New Rank system?

zuto40

Ranks currently mean nothing, they are useless and provide 0 indication of skill, what if there was a new system based on your k/d or overall kills? its still cheeseable but not as bad as it is right now

Derra

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

NightbladeMechanics

Derra wrote: »

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

A rank made as a function of k/d against group size wouldn't be.

Minno

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

A rank made as a function of k/d against group size wouldn't be.

And even if it wasn't, it's still better than AP which can be earned by just sitting there.

Derra

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

A rank made as a function of k/d against group size wouldn't be.

Zergsurfing aaaall the way?

You´d have to figure in k/d in relation to groupsize and average AP gain (aswell as AP malus on target).

Apokalypt

Ranks never meant anything beyond: "This guy/girl has the time to spent farming in Cyrodiil. And I think they will never change it. As long as it is AvAvA, not even K/D says something.
The only way to provide any skill related indication would be to include 1v1 Arena pvp.

ArgonianAustin

A cool ranking system would be where its based on how long you have played in PvP like a timer that starts when you enter cyrodiil

asneakybanana

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

A rank made as a function of k/d against group size wouldn't be.

It would be rip healers and tanks and only be worth while for DPS players.

redspecter23

If you're looking for a rank based on skill, you might get something useful from battlegrounds ranking coming soon. You can't zerg your way to a high rank there and if they go so far as to award more points for wins against high ranked players and fewer points for wins against low ranked players, it could be a good measure of skill. I don't think we'll get anything quite so complex but still probably better than any Cyrodiil rank which is based more on how much time you put in rather than your actual combat skill.

Solariken

I like the idea in theory, but I doubt there are any true skill-based ranking functions that would work in ESO. There are just too many variables, too many flavors of cheese that dilute skill, and worst of all too many exploiters and cheaters. I just don't think any other ranking system could be any more accurate than the current alliance ranks, I'm sad to say.

Father_X_Zombie

A K/D system would be biased to gankers and radiant spammers

AhPook_Is_Here

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

A rank made as a function of k/d against group size wouldn't be.

So the highest skilled player would be the one to prox bomb the most afk noobs stacked at resource caps? What could make more sense in this game.

EDIT

I don't think this is really necessary anyway, people know who is good and bad from playing a while and fighting them. There isn't a metric for "good", you know it when you fight it by active counters, reactions and their choices. Another system to game is pointless.

RadioheadSh0t

zuto40 wrote: »

Ranks currently mean nothing, they are useless and provide 0 indication of skill, what if there was a new system based on your k/d or overall kills? its still cheeseable but not as bad as it is right now

Hate to break it to you, but rank has never been a measure of skill long before increased ticks and double AP.

NightbladeMechanics

asneakybanana wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think k/d is probably even worse than time invested.

A rank made as a function of k/d against group size wouldn't be.

It would be rip healers and tanks and only be worth while for DPS players.

Not if non-killing blows count toward k/d. Assists or kill contributions.

Zerg surfing would be an issue, though.

Strider_Roshin

If there was a k/d system, more people would gank just to preserve it. Leave the rank system be. Your reputation is more telling than your symbol. If you're a good fighter, people will know.

zuto40

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

Ranks currently mean nothing, they are useless and provide 0 indication of skill, what if there was a new system based on your k/d or overall kills? its still cheeseable but not as bad as it is right now

Hate to break it to you, but rank has never been a measure of skill long before increased ticks and double AP.

i was not aware i stated they indicated skill at some point in that quote

Turelus

Good PvP players don't need anything to let others know how good they are, they're known by name for what they can do.

silky_soft

The only thing GO ever meant was you were on house arrest and played enough to need a box of mechanical keys to replace your BOL key.

You don't get a cool armour like emp, no special glow, no pets or mounts, no vanity items at all. Just some extra skill points. ZO$ doesn't care about cyro anymore anyway. Putting out these *** zerg no cp double AP events. It's all about BG and Morrowind box sales.

A simple stats page would be nice. Some vanity items, priority queing, account wide ranks, load screen immunity. Things like that.

RadioheadSh0t

zuto40 wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

Ranks currently mean nothing, they are useless and provide 0 indication of skill, what if there was a new system based on your k/d or overall kills? its still cheeseable but not as bad as it is right now

Hate to break it to you, but rank has never been a measure of skill long before increased ticks and double AP.

i was not aware i stated they indicated skill at some point in that quote

You used the terms "currently" and "right now," in a way that clearly implies that the recent changes are the reason ranks are worthless.

They're not "currently" worthless "right now," they've always been worthless. It's a measure of time and not skill. On that I'm sure we can agree.

SneaK

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

NightbladeMechanics

SneaK wrote: »

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

"Breaker of Chains" for lots of dolmens?

Jaybe_Mawfaka

SneaK wrote: »

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

I would run bleakers hero or grand afk overlord

Xsorus

There was a kill tracker of sort in DAOC, basically realm rank in that game was like alliance rank, you basically got it via time played or just by killing lots of people. But their kill tracker counted how many people you killed and how many solo kills you got. Solo kills means no one damaged or healed either person during the fight. Get 2000 of them and you got the title lone enforcer.

zyk

I find stats effect gameplay in a negative way as they change the way people play. Also, I think it's nice playing a game in which almost nobody rages about kill stealing.

Irylia

My last hope for this game was competitive/ranked bg's... Maybe next year

Stamicka

With dueling being a feature I don't think you can have a system that properly displays skill level. My alliance rank was 16 when dueling came out and now I rarely go to cyrodil, but I've had hours on hours of practice from dueling. So my personal skill and experience keeps going up, but my alliance rank will remain the same. I know a lot of good players that are duelists that have relatively low alliance ranks for the amount of skill that they have.

SneaK

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

"Breaker of Chains" for lots of dolmens?

I mean, they already have that title.. and I'm serious, titles for defending, healing, ganking, tanking, capping, etc.

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

I would run bleakers hero or grand afk overlord

The first one could actually be a thing, X amount of kills in X vicinity. I'd be the Bane of Bruma.

AshTal

ranks are just nice because they are one of the few decent titles you can get.

zuto40

SneaK wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

"Breaker of Chains" for lots of dolmens?

I mean, they already have that title.. and I'm serious, titles for defending, healing, ganking, tanking, capping, etc.

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Just create specific titles that actually mean you've done cool stuff in Cyro. I've posted about this many times.

I would run bleakers hero or grand afk overlord

The first one could actually be a thing, X amount of kills in X vicinity. I'd be the Bane of Bruma.

5000 kills as emp: The Iron Fist of Cyrodiil