Why are children as rare as Dwemer in ESO?

SnuggleMePlease

In the case of most races of mer, children wouldn't be a very common occurrence anyways. It is well-known that mer reproduce at rates significantly lower than that of humans (although an exception to this general rule of thumb may be the Bosmer).

Grymmoire

Have you noticed all the Skeevers?
Plump little fellows aren't they; voracious eaters.
Ever wonder how they got that way?
Not by nibbling cheesy bits!

Lyserus

Zuboko wrote: »

If they add them in and don't let them be killable (like Skyrim) then they break immersion. But if they do add them in as killable (whether players kill them or not) then suddenly that would put the game as either adult only content or just outright banned, and at a bare minimum it would have various different activist groups up in arms creating a lot of bad press.

So to just leave them out does not break immersion and does not cause marketing problems.

Additionally they add very little other than atmosphere so what's the point if you are going to possibly face all of those problems.

this is stupid, I can't believe there are still people using this as an argument
Can you kill Ayrenn? Emeric? that hannibalism dunmer? anyone related to a quest? any merchants? Guards?are they by lore have invicibility or something?
"it breaks the immersion"
Such…intelligence

MythicEmperor

Zuboko wrote: »

If they add them in and don't let them be killable (like Skyrim) then they break immersion. But if they do add them in as killable (whether players kill them or not) then suddenly that would put the game as either adult only content or just outright banned, and at a bare minimum it would have various different activist groups up in arms creating a lot of bad press.

So to just leave them out does not break immersion and does not cause marketing problems.

Additionally they add very little other than atmosphere so what's the point if you are going to possibly face all of those problems.

The game's rated M, so I don't see why it would matter.

max_only

There are cribs all over the place. No kids though.

Edit: also you can't kill cats and dogs so the "it breaks immersion if I can't kill them" is bs

ArchMikem

Hildegard in the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary is a child. I'd guess like, 14 maybe?

runagate

ArchMikem wrote: »

Hildegard in the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary is a child. I'd guess like, 14 maybe?

And really weirdly sounds a lot like an in-game friend of mine.

Betheny

Have you ever tried to take your underpants off in this game? That's why.

Kram8ion

Because they're just too delicious like the dodo

Inhuman003

Remag_Div wrote: »

Probably a multitude of reasons:

- Didn't have to model child NPC's
- Didn't have to get children to voice act for them
- People would complain they can't be murdered (yes, this was a complaint in other TES games)

I believe Hildegard in the DB is the only child NPC in the game. Even then, she's more a teenager then a child. I have noticed baby cribs around ESO so it's not like the citzens of Tamriel don't procreate, it's just a dev decision.

It could be done they'll have to make them invisible for personal acts like that in turn them more like in NPCs vendors, undaunted or main characters to the same solution.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

You see when a male and a female are in love they go to a shrine to pray for exactle 6 day 6 hours 6 min snd 6 second and then a new adult apear next to the shrine

But in early 4th era an evil deadra took posesion of the shrine and perverted the ritual and now they create a child, a mer or man looking imortal monster that can only say a very few sentence ( moostly anoying one) for the next 18 years

I hope that answer your question

How to create fake lore by Dark_Lord_Kuro

TheShadowScout

There are no children because... uhhh... the NPCs all heard player characters were coming and quickly hid all the kinds in their cellars?

...

Seriously though, it is at times somewhat grating.
Especially when a quest plot is written for a "child" to rescue, and then gives us an adult looking person behaving like a kid instead... I mean, the "my mom still treats me like a child even though I am fully grown" thing works exactly that one time in Koglin village, but all the other "dults" incapable of walking two dozend paces withjout someone to hold their hand are somewhat annoying...
So, even though I really don't care for kids, I think they should add -some-. Not annoying ones, but... around. Update those in the quests, where it makes sense. Have some walk around "safezone" cities.
They can easily be unkillable like quest NPCs, or they can make it more involved and have them pretend to be attackable, but auto-dodge all attacks and if someone tries, immidiately scream fo rht eguard who will then murderdeathkill the would-be child-beater...
But having some -would- make the game feel more alive...

Seraphayel

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

In the case of most races of mer, children wouldn't be a very common occurrence anyways. It is well-known that mer reproduce at rates significantly lower than that of humans (although an exception to this general rule of thumb may be the Bosmer).

But I would love to see some Altmer or Dunmer children... or a little Khajiit kitten. That would be sooo cute!

