what is considered "Good" DPS on the Robust [6 million HP] test dummy ?

Gilvoth

i hope some one can tell us what should be the goal for Good DPS on the 6 million test dummy and also the 3 million DPS dummy, this way we can know where we all stand. and where improvements should be made.
and how long should it take to kill them each ?

6 million:

3 million:

LadyLavina

Good dps? 20394820394283409k dps

Possible + good dps? Idk maybe like 25k-35k

that'd be like trial grade deeps

Gilvoth

and also, how long should it take to kill it ?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i hope some one can tell us what should be the goal for Good DPS on the 6 million test dummy and also the 3 million DPS dummy, this way we can knmow where we all stand. and where improvements should be made.

You need to set some parameters for a question like that. Are you getting full raid buffs? Are you completely alone? Somewhere in the middle like ele drain?

Honestly if you are pulling 25-30k with no help, you are doing pretty good. I dont think I could sustain that in any event. We have been doing most testing with just putting Ele-Drain on the target. This is reasonable as it gives major breach and sustain. Pretty much any fight in the game you should have both. I think 35k+ is doing pretty solid on something like that. With full raid buffs, sky is the limit. I have seen 50k+.

bulbousb16_ESO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I have seen 50k+.

So, the question is, "what's good DPS"? And you said, you've seen 50k.

DPS.

Which works out to 3 million damage per minute.

Is that accurate?

Tryxus

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OldSmeller

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i hope some one can tell us what should be the goal for Good DPS on the 6 million test dummy and also the 3 million DPS dummy, this way we can know where we all stand. and where improvements should be made.
and how long should it take to kill them each ?

6 million:

3 million:

Impossible to objectively determine due to One Tamriel Scaling.

IronCrystal

As the other's said, it all depends on what buffs you have at your disposal.

A fully raid-buffed dps should be provided the following buffs:

Major Force + Warhorn stat buffs
Minor Vulnerability (IA for 100% uptime, but realistically 60% uptime from mag sorcs in a trial since healers don't use IA anymore)
Off balance from Lightning Blockade
Combat Prayer
Major Fracture or Major Breach depending on dps type (breach can be obtained from ele drain, or both of these can be done with puncture).
Worms buff if magicka based (sustain in long fights)
Magicka Steal on enemy if magicka based (also given by ele drain or radient aura)

I can't think of anymore buffs off the top of my head.

For a vet maw trial, with these buffs you should be pulling 35-40k minimum.

If you have no buffs on, you should be pulling 25k.

For craglorn trials, I would recommend about 25k buffed, maybe 20k unbuffed.

For vet dungeons, its a bit different because you aren't going to get very many of these buffs so maybe 18k unbuffed is enough.

bulbousb16_ESO

IronCrystal wrote: »

If you have no buffs on, you should be pulling 25k.

So, 1.5 million per minute, destroying the smaller target dummy in 2 minutes?

Nestor

Don't they both have the same Resistance?

I think the main difference is, your ability to sustain on the 3M vs 6M dummy.

I have also found that after about 20 seconds I am settled to the DPS I am going to get no matter how long I pound on it.

IronCrystal

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

If you have no buffs on, you should be pulling 25k.

So, 1.5 million per minute, destroying the smaller target dummy in 2 minutes?

Again, that is enough dps for the hardest content in the game, but yes the math works out to be about 2 minutes I believe.

Nestor wrote: »

Don't they both have the same Resistance?

I think the main difference is, your ability to sustain on the 3M vs 6M dummy.

I have also found that after about 20 seconds I am settled to the DPS I am going to get no matter how long I pound on it.

Not sure if it was fixed, but on launch day it was found that they actually had different resistances.

3 Million hp skeleton had 18.5k spell resist and 15,620 physical resist.

6 million hp skeleton had 18.2k of each.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I have seen 50k+.

So, the question is, "what's good DPS"? And you said, you've seen 50k.

DPS.

Which works out to 3 million damage per minute.

