dungeons are not fun anymore

Nahtal

Cryptical wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

To add to this...

We Templar healers are not the group's extra batteries. If the rest of you do not come to understand that and quit being so dependent on us as your resource crutch, I predict your crutch will be rebalanced out from under you - leaving you to fall on your arse.

Well, i'm willing to help with that (just complete a perfect vet hm run with my shards) but its the way how ppl brings it. If they ask me and explain about the function of these shards, will gladly use them. Have focus on healing only with my Templar char healing skills are maxed out, CP points are wisely spent pure for healing. And, someone told it already here i have always learned that a tank generate his stamina by him self. My magicka comes from heavy and also light attacks nobody give,s me magicka. And then again come to this point the attitude from players against others, that's my whole point.

EvilCroc

I'm okay with shards and repentance playing my templar heal main. It is a habit already.
What I can't accept - new trend of magicka DD's whining about eledrain and this dumb, stupid orbs.
You have my siphon spirit on bosses already, what else do you need?
I've even tried to use luminous shards instead of blazing ones. Do you know what happened? Nothing. Not even single magicka DD used luminous shard synergy. Ever.

Jeremy

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

Ep1kMalware

Everstorm wrote: »

Funny how everyone assumes he is a templar.

Magica nb healers
Never had a bad exerience with them. Templar healers are the reason I que as a healer and don't lfg vet pledges.

Imo: lowbies have it the worst with bad attitude healers.

Ep1kMalware

Cryptical wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

To add to this...

Compensate for that, and we also lost our ability to juice the regen of the entire group with radiant aura, meaning I'm in the position of sending shards to the dps so much more that those CoA2 air atros chase me around and the frakkin ash Titan turns aggro on me now and then.

Healer being hounded by adds and periodically fleeing boss attacks is not kosher.

We Templar healers are not the group's extra batteries. If the rest of you do not come to understand that and quit being so dependent on us as your resource crutch, I predict your crutch will be rebalanced out from under you - leaving you to fall on your arse.

Actually, that's EXACTLY what you are there to do. Buff dps, offer damage mitigation, blow warhorn. Spam shards/healing springs/combat prayer/power of the light. You have absolutely no right to complain about dps not doing their absolute best when you are for damn certain not doing your best eithers. =.=

Trust me groups that can sustain without you will run without you, so you had best get used to running with groups that need your support

Tan9oSuccka

Cryptical wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

Maybe work on your personal sustain?

Random normal pugs aren't the place to dictate to strangers how they should build their character for your benefit.

The CC from shards got nerfed and a few of us are trying a different set up to compensate.

L2p?

To add to this...

Compensate for that, and we also lost our ability to juice the regen of the entire group with radiant aura, meaning I'm in the position of sending shards to the dps so much more that those CoA2 air atros chase me around and the frakkin ash Titan turns aggro on me now and then.

Healer being hounded by adds and periodically fleeing boss attacks is not kosher.

We Templar healers are not the group's extra batteries. If the rest of you do not come to understand that and quit being so dependent on us as your resource crutch, I predict your crutch will be rebalanced out from under you - leaving you to fall on your arse.

Why not run all 4 DPS then? Might as well if everyone is out only for themselves.

Good luck with that. I don't want you on my team.

Tan9oSuccka

Jeremy wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

Nahtal

Have say my words, i m not taking part off bashing classes.

Everstorm

I think a lot of the anger/frustration aimed at ppl not playing by the meta is really caused by the RNG loot distribution.
If you have to run a dungeon dozens of times to get the pieces you want with the traits you want then you just want to do that whole ordeal as efficiently as possible. I can understand not having the patience with some noobie after the RNG screwed you over 50 times.
Maybe the groupfinder should have a "storyline mode" option or something for ppl new or not in a hurry.
To me this is not a matter of right and wrong but of two different playstyles/mindsets thrown into a mixer. It's bound to cause friction.

Dynalon

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

Nobody rolls a tank because its boring as hell, most of the time you stand there holding block, weaving some attacks in between and pressing taunt button every 15s so that dps does not have to block for you.

As a tank if you are low on resources and need to continuously block in next few second its your fault for not managing resources in the first place and not using heavy attacks when you could. In dungeons it means that healer will have to heal your ass because you will take full damage and you might die if you don't have high enough hp pool.
As a healer if you are low on resources it means that everyone else is constantly taking unnecessary damage or that you don't know what you are doing. Either way you are gonna wipe because of it.

Stamina is not regenerating while you block, well then maybe L2P and watch whats going on and maybe you won't have to hold it all the time.

hmsdragonfly

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

@hmsdragonfly when the other DPS isn't pulling his own weight (Some DPS are terrible) it's kinda hard to control sustainability when you have to carry a weak DPS.

