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RNG and arena weapons, a very unique solution but not a tipical token system
ChuckyPayne
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RNG: not many people like this, but we got used to it already (every game, every mmo use it)
Maelstrom arena, Dragonstar Arena: How many times must do it to get the weapon you desire? Lot.
Here is the idea.
The arena weapons would be the best and the most powerful weapons.
Out of combat you can change the properties
- You can change enchantment
6 different / weapon: Every active skill and the elite skill have an arena enchanment
- You can change the trait
All 9 trait
- Almost free
Cost is only one grand sould gem (filled)
This is very powerful idea, but the properties must be unlock and here the balance:
For unlock need token.
Every time you do the Maelstrom arena, you got 1 Maelstrom arena token
Every time you do the Dragonstar arena, you got 1 Dragonstar arena token
The unlock system is account bound!
How many times must do it to get the weapon you desire?
The answer is only four times.
You need unlock
1) the weapon
2) the trait
3) the enchantment
Finally need one more token to create the unlocked weapon. You can create the weapon if you onlocked at least one trait and one enchantment.
Both token can unlock the weapon, but dragonstar arena token unlock the trait only and maelstrom arena unlock the enchantment only.
if four times enough to collect the weapons you would like, then why would anyone continue further.
- You can change the properties for a soul gem is a very big power and motivation to collect more than one (trait and/or the enchantment)
For example, restoration staff: Sometimes you would like to use grand healing enchantment sometimes the blesssing of protection. Or you would like touse precision sometimes powered trait.
- This is a progression, especially the perfectionist gamers
a) There are 13 different weapon (7 blacksmithing, 6 woodworking)
b) There are 9 different trait
c) There are 6 different skill
a + b + c = 13 + 13*9 + 13*6 = 208 round
Here is the hidden rng 
13 * 9 = 117 Dragonstar arena round
13 * 6 = 78 Maelstrom arena round
13 round is up to you
End chest, and weekly reward
- End chest will not give any more weapons, only 1 token.
- Weekly reward will not give any more weapons, only 2 tokens.
Why better this than the current solution?
- More less it is necessary to repeat for the first useful weapon.
- They may receive a mood, who did not start it.
- One more weapon need one more round if it has already unlocked.
- The dragonstar arena now is not so popular.
Edited by ChuckyPayne on March 18, 2017 4:22PM Maelstrom arena, Dragonstar Arena: How many times must do it to get the weapon you desire? Lot.
Here is the idea.
The arena weapons would be the best and the most powerful weapons.
Out of combat you can change the properties
- You can change enchantment
6 different / weapon: Every active skill and the elite skill have an arena enchanment
- You can change the trait
All 9 trait
- Almost free
Cost is only one grand sould gem (filled)
This is very powerful idea, but the properties must be unlock and here the balance:
For unlock need token.
Every time you do the Maelstrom arena, you got 1 Maelstrom arena token
Every time you do the Dragonstar arena, you got 1 Dragonstar arena token
The unlock system is account bound!
How many times must do it to get the weapon you desire?
The answer is only four times.
You need unlock
1) the weapon
2) the trait
3) the enchantment
Finally need one more token to create the unlocked weapon. You can create the weapon if you onlocked at least one trait and one enchantment.
Both token can unlock the weapon, but dragonstar arena token unlock the trait only and maelstrom arena unlock the enchantment only.
if four times enough to collect the weapons you would like, then why would anyone continue further.
- You can change the properties for a soul gem is a very big power and motivation to collect more than one (trait and/or the enchantment)
For example, restoration staff: Sometimes you would like to use grand healing enchantment sometimes the blesssing of protection. Or you would like touse precision sometimes powered trait.
- This is a progression, especially the perfectionist gamers
a) There are 13 different weapon (7 blacksmithing, 6 woodworking)
b) There are 9 different trait
c) There are 6 different skill
a + b + c = 13 + 13*9 + 13*6 = 208 round
Here is the hidden rng 13 * 9 = 117 Dragonstar arena round
13 * 6 = 78 Maelstrom arena round
13 round is up to you
End chest, and weekly reward
- End chest will not give any more weapons, only 1 token.
- Weekly reward will not give any more weapons, only 2 tokens.
Why better this than the current solution?
- More less it is necessary to repeat for the first useful weapon.
- They may receive a mood, who did not start it.
- One more weapon need one more round if it has already unlocked.
- The dragonstar arena now is not so popular.
