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Deluded Streamers are self obsessed and overrated - Genius Addon developers are underrated
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Yes exactly! and do you notice how it is beneath them to do anything which is not 1vX... My point being - 'who cares'.1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »No add-ons on consoles. Nothing to ruin the game for us aside from ZOS. I mean the double mundus exploits, the HIst Bark exploit among others were only possible due to certain add-ons. Also, why would anyone need an add-on to tell them when their ultimate is ready or when they need to dodge? Add-ons just dumb down the game aside from the ones that just offer quality of life features that should have already been in the game. Whereas theory crafting and maths actually allow you to perform better without having to rely on add ons that tell you everything.
You gotta try PC - and if you try addons you will not want to go back!
But isn't someone else doing 'theorycrafting' then dumbing down for us then?0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I get your sentiment, in that I dislike the hero-worship of "celebs" as much as the next person, but collectively streamers streaming eso exposes the game to curious people who might not otherwise be exposed to it, but also motivates those who already own the game to play. I am more likely to play after watching someone stream. Streamers generate "hype" for the game. There is an eso "community" and streams can be seen as out-of-game hubs for the community. It's also not easy to stream regularly and consistently, so those who manage to should be given credit for it; they are giving up their time to promote the game. There is a financial incentive but it has to be worked for, it's not an easy source of revenue. The makers of the addons, and even the makers of the game should be given credit too, eso is an incredible product.
Not sure how much exposure the game is actually getting these days. There are so few ESO streamers on Twitch and it comes down to the communities of a few extremely toxic, high profile players. What happens is people from those communities will go into the channel of someone who doesn't have the profile and that is just playing the game for fun and start hounding them for their choices such playing PvE or their gear setup not being "meta"
I'm unaware of the politics of the streaming community, don't usually pay much attention to chat. But I do watch Jules and fengrush, and sypher occasionally if he happens to be streaming eso. I enjoy their streams and, like I said, they motivate me to play much of the time. I'm not suggesting it's good that I'm in a position where I need the motivation of streamers to play, but if they didn't stream I probably wouldn't still be playing, who knows. They seem like good guys and I can't imagine any of them endorsing the behaviour you describe, that seems like more of an issue with the wider eso community as a whole, or maybe more the twitch community, many of whom will just be kids or still have the mentality of kids. It's a shame that it happens but I don't think the main eso streamers are necessarily to blame.PC | EU2 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Yes exactly! and do you notice how it is beneath them to do anything which is not 1vX... My point being - 'who cares'.
Obviously you, since you keep talking about them.
"Hey guys! Hey guys! Do you see these guys! Aren't they pathetic! See how little I care about them, I couldn't care less, I haven't even seen all their videos!"PC/EU DC5 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Those montages are exactly to show how good their setup is... they literally do build videos and then do 1vX vids after it to show its effectiveness...PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I get your sentiment, in that I dislike the hero-worship of "celebs" as much as the next person, but collectively streamers streaming eso exposes the game to curious people who might not otherwise be exposed to it, but also motivates those who already own the game to play. I am more likely to play after watching someone stream. Streamers generate "hype" for the game. There is an eso "community" and streams can be seen as out-of-game hubs for the community. It's also not easy to stream regularly and consistently, so those who manage to should be given credit for it; they are giving up their time to promote the game. There is a financial incentive but it has to be worked for, it's not an easy source of revenue. The makers of the addons, and even the makers of the game should be given credit too, eso is an incredible product.
Not sure how much exposure the game is actually getting these days. There are so few ESO streamers on Twitch and it comes down to the communities of a few extremely toxic, high profile players. What happens is people from those communities will go into the channel of someone who doesn't have the profile and that is just playing the game for fun and start hounding them for their choices such playing PvE or their gear setup not being "meta"
I'm unaware of the politics of the streaming community, don't usually pay much attention to chat. But I do watch Jules and fengrush, and sypher occasionally if he happens to be streaming eso. I enjoy their streams and, like I said, they motivate me to play much of the time. I'm not suggesting it's good that I'm in a position where I need the motivation of streamers to play, but if they didn't stream I probably wouldn't still be playing, who knows. They seem like good guys and I can't imagine any of them endorsing the behaviour you describe, that seems like more of an issue with the wider eso community as a whole, or maybe more the twitch community, many of whom will just be kids or still have the mentality of kids. It's a shame that it happens but I don't think the main eso streamers are necessarily to blame.
