Green allience are really gettin pathetic

Artemiisia

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This is how the map looks like almost everyday, on eu trueflame, that its really getting old and boring, are people of the blue and yellow side so small minded that they cant even fight us (read pact 1 vs 1 faction), its funny to see this green alliance everyday, so scared of a real fight that it always have to be 2vs1, and you guys never fight against each other, knowing that we (the pact) would smash you to pieces.

Hoiw about you guys start fighting each other also, or you to freaking scared???


This needs to stop, so that ap the lower the faction have of resources and keeps, the lower ap you gain from taking them

Turelus

Did you ever thing they might just be annoyed you take the entire map every time and want to punish you?

Also are you (EP) winning the campaign in points? If so then yes they will ally against you because bringing #1 down and not screwing your own score by having to defend two fonts in the best tactical advantage.

This is the exact reason there are three alliances, so when one is winning the other two can fight back and beat them down.

If you want to stop it happening then as the saying goes "git gud" and form up strong groups which can fight back, head behind enemy lines and start taking their keeps forcing them to return to their own lands whilst other groups recapture your home keeps and push forwards.

Artemiisia

this has been like this for 2 years now, green alliance are noobs at pvp, since they cant beat us 1vs1 faction wise

olivesforge

That's not a Team Green. Green rules require that the border be fixed at Ash Milegate, not south of Roebeck. Also, AD has 1 DC scroll, which is a big no-no.

Artemiisia

and yet they are both fighting us, even when we dont have anything, you even saying it olivesforge, DC aint even going after their own freaking scroll, they are cowards

Zinaroth

I like that in the screenshot you provided as evidence the AD is in fact sieging the DC.

olivesforge

If DC is in Roe, they're definitely pushing AD, and DC scouts are already prepping for a run at Fare and BM.

AD's groups attacking EP are clearly having an easier time of it than the groups defending against DC. Maybe if EP was more competent, the situation would be reversed.

In any event, all of the factions are attacking each other. That's game design working well.

Artemiisia

They are still blue, and no one is sieges them now

Lieblingsjunge

That is so not Azura-EU though. AD have 3 keeps - had Fare, BM, BB since EP/DC decided it's fun to fight locked + locked vs. low-population around 1400 CET today.

If you look at Azura-EU Scoreboard: 9k points to EP, AD on 7,1k, DC on 6,6k. Mostly thanks to EP's frequent nightcapping/day since New Years.

I'm sad to tell you that AD had, a couple of days ago, both Low pop. bonus & low score bonus.Just to put it into perspective.

Current map:


Current population:


Current scoreboard:
http://i.imgur.com/FCYoolG.png

bowmanz607

I am willing tof bet this is the story behind that map. Yellow holds their home keeps at a minimum. Yellow and red fight on bridge endlessly until yellow pushes to see and does same thing between brk and sej. Meanwhile, a smaller population of people looking for more then the mindless rez, walk in straight line, right, rezoning etc are on blue side trying to take the map over there but don't have enough numbers because everyone wants to run to brk.

While red and yellow pugs just keep streaming into one another back and forth blue takes chal and roe because majority of red and yellow are still fighting between brk and sej. However r3d pulls just enough people off of brk to go to chal/arrius if blue hits it to cut off chal. This provides the pugs of ad enough time to take brk.

The reason it typically stays like this is because blue, yellow, red, all now hav3 a keep next to each other. This pulls many player to this triangle of keeps because it maximizes the number of pvp fights whole on the other side of the map there are just not wrought people playing the map on that side to push blue back or yellow further.

It's not so much about team green as it is about pugs just being pugs and running in a straight line where they find most pvp encounters.

Moglijuana

bowmanz607

Artemiisia wrote: »

this has been like this for 2 years now, green alliance are noobs at pvp, since they cant beat us 1vs1 faction wise

Yah because red and yellow and red and. Luella are never a thing hahaha.

Turelus

Artemiisia wrote: »

this has been like this for 2 years now, green alliance are noobs at pvp, since they cant beat us 1vs1 faction wise

I used to raid lead PvP for almost 2 years on the main campaign with others and we were able to break the "green alliance" dead lock every night with good tactics and co-ordination.

The problem is without organised groups/guilds leading groups and being in communication you will all just run at BRK/Chalm and wipe over and over wondering why the DC/AD just whole up their and enjoy the green rain of AP.

Here is a tactical breakdown of how to clear the deadlock, granted you would actually need groups and communication to achieve it (apologies for any incorrect keep names).



