthwhile. So balance sharpened you game developers you because it's too powerful and you've forced me to farm my life away instead of enjoying the game.

You on PC/NA? Because I could gleefully torment you with a horrifically overpriced seventh legion dagger.

Yup PC-NA here. I don't even think I want to know the price after checking around at guildstores and seeing other sharpened weapons.

Cyn_v84

Got my Sharpened Spriggan Bow on my first world boss.
Two swords however, much more difficult. Got my 20+ hours farming in as well.
So I agree, nothing needs to be fixed, coz it ain't broken.

leepalmer95

They nerf sharpened, something else becomes BiS, everyone uses that.

Won't achieve anything for dps there will always be 1 thats best in slot.

technohic

penetration in general seems to be popular. If you're not penetrating, you're just grinding.

Erock25

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Got my Sharpened Spriggan Bow on my first world boss.
Two swords however, much more difficult. Got my 20+ hours farming in as well.
So I agree, nothing needs to be fixed, coz it ain't broken.

Why are you okay with 20+ hours of farming and no swords (why swords????) yet? The weapon drop rate is abysmal.

Erock25

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They nerf sharpened, something else becomes BiS, everyone uses that.

Won't achieve anything for dps there will always be 1 thats best in slot.

I want to live in a world where Nirnhoned, Precise, and Sharpened are equal. Sharpened just a tiny bit more DPS. Nirn and Precise just behind because they improve self heals as well. Currently Sharpened is way out of whack and needs to be brought in line OR OR OR they need to increase weapon drop rate.

FlyLionel

Its not broken OKAY? Just buff the other traits to be good, not thee best but still viable. Add crit damage per precise weapon and add bonus damage to ultimates with decisive along with making a flat value of ult gen always coming (not the typical you gain ult and you have a chance). I am talking about a legit ult regeneration. It feels bad the first time around trashing VMA weapons..

redspecter23

You think farming a bind on equip item is bad? LOL! Try farming a bind on pickup item that you can't get in any other way. You at least have the option of going out and buying your dagger. If you want a dungeon or trial drop, strap on your grinding boots and be prepared for hundreds of runs, each one no closer to your goal than the last. Why you would think a Seventh Legion dagger is even in the same ballpark regarding grind is laughable.

Erock25

redspecter23 wrote: »

You think farming a bind on equip item is bad? LOL! Try farming a bind on pickup item that you can't get in any other way. You at least have the option of going out and buying your dagger. If you want a dungeon or trial drop, strap on your grinding boots and be prepared for hundreds of runs, each one no closer to your goal than the last. Why you would think a Seventh Legion dagger is even in the same ballpark regarding grind is laughable.

Do you feel better now that you've laughed at me? I don't dabble in trials but I've preferred farming group dungeons drops over this terrible overland weapon drop. At least in dungeons I can solo them and actually have fun and interesting gameplay. This overland boss farming is just stare at a wall boring.

Wouldn't you be happy if Precise and Nirnhoned became viable and therefore your trial weapon farming would results in more chances at the desired traits?

KingJ

@Wrobel If sharpened is only situational why isn't the drop rate for sharpened weapon not the same as other traits.Anyone who farmed for gear know they aren't the same.If he nerfs sharpened to make another trait better I'm not farming for anything and staying what I have I'm not going back into VMA.

redspecter23

Erock25 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

You think farming a bind on equip item is bad? LOL! Try farming a bind on pickup item that you can't get in any other way. You at least have the option of going out and buying your dagger. If you want a dungeon or trial drop, strap on your grinding boots and be prepared for hundreds of runs, each one no closer to your goal than the last. Why you would think a Seventh Legion dagger is even in the same ballpark regarding grind is laughable.

Do you feel better now that you've laughed at me? I don't dabble in trials but I've preferred farming group dungeons drops over this terrible overland weapon drop. At least in dungeons I can solo them and actually have fun and interesting gameplay. This overland boss farming is just stare at a wall boring.

Wouldn't you be happy if Precise and Nirnhoned became viable and therefore your trial weapon farming would results in more chances at the desired traits?

That did come off a bit harsh so apologies for that. I'm totally on your side here. Whoever balanced the traits the last time around needs to go back to grade 1 and learn some math. Either they have no clue whatsoever or they purposely overtuned sharpened and neither of those options gives me any faith in the design process.

For the issue you specifically describe, you could farm anything else in the game and use funds earned from that to buy your dagger. That's very open ended and provides options to achieve your goal. While the trait issue is not ideal, the grind is open ended for that item. For bind on pickup items you have no choices. You grind one dungeon over and over and over, going absolutely insane in the process, never gaining any ground or getting any closer.

Jitterbug

Broken
Needs fix
Overpowered
Balanced
Tweaked

All just words amounting to the same thing, and that thing is described beautifully in the OP: Grinding for a specific drop is so mindnumbingly boring I would rather crash my bicycle hard than go through it again. No need to describe it, you've all been there...

