what is considered "Good" DPS on the Robust [6 million HP] test dummy ?

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  • Voxicity
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    Masel92 wrote: »

    Little high dont you think? 40k by yourself is more on the range of impossible to awesome. Haven't seen a magicka toon pulling that off without buffs except the newly excelling pet sorcs... And let's be honest, stamina is not important this patch :D

    Well ''good'' is quite a subjective term. This is my interpretation of what ''good'' is.
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    Edited by reesenorman on February 18, 2017 1:34PM
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    Not interested in getting into a pissing contest, but our guild puts up competitive weekly leaderboard scores all the time and have held the top VMOL score for a period of time as well. We were also, to my knowledge, the first single faction clear of VMOL HM on PC/NA. Define competitive?

    Okay so first of all, I can think of only one decent guild that really cares about weekly leaderboards. I did find that you were 1st on the patch before One Tamriel and I applaud you for that, but times have changed and that was like longer than what 4 months ago?

    I sound incredibly arrogant but in reality you aren't on the same level as Mechanically Challenged, Order of Mundus, Epic Synergy or No Brakes, that's just my opinion. If you say you are competitive because you got the first single faction clear of vMOL HM on PC/NA then I cant help you, that doesnt even cross anyones mind as a competitive feat.

    Your highest scores on 1T patch:
    vAA: 93553 (60th PC NA)
    vHRC: 97121 (67th PC NA)
    vSO: 132954 (45th PC NA)
    vMOL: 123847(8th PC NA) - Not bad

    Competitive to me isn't about who can clear a piece of content with everyone from the same faction, it's about getting the highest scores possible on trials. Clearly you are interested in a pissing contest otherwise you wouldn't of bragged about your accomplishments and given me something to feed off. Now let me link this to my guild so I can get everyone to give it an awesome hue hue.

    @hedna123b14_ESO @IronCrystal
    Well, we were talking at that time about VMOL bosses. DPS on VAA bosses and VMOL bosses arent even close to the same thing. VAA is essentially all stack and burn save the first boss where you have to follow a bit of mechanics. You can pull damn near 50k just channeling a lightning attack on the second boss, and 50K is very doable on the last two. They might as well be test dummies with a few adds to buff your parse. VMOL is very different. He was taking a shot at my guild because I suggested that 50K on VMOL bosses is not the norm even for the vast majority of competitive groups. Are there guilds that do have that kind of DPS across the board? Yes, but you can count them on one hand.

    Fun With Math:

    Alcast recently posted a Templar parse on the first VMOL boss where he pulled 64.1k DPS (which is damn impressive). Pretty safe to say that they are close to the top of the food chain. His single target DPS in that fight was 47k. His group total DPS 427K. Subtract his 64.1k and 5k each for tanks and healers (pretty conservative, as I am guessing the off tank is doing a fair amount on this fight, and if the healers are running lightning wall its even more conservative) and you are left with 48.9k Total DPS on average per player for the other 7 DPS in arguably the best guild on the planet, and even less in terms of single target damage. This is also certainly the highest parsing fight in this trial. So I stand by what I said, 50k is not the norm even in the best groups.

    Also, for what its worth, I saw a Guildie hit 57K on that fight.

    Here is the video, you can see the combat metrics data at the end of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9pWJgrGkwg

    Don't assume that because your group is incapable of pulling 50K, all others aren't.

    I can link a few fight parses from last night just to prove my point;

    Twins:
    http://i.imgur.com/o3qZDyd.png
    http://i.imgur.com/8Z1Y9f4.jpg
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/281987144958869504/Screenshot_20170216_202840.png
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/282039919021654016/Elder_Scrolls_Online_02.17.2017_-_00.44.04.04.png

    Rakkat HM:
    http://i.imgur.com/PE2qooE.png (Don't have any combat metrics parses, that's all I can find right now)


    You said it yourself, there are guilds that can do it, they are just a minority.That's what competitive guilds are, they are the better 0.0001% of the games population who min/max the *** out of every single fight. Saying you are competitive because you post "good" weeklys, you were the first same faction group to clear vMOL HM (PCNA) and that you had a #1 score 4 months ago is ludicrous.