Even in dungeons having an extra boost of resources from the healer helps a lot.

In that case, isn't it better if the healer takes the place of the terrible DD? So you will have a good DD and a decent DD who can also heal, you don't need to do the DPS of 2 people anymore. I always have ele drain on so the good DD should be fine with sustain anyway.
If the DDs are good (when i run with friends, guildies etc), I always run my support setup. If the DDs are terrible, well, like 50% of the time in Pugs, I just say "screw it" and be an offensive healer.

hmsdragonfly

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

Looted pots and heavy attacks should be enough to get you through any vet dungeons, except for maybe CoS and Mazzatun HM (I don't know, i don't have that DLC). I have a DK tank, a magblade sap tank and a Magplar tank, I do fine without shards, as I can do heavy attacks from time to time, plus my DK has Igneous Shield, my Magplar has Repentence, my Magblade has Siphoning Attacks.

Vapirko

jakeedmundson wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

If a healer isn't feeding me shards, I vote kick.

^^^^ people that don't know how to play are the ones that ruin group finder.

You should not need shards in any dungeon... even on vet. If they toss them to you, great... use them. If not, deal with it. pop a potion and learn to sustain yourself.

Wrong.

Ozstryker

Sooo much salt here!!
Here's my 2pennys tho.. When I'm healing repentance is awesome for the heal alone.. the fact that everyone also gets a stamina boost is a bonus... Shards and orbs aside from the synergies are great aoe dmg and ele drain is great just for the debuff, the magica steal also is handy for everyone. Every templar healer should be using these skills imo.

When tanking, I use green dragon blood plus some stam regen in CPs. also 5% passive from using obsidian shield, and the passive return from using a ultimate means I'm rarely short of stamina.. And if i am, a potion soon fixes it.. I don't like to rely on healers to boost my resorces, but.. When they do it makes the run so much smoother.. And fun!

Not sure i used the correct skill names.. I'm at work

DHale

As a healer, repentance and shards are required and not optional.

WarpigFunk

DHale wrote: »

As a healer, repentance and shards are required and not optional.

This.


I have a templar healer ... I run shards, orbs, ele drain, repentance, combat prayer, warhorn, etc... I wear SPC and Mending - or if needed I'll wear worm.

The healer's job in ESO, is not "Heal" ... the healer's job is group support (as is the tank's).
That means healing, returning resources, buffing group damage, debuffing mobs, and on lower level content also doing some DPS - because dead mobs don't hurt.

If you think you're a good healer by just mashing healing springs and BoL, be prepared for the occasional tank or DPS that is used to running with endgame healers to question your setup. And certainly don't bring that mentality to a vet trial.

raidentenshu_ESO

For those who think that it isn't the healers responsibility for throwing out magical/stamina synergy you seem to be forgetting that not everyone has the same setup... the same BIS gear (burning spellweave,etc)... for DPS sorcs/Templar some players have a 5 sets of:

Moondancer: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Moondancer+Set
Alkosh: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twilight+Remedy+Set
Lunar Bastion Set: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Lunar+Bastion+Set

DPS like me have group related setup.... not solo where we must rely on self healing and self sustain for vMA. We rely on the healer to help us with our overall DPS. Sure we can try to self sustain ourselves, but at what cost? Our DPS? No. Not in a group setup where other players are involved. I'm not going to to jeopardize my DPS because the healer refuses to slot in shards, mystic orbs and repentance.

pizzaow

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

If you are not a templar healer, use this when the noobs cannot manage their stam in a vet dungeon:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Circle+of+Protection

I like the suggestion, but I can't figure out what this has to do with stam management... it seems to only impact health. Am I missing something?

hmsdragonfly

pizzaow wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

If you are not a templar healer, use this when the noobs cannot manage their stam in a vet dungeon:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Circle+of+Protection

I like the suggestion, but I can't figure out what this has to do with stam management... it seems to only impact health. Am I missing something?

Oh the link is outdated, sorry i didn't check.
It provides 20% more stam regen if you stand inside the circle.

mewcatus

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

@hmsdragonfly when the other DPS isn't pulling his own weight (Some DPS are terrible) it's kinda hard to control sustainability when you have to carry a weak DPS.

Even in dungeons having an extra boost of resources from the healer helps a lot.

In that case, isn't it better if the healer takes the place of the terrible DD? So you will have a good DD and a decent DD who can also heal, you don't need to do the DPS of 2 people anymore. I always have ele drain on so the good DD should be fine with sustain anyway.
If the DDs are good (when i run with friends, guildies etc), I always run my support setup. If the DDs are terrible, well, like 50% of the time in Pugs, I just say "screw it" and be an offensive healer.

I concur.

