dungeons are not fun anymore

Nahtal

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Marabornwingrion

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina

Shards?

SanderBuraas

Your thread not only lacks proper structure, but a point. No conclusion or suggestions as to how players should behave?

RoyalPink06

Astrid_V wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina

Shards?

Ya, not sure why you wouldn't be using shards or repentance.

Agree tho that dungeon finder groups are usually horrible for various reasons. That's just the way it is, unfortunately.

SaRuZ

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

max_only

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

Everstorm

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Royaji

Nahtal wrote: »

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

Let me explain the reasoning behind this. Normal (and most of the vet 1) dungeones are very easy for good tanks. I can do most of them in medium, spamming vigor and dropping balls everywhere. I do not run out of stamina or have any issues with health.

The issue is high-end tanks do not spec into damage. They do not have DPS at all. So a run with two low DPS turns into a sluggish nightmare. Sometimes I just don't have time to spend 5-10 minutes on every boss. I can't do much to make this run faster (since this will mean remaking the whole build) so I just leave.

And remember, staring at the boss's balls get's old really quickly.

Tan9oSuccka

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Exactly.

I've noticed a huge uptick in Sorcerer "Healers". One healing skill slotted (usually Mutagen). Doesn't cut it, queue as DPS and don't waste people's time.

No tank worth anything wants that garbage.

Koensol

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Indeed. Shows how tunnel visioned people have become by the meta. Pathetic really.

Furthermore I find it funny to note that often enough, the people that leave end up wasting more time than they would have done if they had pushed on with their former group.
Example:
I joined group finder to farm nICP for the leeching set, and I got a group with a lvl 15 healer and lvl 12 dps. Other dps was around cp200. To be honest, I had my doubts. But we ended up no deathing the dungeon within a decent amount of time.

Later on I had a group with cp300+ healer and two cp300+ dps. The healer was okay, but the two dps (one of who was a bow/bow snipe spammer) were terrible. We had the biggest trouble even clearing trash packs. Bosses took ages, they were running around in the poisonous water (gravelight sentry) and kept attacking boss in the invulnerable phase where you have to throw poison bombs to kill adds (Ibomez the Flesh Sculpter). I.e. complete fools. They didn't even bother to respond to or read my instructions.

Level and CP doesn't mean *** in most situations. But I will keep laughing when people leave the group, especially if they are dps, knowing they will waste their time even more.

Cherryblossom

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

@Nahtal

Welcome to a Multi Player game, where not everyone wants to play like you.

If a healer is a templar and able to support with Shards, it's a good thing for the whole group.
If they are not a templar, are able to add a debuff of any kind, it helps.

Sometimes people have had to cope with those incapable of completing a dungeon, it's their choice to only waste 15 minutes waiting to be able to queue again, rather than an hour of failure.

People are disrespectful, it's the nature of people.

WTS is not a Scam if you get them to send COD. You can't be scammed.

Everstorm

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Exactly.

I've noticed a huge uptick in Sorcerer "Healers". One healing skill slotted (usually Mutagen). Doesn't cut it, queue as DPS and don't waste people's time.

No tank worth anything wants that garbage.

Seems to me that there is an issue with the viability of other classes as healers. If this skill is so vital to running a group dungeon then maybe it shouldn't be class specific.

Why is the sustain of the group the responsibility of the healer anyway?

AtAfternoon

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Look at his signature.

Everstorm

AtAfternoon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Look at his signature.

Sorry, don't see a signature when viewing on my phone.

greylox

Nothing wrong with other classes actually healing, the main part of the job, it's the lack of support. This is only a problem if people are meta builds like a DPS focusing on pure damage without thinking about sustain. Almost all vet dungeons don't need this insane damage and would actually go a lot smoother of people sustained themselves instead of winging, dying and moaning some more.

I'll always remember the CP 1000+ that wouldn't shut up about the healer slotting ele drain, even though we no death speed ran vwgt in the end. As I left group he was still moaning about how we could have done it quicker.....Lol yawn.

koralr33fer

You guys got to realize some players are new to the game or even RPG's as a whole. Its hard for them to learn how to play everytime a group of people abandon them because they do not meet your "pro" expectations. Be courteous, instead of just bailing and then waiting 15 minutes to requeue. Possibly spend a couple minutes, sharing your "pro" knowledge of the game, explaining what this person is doing wrong or how they could improve their performance if they are willing to listen.