    Edited by reesenorman on February 18, 2017 3:21PM
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    Okay so first of all, I can think of only one decent guild that really cares about weekly leaderboards. I did find that you were 1st on the patch before One Tamriel and I applaud you for that, but times have changed and that was like longer than what 4 months ago?

    I sound incredibly arrogant but in reality you aren't on the same level as Mechanically Challenged, Order of Mundus, Epic Synergy or No Brakes, that's just my opinion. If you say you are competitive because you got the first single faction clear of vMOL HM on PC/NA then I cant help you, that doesnt even cross anyones mind as a competitive feat.

    Your highest scores on 1T patch:
    vAA: 93553 (60th PC NA)
    vHRC: 97121 (67th PC NA)
    vSO: 132954 (45th PC NA)
    vMOL: 123847(8th PC NA) - Not bad

    Competitive to me isn't about who can clear a piece of content with everyone from the same faction, it's about getting the highest scores possible on trials. Clearly you are interested in a pissing contest otherwise you wouldn't of bragged about your accomplishments and given me something to feed off. Now let me link this to my guild so I can get everyone to give it an awesome hue hue.

    Don't assume that because your group is incapable of pulling 50K, all others aren't.

    I can link a few fight parses from last night just to prove my point;

    Twins:
    http://i.imgur.com/o3qZDyd.png
    http://i.imgur.com/8Z1Y9f4.jpg
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/281987144958869504/Screenshot_20170216_202840.png
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/282039919021654016/Elder_Scrolls_Online_02.17.2017_-_00.44.04.04.png

    Rakkat HM:
    http://i.imgur.com/PE2qooE.png (Don't have any combat metrics parses, that's all I can find right now)


    You said it yourself, there are guilds that can do it, they are just a minority.That's what competitive guilds are, they are the better 0.0001% of the games population who min/max the *** out of every single fight. Saying you are competitive because you post "good" weeklys, you were the first same faction group to clear vMOL HM (PCNA) and that you had a #1 score 4 months ago is ludicrous.
    Wow PC NA sounds toxic asf!

    I didn't see anything unreasonable from his post.

    You just looked up the poor dude in-game and post all of his trial scores on the Forums, then proceeded to praise your own scores and DPS parses including some vids of yourself to show off :lol:

    Did he not complete the infamous vMoL HM and get a 120K score in vMoL as well.... like what do people have to do to be considered competitive whilst avoiding the ego-fulfilling drama of endgame in ESO?
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    Wow PC NA sounds toxic asf!

    I didn't see anything unreasonable from his post.

    You just looked up the poor dude in-game and post all of his trial scores on the Forums, then proceeded to praise your own scores and DPS parses including some vids of yourself to show off :lol:

    Did he not complete the infamous vMoL HM and get a 120K score in vMoL as well.... like what do people have to do to be considered competitive whilst avoiding the ego-fulfilling drama of endgame in ESO?

    Yup.

    . Sprinter to trainer : - "What's the 100m time for reaching national championship ?"
    . Usain Bolt : - "Don't even call yourself a sprinter if you're above 9''80''' !!!"
    (Justin Gatlin turns up and starts arguing with Bolt about equipment and weather conditions for such a time).
    Meanwhile, the original sprinter still gets no answer to his question.

    TL/DR : excellent top players, we know you're excellent, we know you're top, but it would be great if you would stop interfering in other people's conversations all the time. People competing at a lower level as compared to you are still competitors and are still good.

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on February 19, 2017 12:38PM
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    Funniest thing is, half of these "best" players was babysitted, teached, carried multiple dozens of times by the "mediocre" or "ex-good" players.