Group 1

• A - Attack Faragyl, AD will go "OMG DA SCROLL!!!" and everyone on the front line will run for that one keep.
• B - Either take the scroll and hold the keep as long as your can, or if wiped instantly go for BRK whilst AD are busy.
• C - Go for Drakelowe to regain a home keep and meet up with other groups.
• D - When there are two groups and assuming Drakelowe is capture hit both their back keeps, they will lose transit and have to defend another scroll. This may also draw DC south as their scroll would be vulnerable.

Group 2

• 2 (should be 2A) - Attack Ash to draw DC back from Chalman and gain another shot at gaining your scroll.
• B - Either take the scroll and hold the keep as long as your can, or if wiped instantly go for BRK whilst DC are busy.
• C - Go for Drakelowe to regain a home keep and meet up with other groups.
• D - When there are two groups and assuming Drakelowe is capture hit both their back keeps, they will lose transit and have to defend another scroll. This may also draw DC south as their scroll would be vulnerable.

Group 3

• A - Take Chalman whilst DC are defending Ash.
• B - Take Dragonclaw to disable DC home keep bonus and distract them/make them run to give groups 1 & 2 more time.
• C - Attack Glademist to draw DC back again.

bowmanz607

Zinaroth wrote: »

I like that in the screenshot you provided as evidence the AD is in fact sieging the DC.

Those are just the right map try hardship that don't want to pug in a straight line trying to do something with the map. I am willing to bet if ad got Nik they didn't hold for long haha. Of sat there with no blues showing up and still no ad take roe.

Artemiisia

the funny thing is more and more people from pact side, like Zinaroth in this thread, runs scared to make a AD/DC char instead to do pvp with, and then starts bashing on pacts, loving the irony of it.

and sorry I meant Trueflame

Artemiisia

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I am willing tof bet this is the story behind that map. Yellow holds their home keeps at a minimum. Yellow and red fight on bridge endlessly until yellow pushes to see and does same thing between brk and sej. Meanwhile, a smaller population of people looking for more then the mindless rez, walk in straight line, right, rezoning etc are on blue side trying to take the map over there but don't have enough numbers because everyone wants to run to brk.

While red and yellow pugs just keep streaming into one another back and forth blue takes chal and roe because majority of red and yellow are still fighting between brk and sej. However r3d pulls just enough people off of brk to go to chal/arrius if blue hits it to cut off chal. This provides the pugs of ad enough time to take brk.

The reason it typically stays like this is because blue, yellow, red, all now hav3 a keep next to each other. This pulls many player to this triangle of keeps because it maximizes the number of pvp fights whole on the other side of the map there are just not wrought people playing the map on that side to push blue back or yellow further.

It's not so much about team green as it is about pugs just being pugs and running in a straight line where they find most pvp encounters.

I have seen many times, yellows coming to rescue blues from losing a keep, without attacking each other, and wise versa, so dont give me that crap about the green alliance not helping each other

bowmanz607

Artemiisia wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I am willing tof bet this is the story behind that map. Yellow holds their home keeps at a minimum. Yellow and red fight on bridge endlessly until yellow pushes to see and does same thing between brk and sej. Meanwhile, a smaller population of people looking for more then the mindless rez, walk in straight line, right, rezoning etc are on blue side trying to take the map over there but don't have enough numbers because everyone wants to run to brk.

While red and yellow pugs just keep streaming into one another back and forth blue takes chal and roe because majority of red and yellow are still fighting between brk and sej. However r3d pulls just enough people off of brk to go to chal/arrius if blue hits it to cut off chal. This provides the pugs of ad enough time to take brk.

The reason it typically stays like this is because blue, yellow, red, all now hav3 a keep next to each other. This pulls many player to this triangle of keeps because it maximizes the number of pvp fights whole on the other side of the map there are just not wrought people playing the map on that side to push blue back or yellow further.

It's not so much about team green as it is about pugs just being pugs and running in a straight line where they find most pvp encounters.

I have seen many times, yellows coming to rescue blues from losing a keep, without attacking each other, and wise versa, so dont give me that crap about the green alliance not helping each other

Red does this to so don't try and act all high and mighty.

Turelus

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I am willing tof bet this is the story behind that map. Yellow holds their home keeps at a minimum. Yellow and red fight on bridge endlessly until yellow pushes to see and does same thing between brk and sej. Meanwhile, a smaller population of people looking for more then the mindless rez, walk in straight line, right, rezoning etc are on blue side trying to take the map over there but don't have enough numbers because everyone wants to run to brk.

While red and yellow pugs just keep streaming into one another back and forth blue takes chal and roe because majority of red and yellow are still fighting between brk and sej. However r3d pulls just enough people off of brk to go to chal/arrius if blue hits it to cut off chal. This provides the pugs of ad enough time to take brk.

