Why are children as rare as Dwemer in ESO?

DragonBound

Browiseth wrote: »

because elder scrolls fans are weird and would complain that they can't murder them

This right here, people want to bring out their sick issues into an online game world no thank you.

DragonBound

Zuboko wrote: »

If they add them in and don't let them be killable (like Skyrim) then they break immersion. But if they do add them in as killable (whether players kill them or not) then suddenly that would put the game as either adult only content or just outright banned, and at a bare minimum it would have various different activist groups up in arms creating a lot of bad press.

So to just leave them out does not break immersion and does not cause marketing problems.

Additionally they add very little other than atmosphere so what's the point if you are going to possibly face all of those problems.

The game is already rated mature. Yet the community is full of kids that likely should not be playing this game.

DragonBound

t3hdubzy wrote: »

I hear children all the time in area chat usually making fun of me after I get ganked, but just prior to them also getting slaughtered.

If you list closely you can hear their parents in the background taking their playstation away for vulgar language.

Lol no they just ignore and pretend it is ok, welcome to the age of terrible parenting, but it is getting better lately.

Kram8ion

Spamming at wayshrines?

Molydeus

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

because elder scrolls fans are weird and would complain that they can't murder them

This right here, people want to bring out their sick issues into an online game world no thank you.

But other MMOs have children and people's "sick issues" don't come out in those games. What makes you think Elder Scrolls fans are any different? Just because some people had killable children mods in previous Bethesda titles doesn't mean everyone did. The majority did not.

Seraphayel

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Another thread about why no children in ESO.

Children are not needed.

They are needed for immersion. I mean, toilets are not needed as well but they still benefit immersion. Same goes with little animals running around in the open world (deer, rabbits etc.) or in cities (dogs, cats).

If we argue what's needed and what isn't children are still a priority or at least more important than many other things that are still present in game and don't anything to it at all (except immersion).

An entire (MMO)RPG without children doesn't make any sense.

Seraphayel

Molydeus wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

because elder scrolls fans are weird and would complain that they can't murder them

This right here, people want to bring out their sick issues into an online game world no thank you.

But other MMOs have children and people's "sick issues" don't come out in those games. What makes you think Elder Scrolls fans are any different? Just because some people had killable children mods in previous Bethesda titles doesn't mean everyone did. The majority did not.

I still think the argument that people would kill children is flawed and pretty weak.

max_only

If Zos took the time to animate the noses on city rats, I'm not seeing why this supposed detail got thrown out.

Abeille

Molydeus wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

because elder scrolls fans are weird and would complain that they can't murder them

This right here, people want to bring out their sick issues into an online game world no thank you.

But other MMOs have children and people's "sick issues" don't come out in those games. What makes you think Elder Scrolls fans are any different? Just because some people had killable children mods in previous Bethesda titles doesn't mean everyone did. The majority did not.

Yep, that argument honestly makes no sense. Not to mention we have pets, vendors, essential npcs, lots of characters that can't be targeted at all.

ZOS just didn't make the models, that's all. It doesn't mean they will never make them, or that they shouldn't make them. They have some quests that have families where the "children" are grown adults, which is just stupid.

Maybe eventually they will add them, and hopefully update these quests. We have Hildegard, who is canonically very young and has a shorter height than the lowest possible for Nord, so that's something.

FriedEggSandwich

In the same way that ESO is set in an era without dragons, maybe it's also set in an era without children. Maybe the children are hibernating with the dragons and awake in time for skyrim

JWKe

Because the Lord God made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

JinMori

Someone downloaded the killable children mod.....

SydneyGrey

I would love to see children here and there in ESO. ... So long as they aren't like the children in Skyrim where they all look identical. That was a little creepy at times, even though I thought they were cute. There were barely even any variations in hair color. LOL. But, I do think children would be a welcome addition to ESO. They absolutely should make them unkillable, for a few different reasons.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Children are not needed.