    I don't care how you call yourself as long as you don't touch me, because for most of you i am a god... Without enthusiasts like us that suffered all that endless training runs you wouldn't be there. And yes, i lost some shape in "dps", but because i lost my interest (partially your fault aswell).

    Keep this^ in your little mind before posting such nonsence.
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  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    Wow PC NA sounds toxic asf!

    I didn't see anything unreasonable from his post.

    You just looked up the poor dude in-game and post all of his trial scores on the Forums, then proceeded to praise your own scores and DPS parses including some vids of yourself to show off :lol:

    Did he not complete the infamous vMoL HM and get a 120K score in vMoL as well.... like what do people have to do to be considered competitive whilst avoiding the ego-fulfilling drama of endgame in ESO?

    Please dont think of someone with an inferiority complex as reflective of all of PC NA...we have plenty of good players that respect each other and understand that it takes a lot more than high dps to be considered a good player.
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    Okay so first of all, I can think of only one decent guild that really cares about weekly leaderboards. I did find that you were 1st on the patch before One Tamriel and I applaud you for that, but times have changed and that was like longer than what 4 months ago?

    I sound incredibly arrogant but in reality you aren't on the same level as Mechanically Challenged, Order of Mundus, Epic Synergy or No Brakes, that's just my opinion. If you say you are competitive because you got the first single faction clear of vMOL HM on PC/NA then I cant help you, that doesnt even cross anyones mind as a competitive feat.

    Your highest scores on 1T patch:
    vAA: 93553 (60th PC NA)
    vHRC: 97121 (67th PC NA)
    vSO: 132954 (45th PC NA)
    vMOL: 123847(8th PC NA) - Not bad

    Competitive to me isn't about who can clear a piece of content with everyone from the same faction, it's about getting the highest scores possible on trials. Clearly you are interested in a pissing contest otherwise you wouldn't of bragged about your accomplishments and given me something to feed off. Now let me link this to my guild so I can get everyone to give it an awesome hue hue.

    Don't assume that because your group is incapable of pulling 50K, all others aren't.

    I can link a few fight parses from last night just to prove my point;

    Twins:
    http://i.imgur.com/o3qZDyd.png
    http://i.imgur.com/8Z1Y9f4.jpg
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/281987144958869504/Screenshot_20170216_202840.png
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/282039919021654016/Elder_Scrolls_Online_02.17.2017_-_00.44.04.04.png

    Rakkat HM:
    http://i.imgur.com/PE2qooE.png (Don't have any combat metrics parses, that's all I can find right now)


    You said it yourself, there are guilds that can do it, they are just a minority.That's what competitive guilds are, they are the better 0.0001% of the games population who min/max the *** out of every single fight. Saying you are competitive because you post "good" weeklys, you were the first same faction group to clear vMOL HM (PCNA) and that you had a #1 score 4 months ago is ludicrous.

    Skinrai and Vashai (57kk HP) in 166s?
    That's not even 43k boss dps on average (8 DD).
    L2P?
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    Wow @reesenorman all your parses posted range around 42-45k single target and you call yourself a 50k DD.. ROFL.. Cleave damage doesn't count, if it does then everyone is a 50k DD.. Hit 50k single target consistently and then call yourself a 50k DD.. Till then I would suggest not to make outrageous claims and L2P maybe..
    Edited by rustic_potato on February 20, 2017 1:47AM
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    @reesenorman

    Obviously, I am a scrub and need to learn to play. Also, I havent cleared any trial other than VMOL outside of a half assed weekly leader board run in months, as we have been working on hardmode. Since homestead, I have frankly been working on other things. I am quite aware that we are all getting a big DPS boost, we always do. Certainly that has not been fully realized by anyone as of yet.