To the guy complaining about spending 5-10 minutes on a boss. If your that short on time...dont queue. Not everyone is looking for 10 minute dungeon runs. Some people like to explore the area or loot goods out of crates and baskets and such. It takes away from the role playing aspect of the game and just turns it into a repetative grind. If you are in such a rush and expecting such good performance then do a guild run.

But back to OP. Healers having the ability to give stamina is a nice perk, but shouldnt be a requirement of a healer. Some healers have abilities to share magicka instead. I'm sorry this doesnt fit your character build but it isnt a reason to rudely dismiss them.

Bottom line a little respect goes a long way in MMORPGs. We are a community and we should act as such.

Nahtal

koralr33fer wrote: »

You guys got to realize some players are new to the game or even RPG's as a whole. Its hard for them to learn how to play everytime a group of people abandon them because they do not meet your "pro" expectations. Be courteous, instead of just bailing and then waiting 15 minutes to requeue. Possibly spend a couple minutes, sharing your "pro" knowledge of the game, explaining what this person is doing wrong or how they could improve their performance if they are willing to listen.

To the guy complaining about spending 5-10 minutes on a boss. If your that short on time...dont queue. Not everyone is looking for 10 minute dungeon runs. Some people like to explore the area or loot goods out of crates and baskets and such. It takes away from the role playing aspect of the game and just turns it into a repetative grind. If you are in such a rush and expecting such good performance then do a guild run.

But back to OP. Healers having the ability to give stamina is a nice perk, but shouldnt be a requirement of a healer. Some healers have abilities to share magicka instead. I'm sorry this doesnt fit your character build but it isnt a reason to rudely dismiss them.

Bottom line a little respect goes a long way in MMORPGs. We are a community and we should act as such.

Glad someone sees my point. And after this things i have added the shards ability. In some reactions above that's the community in-game right now (vote-kick) instead of explain things, some advice is to much to ask from this 'pro,s'

do know lot of the game but not everything and there are some improvements to make. Willing to listen.

Tan9oSuccka

Everstorm wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Exactly.

I've noticed a huge uptick in Sorcerer "Healers". One healing skill slotted (usually Mutagen). Doesn't cut it, queue as DPS and don't waste people's time.

No tank worth anything wants that garbage.

Seems to me that there is an issue with the viability of other classes as healers. If this skill is so vital to running a group dungeon then maybe it shouldn't be class specific.

Why is the sustain of the group the responsibility of the healer anyway?

Tank and healer are essentially support roles. I'd much rather use my Standard or something else rather than War Horn. But I alter my play style for GROUP content. I make sure even trash doesn't touch the 14K health healer and DPS guys. I keep a GROUP igneous damage shield up as much as possible.

To sustain long periods of time, especially when damage guys suck takes quite a lot of stamina. You don't regenerate Stamina when blocking. That's why Templar shards and rep are preferred over Sorcerer Mutagen spam.

The best VET healers I have ever run with use SPC, spit orbs and shards like crazy. Weave repentance in at all times.

jakeedmundson

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

^^^^ people that don't know how to play are the ones that ruin group finder.

You should not need shards in any dungeon... even on vet. If they toss them to you, great... use them. If not, deal with it. pop a potion and learn to sustain yourself.

Nahtal

It seems reactions here and the way of talking (seems to me the same as in-game) Arrogant, and most dis-respectful. Me as part of this community do not like this way, and maybe got to change you behaving and attitude against players that not knows everything. For existing players as for new players.

kylewwefan

Stick to normals and you'll be fine. There are good people I play with all the time that I won't do Vet runs with. Especially a vet hard mode 2 key run. Have you tried carrying a less than 400 CP player through vet CoA2? It usually doesn't go well.

This game is messed up. My level 10 toon in training gear is way tougher than a max level BiS through a normal dungeon. We get punished by leveling up it makes your toon weaker.

Tan9oSuccka

Nahtal wrote: »

It seems reactions here and the way of talking (seems to me the same as in-game) Arrogant, and most dis-respectful. Me as part of this community do not like this way, and maybe got to change you behaving and attitude against players that not knows everything. For existing players as for new players.

This is a prime example of why I preferred VR levels. You get to know your character and their skills, mechanics inside and out before you hit VR16.

Now, people hit level 50 (In about 2 days time) and jump into Vet dungeons without any passives in most skill lines. Expect to roll through content on Vet runs.