Am a sorc healer myself, and I did most of my pledges via group finder, even on vet and the DLC dungeons. Shards is not an option for my class, and honestly, it is barely missed. Runs are pretty good, so pretty much ignore all those who say it is mandatory. They are the legitimately squishy dps. They spec out full damage, totally ignoring defense. So much so they die whenever mobs so much as look at them, then blame healers for not healing them. I am talking 2 hits and then a 1 hit KO types. These are the type of dps you want to ignore in dungeons. They stand in the red, don't understand some damage mechanics are unavoidable and just generally die if someone isn't there to spoon feed them.

Do yourself a favour as a healer, ignore them. It is far easier to find a dungeon in group finder as a healer, and while runs may not be perfect, they can be completed and often make for a good challenge. They also test your ability to handle adverse situations.

Knights12

As a dedicated Healer, Templar, I find the easiest thing for do is have all the popular skills at my disposal. The whining during runs is horrible, so I take a proactive approach.

Having said that, I prefer to keep a DPS back bar. It makes the dungeon go faster and smoother if your group can self sustain.

max_only

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

As a Magblade Saptank I have crazy sustain, at the loss of dps. It takes me forever to kill a boss by self, but I'm never (as long as I know the mechanics) out of resources or about to die.

I'm not talking about Vet TRIALS, I'm talking about random normal pugs. In random normal Pick Up Groups you need to have some self sustain.

I only play healer and tank, never dps. And at the age of.... over 30 lol...I've played a number of mmos. Mostly as a healer, but I love to tank. I will never race change for you or anyone else's meta and I will slowly acquire the BiS in my down darn time.

So bye bye with that "you need to build your character for my benefit". I have group beneficial skills sure, but I'm not your stam cow lol

Tan9oSuccka

max_only wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

As a Magblade Saptank I have crazy sustain, at the loss of dps. It takes me forever to kill a boss by self, but I'm never (as long as I know the mechanics) out of resources or about to die.

I'm not talking about Vet TRIALS, I'm talking about random normal pugs. In random normal Pick Up Groups you need to have some self sustain.

I only play healer and tank, never dps. And at the age of.... over 30 lol...I've played a number of mmos. Mostly as a healer, but I love to tank. I will never race change for you or anyone else's meta and I will slowly acquire the BiS in my down darn time.

So bye bye with that "you need to build your character for my benefit". I have group beneficial skills sure, but I'm not your stam cow lol

I'm not talking about normal dungeons. You can pull together any four idiots with terrible builds and gear to get through those along with a few Vets too.

You are aware of skills that help your teammates but don't use them....because reasons? Should the tank also not debuff, root, hold aggro and do things for the group? I mean after all, your not doing your job....why should they?

You can continue being selfish/unaware of others on your own terms with questing or delve diving, just don't do it in GROUP content.

hmsdragonfly

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

As a Magblade Saptank I have crazy sustain, at the loss of dps. It takes me forever to kill a boss by self, but I'm never (as long as I know the mechanics) out of resources or about to die.

I'm not talking about Vet TRIALS, I'm talking about random normal pugs. In random normal Pick Up Groups you need to have some self sustain.

I only play healer and tank, never dps. And at the age of.... over 30 lol...I've played a number of mmos. Mostly as a healer, but I love to tank. I will never race change for you or anyone else's meta and I will slowly acquire the BiS in my down darn time.

So bye bye with that "you need to build your character for my benefit". I have group beneficial skills sure, but I'm not your stam cow lol

I'm not talking about normal dungeons. You can pull together any four idiots with terrible builds and gear to get through those along with a few Vets too.

You are aware of skills that help your teammates but don't use them....because reasons? Should the tank also not debuff, root, hold aggro and do things for the group? I mean after all, your not doing your job....why should they?

You can continue being selfish/unaware of others on your own terms with questing or delve diving, just don't do it in GROUP content.

Tank should taunt (taunt also debuff) and hold aggro, and healer should heal and ele drain.

But no decent tank needs shards in a vet dungeon. If your DDs are good, run a support setup to speed things up. If the DDs are bad, run your offensive setup or it will take you 2 hours to get through the dungeon.

Turelus

Join a guild, that way you you can play with like minded people, that's the point of guilds.

If you go through your MMO life doing PUGs you need to accept the PUGs as they are.

Nahtal

I'm playing vet dungeons to heal but if necessary i do some improvements to help my group. Because i have focus on healing i have miss some skills that are also handy (it seems) using my shards now also solo makes my char an improvement. Make lot of dmg now, and kill random enemy's easier. This was not my point of discussion, its how ppl communicate on a disrespectful way to each other. I'm running a guild, and have sing up here to read and place some discussions. We are a community here and in-game so little more friendly its not much to ask.

Morgul667

Running without shard is good practice for beginners tank. Most dungeon fight do not really need it. Ofc i take one when provided with one, but i dont expect it.