    Also, very nice parses. I mean that and know people in your raid. There is some big DPS there. And I'll say the same thing I said before. Yes 50k is very possible, heck 60K is possible on a lot of these fights. Most good raids, ours included, have people pulling in the 50s. But it is not the norm or average. Is it closer this patch? Absolutely. Everyone got a DPS boost. You have less than 50K DPS on average per person if you are pulling group DPS less than about 420k. Tanks and Healers (especially now that healers run light blockade) are pulling 5k DPS a piece. Even if 50k is average on paper, for every person you have pulling 55, you have someone else pulling 45k. Most Raid DPS has a distribution, even among the best guilds. You are going to have a few people pulling big numbers, a few in the middle and a few at the bottom.

    Also consider, maybe you arent competitive? Non of those group DPS totals are as high as hodor last patch before the increase, and the math comes to the same thing. There is always a bigger fish. Maybe we are just arguing over semantics, maybe you are just not a very nice person.

    Lastly, this is a post about what is good DPS on a target dummy from someone, I am assuming, that is not on the cutting edge of things. As usual, I am just trying to be helpful and give some basic guidelines for people. Then, from out of nowhere, some clown takes a shot at my guild. So yeah, I am gonna be defensive.

    Edit: If being competitive means I need to put up with this kind of drama, then I am just fine being a casual pug with my Flawless and Dro-m'Athra Destroyer titles. Now to get back to decorating my house...
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 20, 2017 7:26PM
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    @reesenorman

    Obviously, I am a scrub and need to learn to play. Also, I havent cleared any trial other than VMOL outside of a half assed weekly leader board run in months, as we have been working on hardmode. Since homestead, I have frankly been working on other things. I am quite aware that we are all getting a big DPS boost, we always do. Certainly that has not been fully realized by anyone as of yet.

    Also, very nice parses. I mean that and know people in your raid. There is some big DPS there. And I'll say the same thing I said before. Yes 50k is very possible, heck 60K is possible on a lot of these fights. Most good raids, ours included, have people pulling in the 50s. But it is not the norm or average. Is it closer this patch? Absolutely. Everyone got a DPS boost. You have less than 50K DPS on average per person if you are pulling group DPS less than about 420k. Tanks and Healers (especially now that healers run light blockade) are pulling 5k DPS a piece. Even if 50k is average on paper, for every person you have pulling 55, you have someone else pulling 45k. Most Raid DPS has a distribution, even among the best guilds. You are going to have a few people pulling big numbers, a few in the middle and a few at the bottom.

    Also consider, maybe you arent competitive? Non of those group DPS totals are as high as hodor last patch before the increase, and the math comes to the same thing. There is always a bigger fish. Maybe we are just arguing over semantics, maybe you are just not a very nice person.

    Lastly, this is a post about what is good DPS on a target dummy from someone, I am assuming, that is not on the cutting edge of things. As usual, I am just trying to be helpful and give some basic guidelines for people. Then, from out of nowhere, some clown takes a shot at my guild. So yeah, I am gonna be defensive.

    Edit: If being competitive means I need to put up with this kind of drama, then I am just fine being a casual pug with my Flawless and Dro-m'Athra Destroyer titles. Now to get back to decorating my house...

    My man! Much love and respect!
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Would you "top guys" be kind enough to leave your "epeen-issues", "45K vs. 51K issues" at the door, and answer the OP's question ?

    Thank you.

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    Would you "top guys" be kind enough to leave your "epeen-issues", "45K vs. 51K issues" at the door, and answer the OP's question ?

    Thank you.

    In my defense, I tried to do just that in the first place...
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    if you aare getting 50,000 dps your a magicka class. like sorcerer or dragonight or a templar.
    stamina nightblade will never reach that, and thats just wrong!
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    STEVIL wrote: »
    if the skeleton kills you, your dps is too low.
    Literally the GREATEST comment ever!
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  • Raghul
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    here is my dps parse with sorc pet build, 40k, could have had higher as i ran out of magicka last couple of seconds, no raid buffs were given only drain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZOZbIMXwuA&t=102s

    here is my dps parse using standard BSW setup on magsorc, solo, my applying drain myself, so bit of downtime where i could not use damage ability instead, 36k dps