Nahtal

kylewwefan wrote: »

Stick to normals and you'll be fine. There are good people I play with all the time that I won't do Vet runs with. Especially a vet hard mode 2 key run. Have you tried carrying a less than 400 CP player through vet CoA2? It usually doesn't go well.

This game is messed up. My level 10 toon in training gear is way tougher than a max level BiS through a normal dungeon. We get punished by leveling up it makes your toon weaker.

Well some i do in vet because the 2 keys only IC prison and WGT and Cradle of shadows are hard for me as healer (but still try this) ppl run this dungeons as a delve, and they aspect i'm do the same thing, and if they dies they give the blame simple to a healer or to a tank. On normal its for me easier (a lot)

ZOS_JohanaB

We've moved this thread to the Dungeons, Trials & Arenas

Nahtal

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

It seems reactions here and the way of talking (seems to me the same as in-game) Arrogant, and most dis-respectful. Me as part of this community do not like this way, and maybe got to change you behaving and attitude against players that not knows everything. For existing players as for new players.

This is a prime example of why I preferred VR levels. You get to know your character and their skills, mechanics inside and out before you hit VR16.

Now, people hit level 50 (In about 2 days time) and jump into Vet dungeons without any passives in most skill lines. Expect to roll through content on Vet runs.

Understand what you mean, but you must know lot of ppl play this for fun and do not make it lot work of it. Me personal, my first char was a mess, my second also, but now i know a lot how to build your char from the ground up. And still not perfect, but much better. A community is there for to help, not to blame and make ppl ridiculous.

hmsdragonfly

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Exactly.

I've noticed a huge uptick in Sorcerer "Healers". One healing skill slotted (usually Mutagen). Doesn't cut it, queue as DPS and don't waste people's time.

No tank worth anything wants that garbage.

Want to run with my sorc healer? I can even provide stam support if you ever need stam support in a ... vet dungeon. Not sure if any decent tank needs stam support in a vet dungeon though.

raidentenshu_ESO

max_only wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

You obviously never played a MMO game before (Is ESO your first MMO game???) if you think like that. You're suppose to work as a team. A team that is suppose to help each other. DPS are suppose to focus on sustaining massive amount of damage on the enemies and boss while the tank is suppose to taunt the boss ,and take the beating from the boss.

The healer is suppose to heal and provide the necessary sustain to help the the DPS and the tank from losing resources.

How hard is it to slot in Mystic Orb for your Magic based DPS and Luminous Shards?

And yeah.... a lot of healers don't know how to play their role properly.

hmsdragonfly

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

If you are not a templar healer, use this when the noobs cannot manage their stam in a vet dungeon:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Circle+of+Protection

hmsdragonfly

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

You obviously never played a MMO game before (Is ESO your first MMO game???) if you think like that. You're suppose to work as a team. A team that is suppose to help each other. DPS are suppose to focus on sustaining massive amount of damage on the enemies and boss while the tank is suppose to taunt the boss ,and take the beating from the boss.

The healer is suppose to heal and provide the necessary sustain to help the the DPS and the tank from losing resources.

How hard is it to slot in Mystic Orb for your Magic based DPS and Luminous Shards?

And yeah.... a lot of healers don't know how to play their role properly.

That's true for vet trials, but not necessarily true for vet dungeons, especially in pugs. No decent tank or decent DPS ever needs stam support in a vet dungeon. It's so easy to heavy attack every 5-8 seconds to get your stam back. If the tank and DDs are so bad that they need stam support, usually their DPS are also bad so I would rather play as an offensive healer who does the majority of the DPS. Before you ask, yes, I do have a full support setup when I run with guildies and friends who are reliable to complete the dungeon as quick as possible.

Cryptical

max_only wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

To add to this...

Compensate for that, and we also lost our ability to juice the regen of the entire group with radiant aura, meaning I'm in the position of sending shards to the dps so much more that those CoA2 air atros chase me around and the frakkin ash Titan turns aggro on me now and then.

Healer being hounded by adds and periodically fleeing boss attacks is not kosher.

We Templar healers are not the group's extra batteries. If the rest of you do not come to understand that and quit being so dependent on us as your resource crutch, I predict your crutch will be rebalanced out from under you - leaving you to fall on your arse.

raidentenshu_ESO

@hmsdragonfly when the other DPS isn't pulling his own weight (Some DPS are terrible) it's kinda hard to control sustainability when you have to carry a weak DPS.

Even in dungeons having an extra boost of resources from the healer helps a lot.