Will ZOS Change Their Mind and Give Class Change?

TheShadowScout

Turelus wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Well that's just boring, live a little a make a choice! Red vs Blue, Yes vs No, none of this middle ground!

...you -did- check my signature, did you not? it explains this...

"True understanding can be found only in the Shadow between Light and Dark..."

okay you win.

Yay! Victory Dance Time!

Gedalya

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Yes; it is a profitable option for them given how many want it. Are there complications involved? Yes, but I think player's that want this are willing to work with what ever complications occur and ZOS will be content with that.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

ZOS will probably add a class change token. We only don't know when.

The won't add it currently because they want players to play and grind. And They also want us to start to play this game again.. and again.. to have all character slots occupied so we will have to buy new character slots. But it will end at some point. How many characters per account can we have ? There is a limit somewhere. The servers need to store this formation somewhere...

In some time in the future the will add this "class change" token. And probably charge extra for it.

Soraka

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

I doubt they will. I love alts, but personally don't find this game to be all that alt friendly. Yes it's super easy to level up. I usually level a new character, look at all the things I have to redo from there and say, "nope!".

I suspect changing class is a lot more complicated than changing race, which we now have. I don't particularly care one way or the other if they do add it. I probably wouldn't buy it, though.

I know this is an area that people don't tend to agree on, but maybe there will be a middle line and make the game a little more friendly in terms of the more grindy aspects being account-wide.

Thealteregoroman

Enodoc wrote: »

BloodWolfe wrote: »

To allow a class change and especially to a brand new class that would give someone that class max level on day 1 is just plain stupid and will NEVER happen! Even if they did a 6 month delay before allowing it after a new class is released I still hope never gets implemented!

This is an MMO, make a new char and enjoy the game. If you're too lazy then don't and just keep playing your main but classes changes are a ridiculous idea and will never happen!

Why does everyone keep assuming that a class change would result in a maxed class? A logical class change would give you the new class with no progress, and I haven't yet seen anyone say why that would be a bad idea.

Thank god somebody sees through the bull****.

lucky_Sage

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

NMT wrote: »

I honestly think ZOS will add class change tokens if there money to be made....and there is.

Also, I don't understand how someone who wants to buy class change couls have an effect on someone who doesn't....so why not let them make the money.

@NMT

add class change is bad idea. every mmo that has it everyone plays FOTM yes people already do that but it would be worse. combat would get repetitive. everyone would be play the same.
I would quit the game so fast if they said they are adding it

I use to want but when I actually thought about it I changed my mind

Browiseth

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

xskinzcity wrote: »

People need to stop being lazy and make a new character.

people need to stop having options

people need to follow my contrived ideas of what is "not-lazy"

NoFlash

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Cously wrote: »

From a business perspective it makes all sense. The fact they didn't release the Cavern and Island means they WANT people to burn crowns desperately. The fact they put crown crates means they want us to spend as much money in the cash shop as possible. The fact there are already race, appearance and name change tokens hints at other class and alliance based tokens. Make it like 10,000 Crowns to change Class or Alliance, put a 1-3 month cooldown and be done with it. They will make so much money!

For the anti crowd, how I spec my character is NOT your business. Also the usual argument of "you should have picked your race and class correctly before and done research bla bla bla" would be only valid if ZOS didn't turn the classes upside down every 6 months. And ZOS, I will not pay crown riding lessons as alts are not my thing, you would have my money on a class change token for Warden though, want to take it?

This.

Edit. If I want to main Warden or any other class. Why should I have to train my mount back to 180, finish all of Cadwells zones, collect/earn 300+ skill points, or learn all traits and styles again? This is why people want class change. Not for fotm pvp bs.

RebornV3x

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

It will happen eventually I'm actually surprised that it's not a thing since we already have name and appearance changes and ZOS has a cash shop and a class change would seem like easy money

CromulentForumID

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

This is a topic that will never be settled, along with account-level achievements.

Some players treat it like an RPG - your character is the one doing things, so that character should not fundamentally change what they are, and that character is the one that should get credit for the achievement.

Some players aren't really all about the RPG, and feel like the game should track what they did as a player. The character in this case is not the important factor, so it can fundamentally change.

And I think there are others who players the single-player Elder Scrolls games, where one character did everything under the sun, and they expect the MMO version to allow the same thing.