It's not they endorse the behaviour, it's that they do nothing to condone it. It's not the whole community for them but it's those ultra-vocal minorities that give the entire community a black eye. Someone from one those streams went into another streamer's channel when they were doing their first ever run of vMA, doing it how they wanted to and testing the setup they had. The streamer had to deal with a rude jackass telling them what skills and gear they should be using even after the streamer said they wanted to try it their way first.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I get your sentiment, in that I dislike the hero-worship of "celebs" as much as the next person, but collectively streamers streaming eso exposes the game to curious people who might not otherwise be exposed to it, but also motivates those who already own the game to play. I am more likely to play after watching someone stream. Streamers generate "hype" for the game. There is an eso "community" and streams can be seen as out-of-game hubs for the community. It's also not easy to stream regularly and consistently, so those who manage to should be given credit for it; they are giving up their time to promote the game. There is a financial incentive but it has to be worked for, it's not an easy source of revenue. The makers of the addons, and even the makers of the game should be given credit too, eso is an incredible product.
Not sure how much exposure the game is actually getting these days. There are so few ESO streamers on Twitch and it comes down to the communities of a few extremely toxic, high profile players. What happens is people from those communities will go into the channel of someone who doesn't have the profile and that is just playing the game for fun and start hounding them for their choices such playing PvE or their gear setup not being "meta"
I'm unaware of the politics of the streaming community, don't usually pay much attention to chat. But I do watch Jules and fengrush, and sypher occasionally if he happens to be streaming eso. I enjoy their streams and, like I said, they motivate me to play much of the time. I'm not suggesting it's good that I'm in a position where I need the motivation of streamers to play, but if they didn't stream I probably wouldn't still be playing, who knows. They seem like good guys and I can't imagine any of them endorsing the behaviour you describe, that seems like more of an issue with the wider eso community as a whole, or maybe more the twitch community, many of whom will just be kids or still have the mentality of kids. It's a shame that it happens but I don't think the main eso streamers are necessarily to blame.
Sometimes 'nice' people can still be self obsessed... and the obsession with '1vX' is an elitist way to say look - im better and smarter than everyone else.. can these people really motivate you?
In real life - if you meet self obsessed people who keep hinting they are better than everyone else, believe me you will steer clear of them.. many celebrities are completely self obsessed - just look at some articles about the bizarre demands they make of hotels etc when travelling... basically little brats. why should they be put on a pedestal..
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »If you're not a fan of other people making content like that over the internet... you can always just not watch it?
Also what's an add-on
I dont watch in general - but sometimes videos are added to threads as part of a discussion and then suddenly some 'cipher' or other person is trying to do a lecture on 'where the game should go' or 'balance' as if they are one of the developers.. and then end the video with a little attention seeking pvp snippet.. as i said - couldnt care less what they think.. and i wish zos would ignore them too
Most long time streamer have played the game since beta and have a lot of knowledge about the game, so they share their views.
If you don't like it don't watch, its better than making a random thread that server no purpose on the forum.
Attention seeking much?
posting a thread and doing a 2 hour video is a bit different - 'much' ?
I'm suggesting that I much rather value what addon developers (PC) and guild masters do...
2 hour video? Exaggerate much?
not much - but ok thats an exxageration - it certainly felt like 2 hours lol.. i checked their youtube...
get this - there is a section '1vX - ESO PvP Montages!' - give me a break.. get over yourselves pleez
People create content so what? Im confused what your angry about here? You say you don't like them but then proceed to look at all the videos on youtube. You watch and then complain?
Why not just not watch instead of being unnecessary spiteful and jealous? Is that what it is? Your angry your not as good and can't do the things they do? Or do you get 1vX's by streamers or something a lot.
Where is this anger coming from?