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9F7ZEVBx4g
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  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    Raghul wrote: »
    here is my dps parse with sorc pet build, 40k, could have had higher as i ran out of magicka last couple of seconds, no raid buffs were given only drain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZOZbIMXwuA&t=102s

    here is my dps parse using standard BSW setup on magsorc, solo, my applying drain myself, so bit of downtime where i could not use damage ability instead, 36k dps

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9F7ZEVBx4g

    For *** and giggle I took a pet sorc into vMoL...Was hilarrious...the scamp would not target Zhalhassa..he would just stand there and chill obserrving the fight from the sidelines.
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    @Raghul Nice vids. I actually found in my own dps testing that the Matriarch actually nets more overall dps when using Daedric Prey than Bound Aegis. It seems odd, but I've done a bunch of tests and the Zap is actually very powerful, like 10% of the dps parse sometimes. So while you'll get bigger numbers on your other skills, you actually lose a little not having the Twilight there. I keep the Matriarch for self healing as I do a lot of soloing, but using the Tormentor would net you even more dps.
    Edited by dpencil on February 23, 2017 6:58PM
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    For *** and giggle I took a pet sorc into vMoL...Was hilarrious...the scamp would not target Zhalhassa..he would just stand there and chill obserrving the fight from the sidelines.

    perhaps it bugged or the pet had to be commanded through keybinding to attack the boss :p

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  • Izaki
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    if you aare getting 50,000 dps your a magicka class. like sorcerer or dragonight or a templar.
    stamina nightblade will never reach that, and thats just wrong!

    You can get 50k DPS on any class. Except stamina templar maybe. But on stamina NB its very much posible.
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  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    Raghul wrote: »

    perhaps it bugged or the pet had to be commanded through keybinding to attack the boss :p

    Nope it cant attack boss at all
  • peniku8
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    I personally think that you can only reach 50k on a mag sorc with unusual raid buffs.
    I managed to get 47k single target dps on Valariel but I had to focus two adds, without these I might have reached 48k but the buffs were close to perfect. 50k would only be possible with a high Powerful Assault uptime which isn't the norm.

    Can anyone tell me how this discussion ended in a battle who is in the best guild :D
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  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    Hardcore PVPers arguing: Trade a few insults, make jokes about each other's mothers, say something about Zerging, tea bag each other in Cyrodiil

    Hardcore PVEers arguing: 14,000 word manifestos with visual evidence arrogantly dismissing other top level players as beginners in need of parenting advice.
  • darthsithis
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    Ok so anyways, I- with no buffs besides ele drain- did the 6 mil on my magsorc in 4:59 with <30k.

    Why is it low? Running bis, perfect rotation and cancelling...no ping no resource issues. My best was 28k dps. I've done vmol up to the last boss and am a flawless conqueror- I can melt stuff but why don't my numbers look like yalls? I mean 50k by Azura that's like Magnus controlled you
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  • darthsithis
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    5bsw 3 infal 2 ilambris, maelstrom and random destro btw. I know my rotation, my frags hit for 35kish, and idk what I'm doing wrong. Magsorc should be up there I wanna fix the issue on the 6mil skeleton of harsh reality
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  • Orbital
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    this update 40k or your not getting an invite imo
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    its horrible for me to talk about trials and dps considering they are all broken on console, ty zos
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  • dpencil
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    @darthsithis You gotta give us more info if you want real troubleshooting, like a video or parse. I don't have a sharp Maelstrom or raid jewelry. Running Necro, Ilambris, Will, and using a heavy attack build with no fpulse of cfrag I get 31-33k. I find BSW with standard fpulse cfrag rotation difficult to maintain resource-wise by myself, but even in less than perfect gear I can still get 40k until my magic runs out.
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    Ok I will send a video- 6 million skeleton with no raid buffs or debuffs?
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  • darthsithis
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    And wait you just stop when your magicka runs out? I try to pace myself. I'm sure I could do crazy burst and then stop if it lets you do that...

    But I need necro and stuff I guess gonna post vids later
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