The reason it typically stays like this is because blue, yellow, red, all now hav3 a keep next to each other. This pulls many player to this triangle of keeps because it maximizes the number of pvp fights whole on the other side of the map there are just not wrought people playing the map on that side to push blue back or yellow further.

It's not so much about team green as it is about pugs just being pugs and running in a straight line where they find most pvp encounters.

I have seen many times, yellows coming to rescue blues from losing a keep, without attacking each other, and wise versa, so dont give me that crap about the green alliance not helping each other

Red does this to so don't try and act all high and mighty.

Everyone does it, since forever. However the PvP populace of ESO seems to have selective memory when it comes to them using the same "cheap" tactics others are having success using against them.

Rickter

if the devs designed the game for 1 v 1 Alliance war, they wouldnt have included 3 factions.

Artemiisia

Turelus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

this has been like this for 2 years now, green alliance are noobs at pvp, since they cant beat us 1vs1 faction wise

I used to raid lead PvP for almost 2 years on the main campaign with others and we were able to break the "green alliance" dead lock every night with good tactics and co-ordination.

The problem is without organised groups/guilds leading groups and being in communication you will all just run at BRK/Chalm and wipe over and over wondering why the DC/AD just whole up their and enjoy the green rain of AP.

Here is a tactical breakdown of how to clear the deadlock, granted you would actually need groups and communication to achieve it (apologies for any incorrect keep names).



Group 1

• A - Attack Faragyl, AD will go "OMG DA SCROLL!!!" and everyone on the front line will run for that one keep.
• B - Either take the scroll and hold the keep as long as your can, or if wiped instantly go for BRK whilst AD are busy.
• C - Go for Drakelowe to regain a home keep and meet up with other groups.
• D - When there are two groups and assuming Drakelowe is capture hit both their back keeps, they will lose transit and have to defend another scroll. This may also draw DC south as their scroll would be vulnerable.

Group 2

• 2 (should be 2A) - Attack Ash to draw DC back from Chalman and gain another shot at gaining your scroll.
• B - Either take the scroll and hold the keep as long as your can, or if wiped instantly go for BRK whilst DC are busy.
• C - Go for Drakelowe to regain a home keep and meet up with other groups.
• D - When there are two groups and assuming Drakelowe is capture hit both their back keeps, they will lose transit and have to defend another scroll. This may also draw DC south as their scroll would be vulnerable.

Group 3

• A - Take Chalman whilst DC are defending Ash.
• B - Take Dragonclaw to disable DC home keep bonus and distract them/make them run to give groups 1 & 2 more time.
• C - Attack Glademist to draw DC back again.

well the main problem, is all of the pvp'ers that were making good progress on pact side, heroes of skryim, wabbajack, warcouncil and such, many of these are either gone, or people have jumped to AD/DC side since they have it easier.

Artemiisia

its quite funny to see its AD/DC players thats comments on this, trying to protect their green alliance

bowmanz607

Artemiisia wrote: »

its quite funny to see its AD/DC players thats comments on this, trying to protect their green alliance

What is funny is seeing ep act like the helpless damsel when really your just as guilty.

Rickter

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

its quite funny to see its AD/DC players thats comments on this, trying to protect their green alliance

What is funny is seeing ep act like the helpless damsel when really your just as guilty.

dayum. . .

hey @Artemiisia would you like some reindeer with that slay?

Ghost-Shot

You say that as if the purple alliance and orange alliance aren't a thing, that's how a 3 way fight works. When its advantageous for 2 sides to team against another they will, but that alliance is short lived. For example, during the ep dethrone on NA/Trueflame yesterday ep was getting pushed by AD and DC, because they had emp. Durring the same time DC also went full potato trying to push yellow keeps during the dethrone and ep held emp longer than necessary because of the AD agro we pulled.

Artemiisia

so how can you guys justify this map, and both blue/yellows keep fighting reds, and not each other to actually get the upper hand of map control?

Turelus

Artemiisia wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

this has been like this for 2 years now, green alliance are noobs at pvp, since they cant beat us 1vs1 faction wise

I used to raid lead PvP for almost 2 years on the main campaign with others and we were able to break the "green alliance" dead lock every night with good tactics and co-ordination.

The problem is without organised groups/guilds leading groups and being in communication you will all just run at BRK/Chalm and wipe over and over wondering why the DC/AD just whole up their and enjoy the green rain of AP.

Here is a tactical breakdown of how to clear the deadlock, granted you would actually need groups and communication to achieve it (apologies for any incorrect keep names).