Coming from the fact that he likes that add-ons dumb the game down for him and that he wants to have more add-ons to have an easy mode game where no thinking or reactions are required, instead of actually theorycrafting and showcasing playstyles. Not all streamers are PvPers (and those who are are pretty good at it). The ones who PvE are generally top of the leaderboards, so in both cases, people can learn a lot from watching streams. Or they could get an add-on that tells them when they are about to get ganked, or when there's a Crystal Frag coming their way, or when the Warrior does the Shield Throw, or when there's a color change on the Twins.Edited by Izaki on April 17, 2017 12:12PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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#MoreDPSthanYou
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✭✭I don't use other builds either, and I don't always agree with what the streamers say. But I like to have a community around me and to have someone to compare to. It's nice to see others opinion and how they play.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Those montages are exactly to show how good their setup is... they literally do build videos and then do 1vX vids after it to show its effectiveness...
they do it to 'show how good they are'...1 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StackonClown wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Those montages are exactly to show how good their setup is... they literally do build videos and then do 1vX vids after it to show its effectiveness...
they do it to 'show how good they are'...
And you're jealous that you aren't as good? Well I think we've found the problem here.@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »I don't use other builds either, and I don't always agree with what the streamers say. But I like to have a community around me and to have someone to compare to. It's nice to see others opinion and how they play.
in general - this is of course fine too... I'm more talking about the self obsessed behaviour of streamers..1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Those montages are exactly to show how good their setup is... they literally do build videos and then do 1vX vids after it to show its effectiveness...
they do it to 'show how good they are'...
And you're jealous that you aren't as good? Well I think we've found the problem here.
lol - read my first post!.. i couldn't care less!.. im sure im not as good. are you and do you care ?Edited by StackonClown on April 17, 2017 12:15PM1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭please stop searching for a problem or 'why the anger or why jelly ' etc.. just take my statements as they are and either agree or disagree - simple!2
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »If you're not a fan of other people making content like that over the internet... you can always just not watch it?
Also what's an add-on
I dont watch in general - but sometimes videos are added to threads as part of a discussion and then suddenly some 'cipher' or other person is trying to do a lecture on 'where the game should go' or 'balance' as if they are one of the developers.. and then end the video with a little attention seeking pvp snippet.. as i said - couldnt care less what they think.. and i wish zos would ignore them too
Most long time streamer have played the game since beta and have a lot of knowledge about the game, so they share their views.
If you don't like it don't watch, its better than making a random thread that server no purpose on the forum.
Attention seeking much?
posting a thread and doing a 2 hour video is a bit different - 'much' ?
I'm suggesting that I much rather value what addon developers (PC) and guild masters do...
2 hour video? Exaggerate much?
not much - but ok thats an exxageration - it certainly felt like 2 hours lol.. i checked their youtube...
get this - there is a section '1vX - ESO PvP Montages!' - give me a break.. get over yourselves pleez
People create content so what? Im confused what your angry about here? You say you don't like them but then proceed to look at all the videos on youtube. You watch and then complain?
Why not just not watch instead of being unnecessary spiteful and jealous? Is that what it is? Your angry your not as good and can't do the things they do? Or do you get 1vX's by streamers or something a lot.
Where is this anger coming from?
Coming from the fact that he likes that add-ons dumb the game down for him and that he wants to have more add-ons to have an easy mode game where no thinking or reactions are required, instead of actually theorycrafting and showcasing playstyles. Not all streamers are PvPers (and those who are are pretty good at it). The ones who PvE are generally top of the leaderboards, so in both cases, people can learn a lot from watching streams. Or they could get an add-on that tells them when they are about to get ganked, or when there's a Crystal Frag coming their way, or when the Warrior does the Shield Throw, or when there's a color change on the Twins.
So now you are talking in the 3rd person? You do realise that most of these streamers use addons too, right?
I dont use miats in pvp - lol
Im mainly talking about addons that give more information at a glance or just plain save time, not dumb down.
Zeni allows add ons - why dont you argue with them if you have a problem with them ??0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »and i wish zos would ignore them too
Wait, what does this mean? Like AzraelKrieg said some people have been around since PC beta landed, aren't their opinions worth taking a look at?
err who is that - another streamer? why should they have prominence over everyone else?
I'm not a streamer. My internet connection doesn't allow that xD
thank goodness !! so what do you do then?
I play the game and hang out with the more chill, fun ESO streamers and former streamers. People that aren't interested in being the best but just want to play the game. I also lead a guild in game.
wow you sound normal! you mean you dont talk about 1vX experience or 1vX montage as if anything else is beneath you ?
I hate 1vX'ers. Those montages aren't to show off how good their setup is, it's so the person who made it can stroke their e-peen.