Is that accurate?

With full Raid buffs, 50K+ (one minute on a 3 million health dummy) is very possible, but you are going to need very high uptime on warhorn, combat prayer, spell power cure, major breach, alkosh, vulnerability, crusher glyph, etc. In other words, all the things a good raid group already gives you.

That is why I say you need to define your parameters of the the test. People often dont understand just how much DPS a good raid gives you. Take the same rotation of someone that pulls 50k in a full buff scenario, and he is probably pulling 30k by himself.

So again, we need to define the the parameters to answer what is good. I think testing without major breach (or fracture) is frankly stupid. You should always have that buff. Also, testing where you run out of resources is also not very effective.

What I like to do is have a healer wearing the worm set put elemental drain on the target. That way I have breach and know I wont run out of magic for a clean test. Under that scenario. I think anything over 35k is doing pretty darn good, and anything over 30k is acceptable for anything save VMOL HM.

Edit: For Stam toons, it probably makes sense to have a tank use pierce on the boss (major fracture), and maybe someone toss the occasional shard.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Nestor wrote: »

Don't they both have the same Resistance?

I think the main difference is, your ability to sustain on the 3M vs 6M dummy.

I have also found that after about 20 seconds I am settled to the DPS I am going to get no matter how long I pound on it.

I get what you mean, but I think its a bit longer than that for a true test. Theoretically you should get the same numbers on both dummies. I think if you want to see where you sustained DPS levels out, you need to look at what you at right before you are about to cast your second ultimate. DPS typically goes in a curve. It starts out high, as you typically ulti-bomb right out of the gate, then it steadily falls for a bit, then peaks again as you drop your second one and the cycle repeats. You also have to consider executes into that equation as some classes will see their DPS increase again at the end of the fight.

SirAndy

If you want to compare your characters DPS, i suggest you use numbers that only include self-buffs.
Just you and your trusted dummy ...

Otherwise, you'll get all sorts of deviations depending on the group buffs and you will always have to have other players around to buff you up while you're testing.

Also worth noting, that even solo dummy DPS numbers aren't really a measure of real world DPS since out there you also have to evade them red circles, block, interrupt, dodge and otherwise move about the mobs.

Most people epeening their DPS in these forums neglect to mention the group buffs that helped them achieve those numbers. I especially like those who post their weapon damage while crouching.

STEVIL

if the skeleton kills you, your dps is too low.

UrQuan

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I have seen 50k+.

So, the question is, "what's good DPS"? And you said, you've seen 50k.

DPS.

Which works out to 3 million damage per minute.

Is that accurate?

Well, according to someone in another thread, 39K DPS without any group buffs (which would get to about 50K DPS with group buffs) is "barely passable" so there's that...

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ

Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*

Of course, it would be pretty ridiculous to actually put any stock in that comment.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

STEVIL wrote: »

if the skeleton kills you, your dps is too low.

LMAO!

SirAndy wrote: »

If you want to compare your characters DPS, i suggest you use numbers that only include self-buffs.
Just you and your trusted dummy ...

Otherwise, you'll get all sorts of deviations depending on the group buffs and you will always have to have other players around to buff you up while you're testing.

Also worth noting, that even solo dummy DPS numbers aren't really a measure of real world DPS since out there you also have to evade them red circles, block, interrupt, dodge and otherwise move about the mobs.

Most people epeening their DPS in these forums neglect to mention the group buffs that helped them achieve those numbers. I especially like those who post their weapon damage while crouching.

My only push back on that is that most builds cant sustain by themselves for 3 million damage unless you are casting drain (or equivalent) yourself. As most endgame DPS builds dont really have the bar space and it would break your rotation, I think its a good idea to have one person give you a hand with drain. Raids absolutely differ in the amount of buffs you are getting, and you are certainly correct that the support you have is HUGE for DPS. That said, you should always have breach and a test where you run out of resources is not a great benchmark.

