PC control question - How can you play so fast?

parkham

I watched some Deltia videos regarding builds and walkthroughs. How do you all map your keys? Is it just muscle memory? I can't currently cycle through the buttons and bars as fast as I see on videos. Advice?

I read about get "high DPS". I have some addon that uses the command /cmx to show battle stats such as dps. I average about 8k dps on any given fight. One time I saw 28k but there were a lot of weak enemies. I deduce that I'm not "good" or fast enough yet.

Is it just a matter of being able to play fast? I know about animation cancelling etc.. but just the cycling through stuff AND being on the move at the same time .. is difficult.

Thanks

Nestor

WASD has been the control standard since gaming came out, so that is pretty well tatoo'd on our cortex.

The number keys are easy to as we typically map our keys to types of attacks, not necessarily skills. In other words, and this is an example

1. Opener/Buff
2. DoT
3. Spam Damage
4. Spam Damage
5. Shield/Recovery

So, we just pick skills that fit the category so that in the fight, we just know to go 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5 as needed. Obviously the rotation is down to personal preference and build and gear etc. But we get the skill selection and more importantly the sequence out of the way before we fight, then we just use the keys in order or in a pattern.

parkham

Thank you for the response. What you mention is what I do.

I just can't do it AND always be on the move at the same time and be seamless about it. Obviously I'm missing something.

Turelus

parkham wrote: »

Thank you for the response. What you mention is what I do.

I just can't do it AND always be on the move at the same time and be seamless about it. Obviously I'm missing something.

Repetition, repetition, repetition.

Same as learning guitar cords, just gotta practice a bunch slow and eventually you'll get lightning fast.

parkham

Sometimes I feel like a dummy when I get all confused between bar swaps. I have often enough just stood there for almost a second until my fingers "reset" haha. Thanks for the reply.

ManwithBeard9

Razer Naga

parkham

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Razer Naga

Checking it, thanks.

Nestor

Now, I am not the most skilled player out there. It's why I don't PvP, I am the guy that pads the other players stats while I resurrect in place.

Ring finger for movement, index and middle fingers for skills. Honestly gaming got better for me when I learned to be a better touch typist. Use something like Mavis Beacon teaches typing. Until you can type out sentences without looking at your keyboard, its going to be harder to pull it all together in a game. Lucky thing, you only have about 10 keys to worry about.

Your right in that it is muscle memory. And, I could not move and attack at first. But I started by simply strafing left or right or running backwards and firing off skills. From there I learned to circle and fire off skills. So i did not try to do everything at once. I started with simple things. Once you get that down, then dodge rolling and firing off skills.

The Practice Dummies are good for learning this, or, Mammoths or Ice Atronachs are good for kiting and attacking.

zaria

I use an naga MMO mouse with 12 buttons for the thumb, find that it helps a lot in ESO as I can move and keep the rotation.
12 is overkill but the buttons in the back is to hard to reach anyway.

gestep

parkham wrote: »

Sometimes I feel like a dummy when I get all confused between bar swaps. I have often enough just stood there for almost a second until my fingers "reset" haha. Thanks for the reply.

I do this sometimes..

Turelus

parkham wrote: »

Sometimes I feel like a dummy when I get all confused between bar swaps. I have often enough just stood there for almost a second until my fingers "reset" haha. Thanks for the reply.

Everyone does at the start, it's even more fun when the meta changes and you mix up you bar.

Every now and then I will be a PvE boss fight and spamming Sap Essence instead of Swallow Soul and then switch back fast hoping no one noticed.

FluffyReachWitch

I dunno about Deltia's gaming, but for me it's muscle memory and practice. It also helps to be used to your build. I tend to stumble for a bit after switching moves up.

driosketch

One part thumb muscle memory, one part Corsair Vengeance M95 mouse. The arc of buttons along the side top are 1-6, with 6 being my ult. The rest is practice.

Kaymorolis

I use a razer naga for my mouse/skills and a logitech g13 gamepad for everything else.

parkham

I'll keep hammering away at it! I can only assume that DPS will go up a lot as a result.

If I feel froggy, I might spring for one of those Razers or Logitechs too. Practicing on the dummies is a good idea too.

greylox

Everyone's got their own set ups but you should be able to instinctively press a button without looking down for it etc. Muscle memory.

Horowonnoe

I use a basic gray mouse and a basic white keyboard. It's possible : 3

Meryyl

After many years on consoles, I finally left my PS4 1.5 years ago. NEVER thought I would get used to kbm. A few months ago, I picked up Padstarr to emulate the controls to my DS4. I spent several days mapping for efficiency and (much to my surprise!) found kbm much more intuitive. I guess the motor mapping took place without my even noticing.

Like everyone else says - practice, practice, practice.

Turelus

Horowonnoe wrote: »

I use a basic gray mouse and a basic white keyboard. It's possible : 3

You need more RGB in your life. There is a whole rainbow of glowing lights out there for you friend!

Rohamad_Ali

Horowonnoe wrote: »

I use a basic gray mouse and a basic white keyboard. It's possible : 3

Same here and I can move and animation cancel just as fast . Practice is all it takes .

AcadianPaladin

I struggle with speed and 'panic pauses' as well. Part of it is my very old fingers are not as fast as they used to be. I use kb & mouse and have remapped most things. I do get some help in that I only play one game at a time (years) before moving to another; part of that is maintain familiarity with controlling my character. I also only play one main char (other is a crafter).