Those montages are exactly to show how good their setup is... they literally do build videos and then do 1vX vids after it to show its effectiveness...
Why even call it 1vX?
- just call it 'new build video in pvp'... but nooo .. it is 'yes my friends, i really am that good.. 1v15 this time, just sit back and watch...'
Yet to me the geniuses are the ones who developed some amazing PC addons.. they dont stream attention seeking 'montages' , they just help out by fixing any issues we find...Edited by StackonClown on April 17, 2017 12:32PM0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StackonClown wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »If you're not a fan of other people making content like that over the internet... you can always just not watch it?
Also what's an add-on
I dont watch in general - but sometimes videos are added to threads as part of a discussion and then suddenly some 'cipher' or other person is trying to do a lecture on 'where the game should go' or 'balance' as if they are one of the developers.. and then end the video with a little attention seeking pvp snippet.. as i said - couldnt care less what they think.. and i wish zos would ignore them too
Most long time streamer have played the game since beta and have a lot of knowledge about the game, so they share their views.
If you don't like it don't watch, its better than making a random thread that server no purpose on the forum.
Attention seeking much?
posting a thread and doing a 2 hour video is a bit different - 'much' ?
I'm suggesting that I much rather value what addon developers (PC) and guild masters do...
2 hour video? Exaggerate much?
not much - but ok thats an exxageration - it certainly felt like 2 hours lol.. i checked their youtube...
get this - there is a section '1vX - ESO PvP Montages!' - give me a break.. get over yourselves pleez
People create content so what? Im confused what your angry about here? You say you don't like them but then proceed to look at all the videos on youtube. You watch and then complain?
Why not just not watch instead of being unnecessary spiteful and jealous? Is that what it is? Your angry your not as good and can't do the things they do? Or do you get 1vX's by streamers or something a lot.
Where is this anger coming from?
Coming from the fact that he likes that add-ons dumb the game down for him and that he wants to have more add-ons to have an easy mode game where no thinking or reactions are required, instead of actually theorycrafting and showcasing playstyles. Not all streamers are PvPers (and those who are are pretty good at it). The ones who PvE are generally top of the leaderboards, so in both cases, people can learn a lot from watching streams. Or they could get an add-on that tells them when they are about to get ganked, or when there's a Crystal Frag coming their way, or when the Warrior does the Shield Throw, or when there's a color change on the Twins.
So now you are talking in the 3rd person? You do realise that most of these streamers use addons too, right?
I dont use miats in pvp - lol
Im mainly talking about addons that give more information at a glance or just plain save time, not dumb down.
Zeni allows add ons - why dont you argue with them if you have a problem with them ??
I don't have a problem with add-ons. I have a problem with people relying on add-ons to play their game for them. Most of the truly useful add-ons are things that should have been in the base game UI anyway.@ Izaki #PCEU
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭What if someone is a content creator AND a guildmaster?
such as who?
Then hopefully they are not self obsessed when doing content
And as guild master are they constantly trying to impress their guildies about 'how good they are' - yes they will have some 'fan's' but most people will leave after getting sick of the boasting0 -
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✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
So. What does that have to do with anything? They like doing social things with an MMO. How very odd....1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »If you're not a fan of other people making content like that over the internet... you can always just not watch it?
Also what's an add-on
I dont watch in general - but sometimes videos are added to threads as part of a discussion and then suddenly some 'cipher' or other person is trying to do a lecture on 'where the game should go' or 'balance' as if they are one of the developers.. and then end the video with a little attention seeking pvp snippet.. as i said - couldnt care less what they think.. and i wish zos would ignore them too
Most long time streamer have played the game since beta and have a lot of knowledge about the game, so they share their views.
If you don't like it don't watch, its better than making a random thread that server no purpose on the forum.
Attention seeking much?
posting a thread and doing a 2 hour video is a bit different - 'much' ?
I'm suggesting that I much rather value what addon developers (PC) and guild masters do...
2 hour video? Exaggerate much?
not much - but ok thats an exxageration - it certainly felt like 2 hours lol.. i checked their youtube...
get this - there is a section '1vX - ESO PvP Montages!' - give me a break.. get over yourselves pleez
People create content so what? Im confused what your angry about here? You say you don't like them but then proceed to look at all the videos on youtube. You watch and then complain?