Well, technically dogs and cats are not needed, either, but it's nice to see them in the towns sometimes. It helps bring the city to life.

ricam

Evidence of children

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17884654_10209485956240983_605375083293071492_n.jpg?oh=2334e9dc92d58877fc0c3d201bf4b043&oe=599AED54

SakuraTokito

In a game I worked on awhile back, children were left out because 1) extra voices to record and 2) would have needed to prevent the killing of child npcs for ratings purposes. Maybe something similar here?

WalksonGraves

It's almost impossible to get a game out with children that aren't immortal phase beasts.

Balamoor

I'm always a bit creeped out when anyone in mmo's starts asking about kids or about 'family Roleplay."

Colibrri

Because all creatures in Nirn spawn from sparkly soul gems and not from unsightly smelly body parts

ProfessorKittyhawk

There's a few npc's who refer to having children. The npc doesn't look too old, then you see their child and they... look to be around the same age. Like a last in Koeglin village who wants you to rescue her son.

There is a journal from an npc in the DC areas, a soldier I believe, who mentions having an infant daughter. Or a 6 year old. Can't remember. But mentions of children are there.

Asardes

Because NPCs play too much Earth Scrolls Online and don't have time to make them #MMOception

Titansteele

Ever seen the houses with chains across the doors? They are all over the place if you look.

That's where the parasites are, watching you through the cracks in the building with their beady little eyes until them come of age and they are allowed out to join the hordes of killers, thieves and scamsters that populate our world.

Magdalina

There're actually quite a few quests where npcs ask you to help their daughter/son, but the "children" are just npcs with age slider put to minimum so Idk...something like 17 year old daughter, 40-50 years old mother(in human years, I have no idea how mer measure up there)? Seems to add up, at least they went to trouble of making sure "parents" are reasonably older than "children". There're also toys and stuff you can find stealing so honestly it's not THAT immersion breaking, you can just assume that since most areas you go through are torn by war/plague/Daedric invasion/bandits/stuff they did their best to actually evacuate little children to safer places.

Real reasons is probably something people already mentioned above - unkillable children would drive players nuts, killable children would drive other people nuts. Plus I honestly don't think (m)any people enjoyed Skyrim children as a whole.

Sausage

Balamoor wrote: »

I'm always a bit creeped out when anyone in mmo's starts asking about kids or about 'family Roleplay."

Genre is getting old, no-one cant deny that. I just hope they dont push it too far. Considering how many time Children topics has come up in these forums, I would almost bet something is cooking, but then again it should spark something from younger generation if they push forward Family Kiddy stuff.

If they add Kids, they better add boozers at least.

Asardes

JWKe wrote: »

Because the Lord God made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

*Lorkhan & Magnus

Seraphayel

WalksonGraves wrote: »

It's almost impossible to get a game out with children that aren't immortal phase beasts.

So what? WoW and GW2 both have children (you don't even need to fully voice them) and the world just feels more immersive. It's pretty ridiculous that in ESO no children exist. To be honest there is no excuse for the missing children, it's just one of the major flaws this game has.

Izaki

TheShadowScout wrote: »

There are no children because... uhhh... the NPCs all heard player characters were coming and quickly hid all the kinds in their cellars?

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Seriously though, it is at times somewhat grating.
Especially when a quest plot is written for a "child" to rescue, and then gives us an adult looking person behaving like a kid instead... I mean, the "my mom still treats me like a child even though I am fully grown" thing works exactly that one time in Koglin village, but all the other "dults" incapable of walking two dozend paces withjout someone to hold their hand are somewhat annoying...
So, even though I really don't care for kids, I think they should add -some-. Not annoying ones, but... around. Update those in the quests, where it makes sense. Have some walk around "safezone" cities.
They can easily be unkillable like quest NPCs, or they can make it more involved and have them pretend to be attackable, but auto-dodge all attacks and if someone tries, immidiately scream fo rht eguard who will then murderdeathkill the would-be child-beater...
But having some -would- make the game feel more alive...

This is actually a pretty cool suggestion. Kinda like those little things in the Gold Coast that just auto dodge your attacks and then laugh their ***es off.