Anyway, I have a couple extra buttons on my mouse and use the mouse for attack, block, bash, jump, synergy use, stow weapon, switch weapon, quickslot.

The main remapping on my kb is, while I still use S/D for left/right, I use my thumb on the Space bar/B for forward/backwards movement. I also map abilities 1-5 to QWERT. Then F (get), X (sneak) and a few other changes. Just a matter of playing around to find what works best.

I also try to arrange my skills so that ones I commonly cast sequentially are assigned to lined up next to each other.

I still sometimes panic and wish for the pause button!

Avran_Sylt

I love my mouse, it has two buttons near the thumb. I map skill 1 to button 1, skill 2 to button 2, skill 3 to scroll wheel click, skill 4 to scroll wheel up, and skill 5 to scroll wheel down. Everything is in a small area and needs very minimal hand movement. While this does require camera zoom rebinding, I don't mind.

parkham

Thanks for comments. I've been typing quite well (60+ WPM) for 30 years, literally. I think my problem is more of a "coordination" issue. Speed, speed! The whole walk then run thing.
I can * do * what I see others doing. I just can't * do * it seamlessly. Practice practice!

@AcadianPaladin which mouse do you use that has the extra buttons? Ones that have already been mentioned?

@Horowonnoe I know, I know.. it's the answer I needed to hear but didn't want to hear, ha!

Merlin13KAGL

Don't be afraid to change your keybinds to what is intuitive to you. Trying to keep common keys within reach helps (the less your hand has to move, the faster it will be and less chance of fat-fingering the keyboard or shifting.)

One underrated thing is don't be afraid to unmap your keybinds, as well. Nothing more glorious than being knee deep in battle and having your inventory UI block out the sun, and the "character sheet synergy" is always awesome.

Combine these things and you can double map most actions. You have two hands, make use of them. For instance, bar swap via middle mouse button and/or Numeric Keypad "Enter" key are easy and natural to find - allowing you to have full ASWD movement still available. CAPS LOCK for 'command pet' is a lot easier to find than 'Y.'

I've been out of the mix on more than one occasion for accidentally declining a rez I changed both buttons to Accept, and moved decline elsewhere.

When you get a setup you like, you can use the Addon Binder to copy the layout to all your characters.

Last thing, all keyboards/mice are not created equal. Doesn't mean you have to have a $200 BlackWidow, but you want one that has the tactile feel and response that feels right to you. Even keyspacing can vary a little from one to another.

Good luck, and keep practicing!

FleetwoodSmack

parkham wrote: »

Thanks for comments. I've been typing quite well (60+ WPM) for 30 years, literally. I think my problem is more of a "coordination" issue. Speed, speed! The whole walk then run thing.
I can * do * what I see others doing. I just can't * do * it seamlessly. Practice practice!

@AcadianPaladin .which mouse do you use that has the extra buttons? Ones that have already been mentioned?

@Horowonnoe I know, I know.. it's the answer I needed to hear but didn't want to hear, ha!

There's actually a few various mice you can use. If you can't afford a Naga, UtechSmart (Venus) has a mouse that's pretty good for it's price. I've been using it and so far I haven't been disappointed.

Damianos

parkham wrote: »

which mouse do you use that has the extra buttons? Ones that have already been mentioned?/quote]




Once you have a Naga there is no turning back.

NinJake

I have a Logitech G502, which has a "back" and "forward" button near the thumb.

I keep keybinds 1, 2, and 3 normal. Usually 1 is something very utility based, that only needs to be cast every now and then, like magelight or some sort of buff. 2 is AoE attacks, 3 is main AoE/DoT(self-heal on back bar).

From there I rebind 4 and 5 to my back and forward buttons respectively, and use those the most often. These are normally single target attacks.

As others have stated, try to find what works best for you. I personally like splitting the use of mouse + kb instead of a mouse like the Naga where there are just so many buttons xD

Horowonnoe

Turelus wrote: »

Horowonnoe wrote: »

I use a basic gray mouse and a basic white keyboard. It's possible : 3

You need more RGB in your life. There is a whole rainbow of glowing lights out there for you friend!

I will definitely check if they have basic mouses in other colors too. Perhaps with lights, yes.

AcadianPaladin

My mouse is a Corsair but I think I would look for something else if I had it to do again. Like most mice, it has left & right click, roller press, roll forward or back. Then this one has two thumb buttons on the side. One is real easy to reach the other not quite as much. If I was looking again, I would look for one with 12 buttons on the side. I could never navigate them all but, hopefully, maybe as many as three or four might suit my thumb in a fight.

Like someone else mentioned, I also map a couple not often used things to the area of the number keypad and, with a glance, can tap them with my right thumb. Too clunky for combat but can be helpful for things like maybe sneak or mount/dismount.

I'm glad to hear there are others who remap. And others who sometimes fumblefinger things up when things get hectic.

Syrani

I use a Razer Tartarus in my left hand, and a Razer Ouroborus in my right. It's been a great set up for me, and allows for quick response since everything is literally at my finger tips. The best part is that I use the joystick on the Tartarus to move, so I don't have to stop attacking while moving. It's been great.

https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-tartarus-chroma

https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-ouroboros

Churga_Hral

Nestor wrote: »

Ring finger for movement, index and middle fingers for skills.

Thanks for the tip!