I am not sure anyone is right or wrong, but I don't think a game design can accommodate both perspectives at the same time.

So you get lots and lots of threads like this

KerinKor

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

As per the thread title, with the already long request for it and now with the Warden announcement and the additional flood of requests for a class change token, do you think ZOS will change their stance and allow this?

This isn't a poll to say if you want them, it's a poll to see if you think ZOS will.

This is exactly why this game is getting un fun and the community is a constant churn base of people who dont even like MMO's but like single player RPG's. I just wish Matt would show some cajones and make an MMO not a cash shop game.

Frankly it's like that I would argue because the majority of the millions of TES fans who've played the series since Daggerfall or later (Arena of course was always a niche game) didn't want TES 6 (sort of) to be an MMO but were begging for something post-Skyrim, hence they play ESO for want of the real TES 6 we likely will never see. If that's the case then there's no surprise that the majority playing don't have much interest in the 'MMO' aspects of the game except when they want a minor distraction from the real game (as they see it).

For those that really enjoy the 'MMO' side of MMOs then there are other far superior games than ESO for a 1990s group--or-die experience, FFXIV being one and of course WOW (for all its faults) still have far more extensive group content than ESO.

Cadbury

Turelus wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Will ZOS Change Their Mind and Give Class Change?

Maybe.
Maybe not.

That will be entirely their decision.
There are good arguments for it, and just as good arguments against it.
With them adding a new class, and some of the old hands here already having made and levelled a dozend characters... it would make sense.
Of course, a great many people are opposed to seeing it happen, and more people still have ample character slots left...

So we just will have to wait and see.

Well that's just boring, live a little a make a choice! Red vs Blue, Yes vs No, none of this middle ground!

I choose both and neither

AdamBourke

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

I think that they can make money from them, and so they will sell them.

Jaeysa

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

More of a hope rather than a certainty - as someone who plays wow, I absolutely hate it when I get slotted into a pug with someone who's fresh 100 because of the boost token. 75% of the time they don't know what they're doing and it effects everyone else.

All that being said, I would love it if they would make skyshards account bound.

GreenSoup2HoT

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

@Enodoc

Why not? Well first off you can't be handed a new class and expect to be given a maxed out character. Second there is something called progression. Third there is also a new way to experience the game considering you can start your new character in Morrowwind. Also its not hard to grind 50 levels and be max champion rank (if your already there).

Enodoc

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Enodoc
Why not? Well first off you can't be handed a new class and expect to be given a maxed out character. Second there is something called progression. Third there is also a new way to experience the game considering you can start your new character in Morrowwind. Also its not hard to grind 50 levels and be max champion rank (if your already there).

@GreenSoup2HoT I don't expect to be given a maxed out character. I expect to use the hypothetical "Class Change Token" and be given an empty set of class skills to be levelled up from 0. That's your progression right there. There being a new way to experience the game is not really relevant, as you can start a new character for that experience. This is about using your existing character. Levelling to 50 might be easy, but that's only a very minor part of progression. What about all the quest progress, crafting research, weapon and armour skills, etc? They're completely unrelated to class but starting a new character would mean you had to do all of these again.

Wifeaggro13

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

KerinKor wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

As per the thread title, with the already long request for it and now with the Warden announcement and the additional flood of requests for a class change token, do you think ZOS will change their stance and allow this?

This isn't a poll to say if you want them, it's a poll to see if you think ZOS will.

This is exactly why this game is getting un fun and the community is a constant churn base of people who dont even like MMO's but like single player RPG's. I just wish Matt would show some cajones and make an MMO not a cash shop game.

Frankly it's like that I would argue because the majority of the millions of TES fans who've played the series since Daggerfall or later (Arena of course was always a niche game) didn't want TES 6 (sort of) to be an MMO but were begging for something post-Skyrim, hence they play ESO for want of the real TES 6 we likely will never see. If that's the case then there's no surprise that the majority playing don't have much interest in the 'MMO' aspects of the game except when they want a minor distraction from the real game (as they see it).

For those that really enjoy the 'MMO' side of MMOs then there are other far superior games than ESO for a 1990s group--or-die experience, FFXIV being one and of course WOW (for all its faults) still have far more extensive group content than ESO.

Nah i am just asking for what tiny minuscule group content there is to have some at least some appeal , the current game design does not have longevity. you might think it will last years but it wont.