Group 1

• A - Attack Faragyl, AD will go "OMG DA SCROLL!!!" and everyone on the front line will run for that one keep.
• B - Either take the scroll and hold the keep as long as your can, or if wiped instantly go for BRK whilst AD are busy.
• C - Go for Drakelowe to regain a home keep and meet up with other groups.
• D - When there are two groups and assuming Drakelowe is capture hit both their back keeps, they will lose transit and have to defend another scroll. This may also draw DC south as their scroll would be vulnerable.

Group 2

• 2 (should be 2A) - Attack Ash to draw DC back from Chalman and gain another shot at gaining your scroll.
• B - Either take the scroll and hold the keep as long as your can, or if wiped instantly go for BRK whilst DC are busy.
• C - Go for Drakelowe to regain a home keep and meet up with other groups.
• D - When there are two groups and assuming Drakelowe is capture hit both their back keeps, they will lose transit and have to defend another scroll. This may also draw DC south as their scroll would be vulnerable.

Group 3

• A - Take Chalman whilst DC are defending Ash.
• B - Take Dragonclaw to disable DC home keep bonus and distract them/make them run to give groups 1 & 2 more time.
• C - Attack Glademist to draw DC back again.

well the main problem, is all of the pvp'ers that were making good progress on pact side, heroes of skryim, wabbajack, warcouncil and such, many of these are either gone, or people have jumped to AD/DC side since they have it easier.

War Council dissolved because it basically was just Wabbajack any way, when Torsten left the game we lost our most active raid leader meaning less casual/PUG groups and focused more internally.

HoS hasn't been serious in a long time, I love them all as they are founding members of the true War Council but when JB stepped away they didn't keep up activity.

Wabbajack has been in a mending phase the last year after the entirety of the old leadership and raid leaders (self included) rage quit the guild and/or the game.
They've bounced back well thanks to the fantastic leadership of @Nermy and are building a strong PvP guild again, but are mainly focused on Trueflame which is why you won't see them active in Azura's Star.

The problem is running something like War Council and being able to win campaign after campaign with 24/7 groups takes a hell of a toll on the people running it.
You need to find raid leaders who are good as well as don't alienate members due to their attitudes or leading styles, run a TeamSpeak server which can handle 40+ people, sort out all the petty arguments and squabbles that inevitably happen when dealing with so many gamers, keep the moral up when the campaign isn't going your way, etc.

Speaking for myself I don't think I was more stressed in the last years gaming than the time I was leading Wabbajack just because of the amount of work I had to do just to keep raids up and full whilst also starting a new job and going through a lot of RL emotional stuff at the same time.

Zinaroth

Artemiisia wrote: »

the funny thing is more and more people from pact side, like Zinaroth in this thread, runs scared to make a AD/DC char instead to do pvp with, and then starts bashing on pacts, loving the irony of it.

I only play on Ebonheart Pact so I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. Now you're just making up sh*t to paint a wrong picture.

Feel free to inspect my signature.

bowmanz607

Artemiisia wrote: »

so how can you guys justify this map, and both blue/yellows keep fighting reds, and not each other to actually get the upper hand of map control?

i said it already. you have 3 keeps next to each other that are 3 different colors. this creates a triangle of pvp. People go to tht triangle because that is where most pvp fights will happen since there are 3 alliances rather then 2. this is especially true for people who dont run in groups.

all in all it is not about map control for many people but getting to pvp asap. The triangle creates the best environment for getting to pvp asap. its not about double teaming red at that point, but maximize pvp encounters.

Artemiisia

Zinaroth wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

the funny thing is more and more people from pact side, like Zinaroth in this thread, runs scared to make a AD/DC char instead to do pvp with, and then starts bashing on pacts, loving the irony of it.

I only play on Ebonheart Pact so I don't know what the f'ck you're talking about. Now you're just making up sh*t to paint a wrong picture.

do you even play pvp then???

since you are agreeing with DC/AD about how things are, and go and see the map of Trueflame, its 80% always yellow due to night capping, and at this hours, it always blues/yellows vs red

Artemiisia

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

so how can you guys justify this map, and both blue/yellows keep fighting reds, and not each other to actually get the upper hand of map control?

i said it already. you have 3 keeps next to each other that are 3 different colors. this creates a triangle of pvp. People go to tht triangle because that is where most pvp fights will happen since there are 3 alliances rather then 2. this is especially true for people who dont run in groups.

all in all it is not about map control for many people but getting to pvp asap. The triangle creates the best environment for getting to pvp asap. its not about double teaming red at that point, but maximize pvp encounters.

and yet thats what happens, by doing so yellow/blue teaming up against red, and they dont fight each other

Rickter

guys lets just look at the common denominator here:

People complain that blue and Yellow team up

People complain that red and Yellow team up

the problem is AD!!!!

they are playing us like a fiddle!!