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭Anyone who has done this 1000 plus times is going to shoot it down.
I personally prefer that you get rewarded for specific achievements.
Balance between people who want reason to replay content vs those who only want to do it a hand full or occasionally.0 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.0 -
ChuckyPayne✭✭✭✭Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.
3 maelstrom arena +1 dragonstar arena. At least 1 dragonstar arena need.
bis gear. BIS gear is after it not only 1 trait 1 enchantment. 1 weapon but more than one set piece (1 weapon for pvp, for dungeon, for trial) you need only change trait/enchantment (skill buff) if you unlocked it.
Main bar, of bar weapon, weapon for alts.
This four times is not four times in fact.0 -
ChuckyPayne✭✭✭✭Anyone who has done this 1000 plus times is going to shoot it down.
I personally prefer that you get rewarded for specific achievements.
Balance between people who want reason to replay content vs those who only want to do it a hand full or occasionally.
Retroactive?
Stormproof title = a few token.
Flawless Conqueror = 50 token?
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Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.
It is sad but true. Only in eso you replay contemt because it sucks rather than rewards you for replaying.0 -
Running✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.
It is sad but true. Only in eso you replay contemt because it sucks rather than rewards you for replaying.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Firror recently said they're looking at the RNG of certain items and considering solutions including a possible token system. He didn't mention every area being looked at but the undaunted shoulders was used as an example.
I expect there is a strong chance that vMA will be part of any changes but that's a guess
lol seriously doubt devs consider OPs ideas since our if the two arebas so far each has the respective weapons affect a different skill. I expect Zos plans to keep with this idea with future arenas.
The trait change aspect has been mentioned plenty of times already.Edited by idk on March 27, 2017 6:45PM0 -
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Pretty much the same in all MMO, then you have done some content 20 times its boring.Ep1kMalware wrote: »Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.
It is sad but true. Only in eso you replay contemt because it sucks rather than rewards you for replaying.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't mind a grindy token system like master writs for example IF I'm garanteed to pick the stuff I want.
I have alot of alt characters and I'm sure most of the people who run VMSA must have like 2 or more alts.
It would be neat to gear them all up through a long grind instead of doing this same grind but praying for a weapon just for your main character.PC/DC/NAserver
V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk1 -
Running✭✭luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »I don't mind a grindy token system like master writs for example IF I'm garanteed to pick the stuff I want.
I have alot of alt characters and I'm sure most of the people who run VMSA must have like 2 or more alts.
It would be neat to gear them all up through a long grind instead of doing this same grind but praying for a weapon just for your main character.
I have 8 alts, 6 run = 1 sharpened light, 1 precise fire staff
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Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭I appreciate the OP thinking outside the box and coming up with a reasonable solution to the rng grind. I really hope this is something they address sooner than later.0
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Buy trait recraft stone with 100 writ vouchers.
Recraft trait.
Done.
Easiest solution to every RNG-gear-sucks problem in this game.Edited by code65536 on March 28, 2017 1:47PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭Buy trait recraft stone with 100 writ vouchers.
Recraft trait.
Done.
Easiest solution to every RNG-gear-sucks problem in this game.
Those writs would skyrocket in value, but this is solving RNG with RNG since getting writ vouchers is random, therefore, I think that is exactly what they'll do!
Better to be able to turn in say 10 undaunted keys to get a trait change stone. Not RNG based and you still have to do the content.Edited by Zvorgin on March 28, 2017 1:54PM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.
Well I am going on Dragonstar arena because it's fun content well created and giving pleasure of doing it despite fact most of the weapons there are useless.1 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do vma 4 times, get best loot, never go there again
no one will play the content if it was that simple to get bis gear... it's what keeps people playing the game... sad but true. The best that will happen is something like 100 tokens traded in to get a weapon of choice.
Sure, there are people who only do the content for gear.
But also a lot of people who do it for fun. Or to compete. Or to just get a better personal score or reach a new personal benchmark.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Buy trait recraft stone with 100 writ vouchers.
Recraft trait.
Done.
Easiest solution to every RNG-gear-sucks problem in this game.
Those writs would skyrocket in value, but this is solving RNG with RNG since getting writ vouchers is random, therefore, I think that is exactly what they'll do!
Better to be able to turn in say 10 undaunted keys to get a trait change stone. Not RNG based and you still have to do the content.
Considering writ clinchers can be purchased the RNG on them is passed to another.
Further, if the refrain stone wssnnit bound they could be sold via guild traders.0