SirAndy

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My only push back on that is that most builds cant sustain by themselves for 3 million damage unless you are casting drain (or equivalent) yourself. As most endgame DPS builds dont really have the bar space and it would break your rotation, I think its a good idea to have one person give you a hand with drain. Raids absolutely differ in the amount of buffs you are getting, and you are certainly correct that the support you have is HUGE for DPS. That said, you should always have breach and a test where you run out of resources is not a great benchmark.

I agree to a point here but i would counter that i rarely run out of resources solo because i watch my bars and switch to include more heavy attacks if i'm running low or pop a potion if needed.

I recognize that i'm probably in the minority here, but i use the dummy primarily to optimize my *solo* rotation and if you're running out of resources while soloing a boss out in the real virtual world, you'll be dead quick and from my experience, your DPS will suffer quite a lot while dead.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

SirAndy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My only push back on that is that most builds cant sustain by themselves for 3 million damage unless you are casting drain (or equivalent) yourself. As most endgame DPS builds dont really have the bar space and it would break your rotation, I think its a good idea to have one person give you a hand with drain. Raids absolutely differ in the amount of buffs you are getting, and you are certainly correct that the support you have is HUGE for DPS. That said, you should always have breach and a test where you run out of resources is not a great benchmark.

I agree to a point here but i would counter that i rarely run out of resources solo because i watch my bars and switch to include more heavy attacks if i'm running low or pop a potion if needed.

I recognize that i'm probably in the minority here, but i use the dummy primarily to optimize my *solo* rotation and if you're running out of resources while soloing a boss out in the real virtual world, you'll be dead quick and from my experience, your DPS will suffer quite a lot while dead.

Absolutely a fair point. Also, most of us dont solo stuff quite as well as you do. Haha. You definitely want to practice for what you plan to perform. If you are building for 4 man stuff or trials, I think it is safe to count on breach and magika steal.

UrQuan wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I have seen 50k+.

So, the question is, "what's good DPS"? And you said, you've seen 50k.

DPS.

Which works out to 3 million damage per minute.

Is that accurate?

Well, according to someone in another thread, 39K DPS without any group buffs (which would get to about 50K DPS with group buffs) is "barely passable" so there's that...

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ

Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*

Of course, it would be pretty ridiculous to actually put any stock in that comment.

Well, people are idiots and always exaggerate their DPS on the forums. I have cleared VMOL HM and have never personally hit 50k on any VMOL trial bosses (47k is my highest). I think I do just fine. I have seen 50k on all of them, but people acting like that is the norm are frankly kidding themselves. To get those types of numbers, you generally need to have the stars align for the perfect fight: no curses, no colorswaps, no back room, etc. All of these fights we are talking about are NOT single target anyway. They have tons of adds. There are very few people in Tamriel hitting 50k sustained DPS on pure single target. Can it be done? Absolutely, but is not the norm even in competitive guilds.

Dragonnord

It also depends on the class. Are you easy mode class or hard mode class?

And what's your ping? 70? 100? 250? +300?

It depends on many factors.

t3hdubzy

All i know is if a guild ask for dps 10 times with no response they will take my pvp gankblade instead of waiting another hour with no response.... rofl

KingYogi415

3,000,000 divided by 90 = 33.33 k dps

most end-game guilds have this as a basic cutoff.

Do more math for more answers.

Cheers!

Masel

I'm at 35k on the toon I play atm (no use in trying stamina toons right now..) by myself without drain etc and tbh, I've never had any issues with that. I'd say 30k is the cutoff to good dps without any buffs, but you're good to go if you do at least 25k by yourself in most cases. Anyone telling you you need more than 30k dps by yourself to be worth joining a raid is an idiot... Anything besides maybe vMoL HM and AA/ HRC HM can be done with that.

DPS-dummies are awesome because they allow everyone to practice their rotation, so it should lead to an overall dps-increase in the long run.

Most builds can't sustain by themselves, so as some others mentioned, ele drain is mostly accepted as a buff for tests.