Molydeus

There were child npcs in WoW. They even had an annual event involving kids where you temporarily adopted an orphan and let them travel the world with you. The orphan followed you around like a non-combat pet and had cool things to say about their surroundings. Nothing weird ever happened during these events, or with any of the static child npcs in the overworld. Not sure why ZOS thinks kids in this game would be a problem.

Ojustaboo

Zuboko wrote: »

But if they do add them in as killable (whether players kill them or not) then suddenly that would put the game as either adult only content or just outright banned, and at a bare minimum it would have various different activist groups up in arms creating a lot of bad press.

So to just leave them out does not break immersion and does not cause marketing problems.

Additionally they add very little other than atmosphere so what's the point if you are going to possibly face all of those problems.

This.

Personally I have no problem with children being in the game and killable, it's not real life, I wouldn't break into someones house or steal, and I wouldn't sneak up behind someone and kill them in real life, this is a game that bares zero resemblance to my real life morals. Me killing an adult or a child in a game is me killing pixels, at no point do I think I'm really killing someone.

But, as the above poster said, people are weird. I'm pretty sure Zenimax have no problem adding children, but they know the backlash from politically correct idiots around the world, so it's easier not to bother rather than risk jumped up headlines in certain newspapers etc calling for a boycott.

They could add a few unattackable ones in various towns, after all there's plenty of NPCs etc that cant be killed, but why bother, far more important things to do

Sausage

That would be one way to improve the Journey and the game itself, if there was childrens, lovers, homeless, lovers, plaqued, injured etc. I personally think they should do it, better the Journey, longer the players play, more cash you get etc. It would put the immersion to totally new heights.

Cities should be full of happiness, like lovers and families and childrens, then the country side should be alot more poorer and depressed, out of luck so to speak.

Malamar1229

all the kids are in Cyrodiil

Sausage

Sausage wrote: »

That would be one way to improve the Journey and the game itself, if there was childrens, lovers, homeless, lovers, plaqued, injured etc. I personally think they should do it, better the Journey, longer the players play, more cash you get etc. It would put the immersion to totally new heights.

Cities should be full of happiness, like lovers and families and childrens, then the country side should be alot more poorer and depressed, out of luck so to speak.

Im adding Prostitutes and Drunks too.

TheShadowScout

Sausage wrote: »

Im adding Prostitutes and Drunks too.

Both already in the game.
From Nightflowers in the Ebon Flask to Naked Nords or Barefeet Bretons...

JolaRossa

For the immersion breaking argument, I actually find it rather immersion breaking when I walk into a human village and there are no children. Also Argonian are always talking about eggs and families, I'd expect to see little argonians scuttling around... To me it would be infinitely more immersive to have unkillable children.
(I can live with the situation as is, but it does get at me sometimes)

Myrrah

zaria wrote: »

Dropped because too much other to add.
Possible issues with the justice system if planned back then.
Various toys in treasures you steal.
An Khajiit kitten with an chase tail idle had been something

i thought it might be to do with moral issues regarding the justice system. but all they'd have to do is make them un-killable. it's a weird place without kids. they should fix it

david1mchughb14_ESO

Mai'q wonders this too.

Seraphayel

Myrrah wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Dropped because too much other to add.
Possible issues with the justice system if planned back then.
Various toys in treasures you steal.
An Khajiit kitten with an chase tail idle had been something

i thought it might be to do with moral issues regarding the justice system. but all they'd have to do is make them un-killable. it's a weird place without kids. they should fix it

I mean there are other games with children and an PvP system. I don't know how it is in WoW, there you can kill NPCs if you activate PvP, don't know if you can kill children at all.

Make them immune to damage and that's it. That no child is existing in ESO is really weird.

FriedEggSandwich

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

children don't exist nor are there any indicators that they ever existed. Nobody is talking about them, there are no stories about children, no toys, no “kids stuff“, nothing.

Good! and i hope we Never see them in eso!
i hated seeing them in skyrim.

I agree with you! omg

cpuScientist

Because Tamriel used to have a Subway.... and they were never seen again

Runs

We may think we are all individuals adventuring throughout Tamriel, but really we are constructs of Cadwells mind as he/we/I slowly go insane. Children being absent may be one of the small clues we give ourselves to help figure out that this isn't real. After completing the Endless War quest if you talk to Cadwell he mentions having always wanted to play the game, but now he doesn't need to. I believe he doesn't need to because he/we/I just did.

AlienSlof

The daedra eat them.

Avidspark

Betheny wrote: »

Have you ever tried to take your underpants off in this game? That's why.

That is exactly why.

idk

Another thread about why no children in ESO.

Children are not needed.

The_4O4

They're all living in Blacklight