Some of the grinds are "voluntary" and fun, but when there's nowhere else to go but sharpened it forces you to hover over a boss spawn possibly quite literally forever.

I personally gave up on my BiS and settled for a lesser set. My game has been so much better since. I recommend it to everyone. Just give up until the traits are brought in line and settle for less. Fight the meta!

This needs to be about buffing the other damage traits. Much more crit and crit damage, much more ultimate generation, etc.
Bring the others in line with sharpened and make it about choice. Make the game fun again.

OutLaw_Nynx

Just buff nirnhoned and precise.

starkerealm

Erock25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I could back this post up with "FACTS" or "MATH" or "KNOWLEDGE" but everyone knows that sharpened trait on weapons is just the absolute best bang for your buck, regardless of content. It's to a point where you're better off using a non-set sharpened weapon for DPS compared to incorporating a non-sharpened set weapon. So we've established that you must have sharpened trait on your weapons, right? Now let's go about farming our sharpened weapons and holy *** on a shingle I've been farming sharpened Seventh Legion dagger for many many hours now and not only do I not have a sharpened dagger, I don't have ANY sharpened ANYTHING. I'm literally looking at 20+ hours and possibly many many more than that of farming world bosses over and over or farming bosses in the group delve place. It's so mind numbingly boring to do this content and I have to do it for way too long because ZOS decided that only 1 of 12 weapon traits would be worthwhile. So balance sharpened you game developers you because it's too powerful and you've forced me to farm my life away instead of enjoying the game.

You on PC/NA? Because I could gleefully torment you with a horrifically overpriced seventh legion dagger.

Yup PC-NA here. I don't even think I want to know the price after checking around at guildstores and seeing other sharpened weapons.

Well, I just listed it.

TequilaFire

Sharpened is just fine, it's some of the other traits that need fixed.

bowmanz607

really sharpened better on shields??? in a game where half of pvp at least has a shield of some sort, the case can definitely be made for other traits because of that, for pvp at least. PLus, what if i already have major breach, mace, and spriggans? Already tearing through a bunch of armor. So adding sharpened to that may get you little to no return depending on your target.

bowmanz607

that said, I would like to see an increase in other traits worth. Some just have absolutely no use.

Apherius

Erock25 wrote: »

I could back this post up with "FACTS" or "MATH" or "KNOWLEDGE" but everyone knows that sharpened trait on weapons is just the absolute best bang for your buck, regardless of content. It's to a point where you're better off using a non-set sharpened weapon for DPS compared to incorporating a non-sharpened set weapon. So we've established that you must have sharpened trait on your weapons, right? Now let's go about farming our sharpened weapons and holy *** on a shingle I've been farming sharpened Seventh Legion dagger for many many hours now and not only do I not have a sharpened dagger, I don't have ANY sharpened ANYTHING. I'm literally looking at 20+ hours and possibly many many more than that of farming world bosses over and over or farming bosses in the group delve place. It's so mind numbingly boring to do this content and I have to do it for way too long because ZOS decided that only 1 of 12 weapon traits would be worthwhile. So balance sharpened you game developers you because it's too powerful and you've forced me to farm my life away instead of enjoying the game.

Sharpened is not " Op " it's just other trait who sucks . but they can nerf sharpned if they want ... this doesn't matter , everybody will play the 2th best trait = precise .

Akimbro

Erock25 wrote: »

I could back this post up with "FACTS" or "MATH" or "KNOWLEDGE" but everyone knows that sharpened trait on weapons is just the absolute best bang for your buck, regardless of content. It's to a point where you're better off using a non-set sharpened weapon for DPS compared to incorporating a non-sharpened set weapon. So we've established that you must have sharpened trait on your weapons, right? Now let's go about farming our sharpened weapons and holy *** on a shingle I've been farming sharpened Seventh Legion dagger for many many hours now and not only do I not have a sharpened dagger, I don't have ANY sharpened ANYTHING. I'm literally looking at 20+ hours and possibly many many more than that of farming world bosses over and over or farming bosses in the group delve place. It's so mind numbingly boring to do this content and I have to do it for way too long because ZOS decided that only 1 of 12 weapon traits would be worthwhile. So balance sharpened you game developers you because it's too powerful and you've forced me to farm my life away instead of enjoying the game.

It's not broken. It's just best for damage dealers. The same way other traits are best for other roles. If sharpened was the best trait for tanks, healers, AND damage dealers, then yes it would be broken. No matter what, there's always going to a bis...

Minno

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Just buff nirnhoned and precise.

If running light armor and someone has elemental drain debuff, you don't need sharp. At that point percise is arguably better (assuming you didn't craft your weapons, then nirn is better).

O_LYKOS

I dam well hope they're busy fixing the stability of the game

However on topic, I'm just disappointed how it's pretty much a must to have sharpened. I finally got a Infallible flame staff I need for my 4 piece on my sorc. But it's garage because my random sharpened staff it simply better for my build. Complete Poop. 4 piece bonus on these trials weapons and gear should out way the bonus of having a random sharpened staff.