If i have to choose, I prefer healer to give dps boost and sustain with elemental drain and so on

Dungeon by group finder can lead to great or bad surprises.... ive seen some pretty nice and good players and i have seen some pretty bad ones. Usually the one cursing in chat are not the good ones.

max_only

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Those players (tanks especially - who often feel entitled) that pout and/or leave the dungeon when they don't get their way are annoying no doubt about it. Healers who don't use shards are going to encounter them often. Rarely do I find that shards makes any meaningful difference in 4 man dungeons. At most - all they usually do is help a smooth run go a little faster. I can certainly understand why a healer would consider another ability in its place.

There's not really a solution to this sadly. Either use shards or expect to be replacing a lot of tanks - which can take awhile.

Just feel sorry for them (that's what I do). Must be bad to suck so bad you can't even play unless they have a Templar spamming shards next them. Maybe healers should start demanding that tanks spam orbs to help them keep their magicka up and then pitch a fit and leave every dungeon unless they do.

It would be funny to watch how they react to their own medicine.

It's funny how everyone says that tanking is easy and they need to L2P. Magically, nobody rolls a tank.

Here's where your argument falls apart. As a healer, if your low on resources you can hang back and heavy attack.

Why is this different for the tank? THE BOSS IS BEATING YOU IN THE FACE. STAMINA DOES NOT REGEN IN BLOCK.

There. Easy enough.

As a Magblade Saptank I have crazy sustain, at the loss of dps. It takes me forever to kill a boss by self, but I'm never (as long as I know the mechanics) out of resources or about to die.

I'm not talking about Vet TRIALS, I'm talking about random normal pugs. In random normal Pick Up Groups you need to have some self sustain.

I only play healer and tank, never dps. And at the age of.... over 30 lol...I've played a number of mmos. Mostly as a healer, but I love to tank. I will never race change for you or anyone else's meta and I will slowly acquire the BiS in my down darn time.

So bye bye with that "you need to build your character for my benefit". I have group beneficial skills sure, but I'm not your stam cow lol

I'm not talking about normal dungeons. You can pull together any four idiots with terrible builds and gear to get through those along with a few Vets too.

You are aware of skills that help your teammates but don't use them....because reasons? Should the tank also not debuff, root, hold aggro and do things for the group? I mean after all, your not doing your job....why should they?

You can continue being selfish/unaware of others on your own terms with questing or delve diving, just don't do it in GROUP content.

@Tan9oSuccka
I am aware of skills that help my teammates and I DO use them but I'm not going to stand for people who DEPEND on others for their sustain and kicking players in a random normal pug.

I'm reacting to that person who said if the healer doesn't feed them shards they vote kick.

In a random normal pug one has to be versatile bc one isn't the king of the game telling people how to build themselves for one's personal benefit.

You're not talking about normal dungeons? I am. I qualified my first statement with "random normal pugs" and I continue to qualify my statements with "random normal pugs"

Vet trials are different. Competitive gaming is different. Who runs with randoms when every second counts? You run with a team you know and trust and who compliment each other's builds.

AtraisMachina

Nahtal wrote: »

So my second thread about this. Last few days when i'm playing plegde,s ppl are frustrated when i'm as healer can not give stamina.

Result: ppl leaves

When i'm in a dungeon tank is high cp lvl and the rest lower tank leaves

Result: wasting time to find another tank, because dungeon finder is broken and far from complete.

ppl that write in chat are disrespectful when they can not get what they want

ppl that spare time to walk strait to the boss and ignore other adds.

So short version the attitude that players have is not normal anymore, do not use dungeon finder anymore, and maybe will stop playing in this dungeons. Only with friends, and with my guild.

An one other thing: WTS spamming in zone chat is mostly potential scam and in my opinion spam in zone chat.

Forgive my english i'm not perfect.

Do you wanna know what I dont like? I dont like mmo players who queue for group content and then refuse to adapt to there group or take advice from other players. People wanna "Play how they want" and yet some how that turns into "I don't care about my dps" or "I just wanna have fun" and they completely disregard thier group. Guess what!!!! There are 3 other people with you whos time is just as valuable as yours and your refusal to understand that this is an mmo and you need to adapt to group play is YOUR PROBLEM NOT THIERS!!!!

Meta doesn't exist to be cool it exists because its what works. Your group needs stamina and magika. Period. If you wanna go to burger king and get it your way go play a single player RPG TES game. Or just stop queueing for end game content if your not prepared to adapt to it.

Nahtal

Morgul667 wrote: »

Dungeon by group finder can lead to great or bad surprises.... ive seen some pretty nice and good players and i have seen some pretty bad ones. Usually the one cursing in chat are not the good ones.

Yes that's right.