William_21

6m unbuffed I'd say 25k+ unbuffed like others suggested.
On my khajiit stam DK I was pulling 33k unbuffed on 3m dummy (no major fracture debuff too) but I was this close to run out of stamina.
Sustain is really hell on khajiit.

jpeter88

most trial groups require

magicka 90 sec on 3mil health

stam 80 second on 3 mil health

using only ele drain as a buff

makeumrage

jpeter88 wrote: »

most trial groups require

magicka 90 sec on 3mil health

stam 80 second on 3 mil health

using only ele drain as a buff

This ^ but id like to add that in my experience, pierce/ransack has been allowed instead for stam chars... if people even bother letting stam sit with them...

OrphanHelgen

Depends if you are magicka or stamina, and what you concider good dps.
If you want to be the at the top of dps, I think 37k minimum for all classes with only major fracture / breach and sustain support if you are cp capped and best in slot geared. I personal have done 40,8k on robust skeleton alone self buffed, but I have a build highly focused on single target. I usually see people around 36-39k dps.

The 3 mill are for healers and tanks testing their heavy attacks.

reesenorman

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My only push back on that is that most builds cant sustain by themselves for 3 million damage unless you are casting drain (or equivalent) yourself. As most endgame DPS builds dont really have the bar space and it would break your rotation, I think its a good idea to have one person give you a hand with drain. Raids absolutely differ in the amount of buffs you are getting, and you are certainly correct that the support you have is HUGE for DPS. That said, you should always have breach and a test where you run out of resources is not a great benchmark.

I agree to a point here but i would counter that i rarely run out of resources solo because i watch my bars and switch to include more heavy attacks if i'm running low or pop a potion if needed.

I recognize that i'm probably in the minority here, but i use the dummy primarily to optimize my *solo* rotation and if you're running out of resources while soloing a boss out in the real virtual world, you'll be dead quick and from my experience, your DPS will suffer quite a lot while dead.

Absolutely a fair point. Also, most of us dont solo stuff quite as well as you do. Haha. You definitely want to practice for what you plan to perform. If you are building for 4 man stuff or trials, I think it is safe to count on breach and magika steal.

UrQuan wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I have seen 50k+.

So, the question is, "what's good DPS"? And you said, you've seen 50k.

DPS.

Which works out to 3 million damage per minute.

Is that accurate?

Well, according to someone in another thread, 39K DPS without any group buffs (which would get to about 50K DPS with group buffs) is "barely passable" so there's that...

masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ

Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*

Of course, it would be pretty ridiculous to actually put any stock in that comment.

Well, people are idiots and always exaggerate their DPS on the forums. I have cleared VMOL HM and have never personally hit 50k on any VMOL trial bosses (47k is my highest). I think I do just fine. I have seen 50k on all of them, but people acting like that is the norm are frankly kidding themselves. To get those types of numbers, you generally need to have the stars align for the perfect fight: no curses, no colorswaps, no back room, etc. All of these fights we are talking about are NOT single target anyway. They have tons of adds. There are very few people in Tamriel hitting 50k sustained DPS on pure single target. Can it be done? Absolutely, but is not the norm even in competitive guilds.

If 50ks not the norm you aren't a competitive guild.

dpencil

For me, good is 32k for infinite sustain build. 40k for as long as magic lasts using standard raid build. Self buffs only.

kargen27

I went and played with the dummies for a while with my Templar healer. I was doing 16K steady on both and never got below 50% Magicka.

I would like to get it up to between 20K and 21K without redoing CPs. I keep messing up my rotation so I think I should be able to get there if I keep practicing the rotation. I am giving it a go on my own.

They should have a few dummies that just stand in lava so I can practice healing rotations. Working in the magic balls for the tank sometimes throws me off keeping everything up.

LordTareq

I do about 5k dps. Stamina nightblade in heavy armor with sword and shield. Nerf heavy armor lol