Why not just not watch instead of being unnecessary spiteful and jealous? Is that what it is? Your angry your not as good and can't do the things they do? Or do you get 1vX's by streamers or something a lot.
Where is this anger coming from?
Coming from the fact that he likes that add-ons dumb the game down for him and that he wants to have more add-ons to have an easy mode game where no thinking or reactions are required, instead of actually theorycrafting and showcasing playstyles. Not all streamers are PvPers (and those who are are pretty good at it). The ones who PvE are generally top of the leaderboards, so in both cases, people can learn a lot from watching streams. Or they could get an add-on that tells them when they are about to get ganked, or when there's a Crystal Frag coming their way, or when the Warrior does the Shield Throw, or when there's a color change on the Twins.
So now you are talking in the 3rd person? You do realise that most of these streamers use addons too, right?
I dont use miats in pvp - lol
Im mainly talking about addons that give more information at a glance or just plain save time, not dumb down.
Zeni allows add ons - why dont you argue with them if you have a problem with them ??
I don't have a problem with add-ons. I have a problem with people relying on add-ons to play their game for them. Most of the truly useful add-ons are things that should have been in the base game UI anyway.
I agree! but that is Zeni's short-coming and thankfully some people developed the addons!0 -
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✭✭✭✭What if someone is a content creator AND a guildmaster?
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »
So. What does that have to do with anything? They like doing social things with an MMO. How very odd....
Let me relieve you of your odd feeling of oddness...
Well what does your response have to do with anything then?.. They can like it.. you can like it.. and I can call it self obsessed 'bragging'.1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Well its nice to see you people know each other.. and hopefully you also see that thinly veiled boasting by some streamers who then get elevated to some disproportionate level of prominence by Zenny is unheathly.
I mean when I heard one of these wannabees talk about '1vX experience' after finishing laughing I felt like, where do these people get this arrogance?
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✭✭StackonClown wrote: »What if someone is a content creator AND a guildmaster?
such as who?
Then hopefully they are not self obsessed when doing content
And as guild master are they constantly trying to impress their guildies about 'how good they are' - yes they will have some 'fan's' but most people will leave after getting sick of the boasting
Well for one, Alcast is a theorycrafter and the guild leader (pretty sure he's the guild leader) of Hodor. He's got god knows how much information on his website and his videos for any type of content. Woeler is a guild master and a content creator in more ways than just 1, I'm pretty sure he's involved in many different ESO projets like UESP and stuff. Both of these guys are very often on the top of the leaderboards and their respective teams haven't changed in a very long time, suggesting that no one has quit. @MissBizz is also a content creator. These are just off the top of my head.
You're making so many false assumptions mate, some people might take that as offense.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭StackonClown wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »
Well its nice to see you people know each other.. and hopefully you also see that thinly veiled boasting by some streamers who then get elevated to some disproportionate level of prominence by Zenny is unheathly.
I mean when I heard one of these wannabees talk about '1vX experience' after finishing laughing I felt like, where do these people get this arrogance?
You're a hater. Plain and simple. A hater that uses "wannabe" and "deluded" in non-applicable situations.
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✭For me personally, I enjoy doing guides the most, since there's nothing better than when you're actually helping people solve a problem and make their lives easier. It's the most satisfying types of videos to do for me. PVP videos of any kind should only be done for entertainment purposes and entertainment purposes alone. If there's trash talking or any type of 'exposed' nonsense, I'll probably never watch anything from that creator again.
As for streamers, there are good ones, there are bad ones, go watch the good ones if you enjoy what you do, and avoid the bad ones in a wide circle.
Also, OP, I think you should relax and chill a bit more, it's a video game. 0 -
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It is also a good source to find out what gear and skills everyone else is using for each class so I can copy them without having to do costly experimentation. You can also benefit from some brilliant ideas and then see them in action. I think these guys are heroes to the game and deserve a LOT of respect.0 -
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✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »
So. What does that have to do with anything? They like doing social things with an MMO. How very odd....
Let me relieve you of your odd feeling of oddness...
Well what does your response have to do with anything then?.. They can like it.. you can like it.. and I can call it self obsessed 'bragging'.
You do realise that this morose verbal attack on others completely overshadows any accolades that may have been given to other creators? You are coming across as far more self indulgent and ill tempered than those you are claiming not to care about.1
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