Skraticus

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Nah i am just asking for what tiny minuscule group content there is to have some at least some appeal , the current game design does not have longevity. you might think it will last years but it wont.

I'm amazed the game has lasted as long as it has, and what amazes me even more is the fanboism hive mind over at reddit. Obviously the game couldn't just be "multiplayer elder scrolls", they had to set some limitations somewhere and implement the traditional MMO rules that work, but good grief. This game could have been so much more, and it seems like they just make one bad decision after another.

But, they're making money, or so it seems. So I guess technically they're doing something right. I'm gathering it's mostly console players that are funding the game at this point.

Eleusian

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Of course , it will make them $. Same with alliance change at some point.

Leandor

How should we know? Unless Firor & friends make a statement, this is pretty useless speculation, mostly biased by disgruntled forum-goers...

Flameheart

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

A year ago I would have neither thought that a class change token might be useful at all in this game nor that I might use such a token one day.

At that time the PvE NB - my main char is one and has all achievements, motifs and recipes - was still a great PvE class in this game (be it magicka or stamina) and not at the bottom of dps meters and in addition outclassed by the usual DK tank and without stamina support as a healer.

So yes, now I think it might be useful.

Inhuman003

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Okay in the long run you guys realize you waste more money for character slots instead of a class change token for example experience scrolls and character slots I know there's a lot of people that will buy them just to grind a character up fast level when you add that up you realize you'll pay almost the same amount as a class change token.

Bigevilpeter

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

In this game specifically class change won't mean a lot since you almost level the skills lines from scratch and that takes even longer than the 50 levels

idk

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

NMT wrote: »

I honestly think ZOS will add class change tokens if there money to be made....and there is.

Also, I don't understand how someone who wants to buy class change couls have an effect on someone who doesn't....so why not let them make the money.

@NMT

For the most part most players will just level up a new character for the new class. It is ridiculously how fast a new character can be leveled. Probably very little money in offering something that is widely considered bad for any game. Same with alliance change.

F2P games that offer items in the cash shop to make characters more powerful are the only ones that offer class change.

HowlingMoney515

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

I hope they don't bring that in.

idk

No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.

HowlingMoney515 wrote: »

I hope they don't bring that in.

No worries, Zos will not. They know it is not a worthy idea.

Abeille

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Enodoc wrote: »

BloodWolfe wrote: »

To allow a class change and especially to a brand new class that would give someone that class max level on day 1 is just plain stupid and will NEVER happen! Even if they did a 6 month delay before allowing it after a new class is released I still hope never gets implemented!

This is an MMO, make a new char and enjoy the game. If you're too lazy then don't and just keep playing your main but classes changes are a ridiculous idea and will never happen!

Why does everyone keep assuming that a class change would result in a maxed class? A logical class change would give you the new class with no progress, and I haven't yet seen anyone say why that would be a bad idea.

Not to mention the people that are against it constantly ignore the reasons why people want it to begin with.

They ignore that there is stuff that we can't get in the game anymore, like event achievements and limited time motifs that we don't know if are coming back eventually, and that these are not account-wide.

They ignore that it is not a matter of having "a Warden", but to have that specific character be a Warden. Maybe that specific character that has one of these limited-time, character-specific things, that is your only character who has them, and that would lose it maybe forever if rerolled.

They ignore that the 1-50 leveling is not an issue, since it can be done in just a few hours of mindless grind and doesn't make someone a better Warden than they would be if they just made an existing character one and had to level the Warden class skills up anyway.

It is a little frustrating and it gets repetitive after a while.

bloodthirstyvampire

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Remember they said housing will never happen

NMT

Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For the most part most players will just level up a new character for the new class. It is ridiculously how fast a new character can be leveled. Probably very little money in offering something that is widely considered bad for any game. Same with alliance change.

F2P games that offer items in the cash shop to make characters more powerful are the only ones that offer class change.

1st point, if it's that easy to level up a character then what difference does it make if someone buys class change? Fair enough, they might not understand how to play straight away but there are plenty of players who don't already.

2nd, you imply that class change leads to a cash store that sells items to make characters more powerful, that doesn't have to be the case and is at worst fear mongering.

Personally, I wouldn't use the service but u also wouldn't be bothered if someone else did, it wouldn't affect my game play in the slightest.

Garwulf

I would like a once only class change.