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Will ZOS Change Their Mind and Give Class Change?

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  • KerinKor
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    Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.
    Yes they will .. of course NO they shouldn't .. they'll see the large amount of cash to be made and to hell with the unfairness and other reasons why it would be a terrible idea.
  • Vipstaakki
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    Just stop asking for it. They won't give you a class change token. They won't give you flying mounts and they won't give you an auction house.
  • ExcaliburESO
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    Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.
    If zos do that i will erect the spine of gratitude!
  • BloodWolfe
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    FFS stop with the class change requests! This is an MMO, new expansions come out and sometimes offer new classes and have NEVER offered class changes! This is not new to MMO's and is NOT going to change! I hope they NEVER add class changes and everyone constantly asking for one needs to stop asking, it's annoying seeing these topics popping up daily!

    To allow a class change and especially to a brand new class that would give someone that class max level on day 1 is just plain stupid and will NEVER happen! Even if they did a 6 month delay before allowing it after a new class is released I still hope never gets implemented!

    This is an MMO, make a new char and enjoy the game. If you're too lazy then don't and just keep playing your main but classes changes are a ridiculous idea and will never happen!
  • JWKe
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    It takes only a day to max to 50 and CP is shared. Only issue I see with it is earning achievements and retrieving skyshard all over again.
  • ExcaliburESO
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    Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.
    I dont want to roleplay at bleakers again (
  • phairdon
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    Class change is available now.....create a new character.
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  • jedtb16_ESO
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    i hope not....

    want a new class?

    roll another toon....... and quit whining.
  • Enodoc
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    BloodWolfe wrote: »
    To allow a class change and especially to a brand new class that would give someone that class max level on day 1 is just plain stupid and will NEVER happen! Even if they did a 6 month delay before allowing it after a new class is released I still hope never gets implemented!

    This is an MMO, make a new char and enjoy the game. If you're too lazy then don't and just keep playing your main but classes changes are a ridiculous idea and will never happen!
    Why does everyone keep assuming that a class change would result in a maxed class? A logical class change would give you the new class with no progress, and I haven't yet seen anyone say why that would be a bad idea.
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  • Skraticus
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    BloodWolfe wrote: »
    To allow a class change and especially to a brand new class that would give someone that class max level on day 1 is just plain stupid and will NEVER happen! Even if they did a 6 month delay before allowing it after a new class is released I still hope never gets implemented!

    This is an MMO, make a new char and enjoy the game. If you're too lazy then don't and just keep playing your main but classes changes are a ridiculous idea and will never happen!
    Why does everyone keep assuming that a class change would result in a maxed class? A logical class change would give you the new class with no progress, and I haven't yet seen anyone say why that would be a bad idea.

    Because nobody has a real reason as to why it's a bad idea. They wasted all their time leveling multiple toons and think you should too.

    In no way whatsoever can offering class swapping break or ruin the game (more than it already is). I fail to see how switching classes is any different than selecting another toon. Other than the fact you didn't have to repeat the same content like a sucker.
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    Class change tokens are you serious? Thats one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard for an MMO. I'd understand giving people maxed out template characters but not changing an existing character to another class.
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  • idk
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    The number of players requesting this is fairly small. Not the long request OP indicates.

    Moreover, there is little incentive for Zos to add this. If Zos felt this would be good for the game and more importantly their revenue, they would not have started to sell additional character slots. Additionally, it is rare an MMO offers class change and is more likely to sell more character slots.
  • Cadbury
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    I'm more concerned they will add skill training lessons in the CS.

    "Level your weapon and class skill lines in just minutes!
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  • acw37162
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    First off, I think they should.

    Secondly, I think they won't because of money crown store experience potions, mount upgrades, and anything I'm
    Missing out of the crown store you might spend on a new character that you e already spent on a existing character.

    I wish they would though.
  • BaggyGreen
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    I wouldn't like to see something like changing class made to be so easy.

    I don't want to see CP160 Wardens on Day 1. I want it to happen naturally.
  • TheShadowScout
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Will ZOS Change Their Mind and Give Class Change?
    Maybe.
    Maybe not.

    That will be entirely their decision.
    There are good arguments for it, and just as good arguments against it.
    With them adding a new class, and some of the old hands here already having made and levelled a dozend characters... it would make sense.
    Of course, a great many people are opposed to seeing it happen, and more people still have ample character slots left...

    So we just will have to wait and see.
  • kyle.wilson
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    And, I hope the never do. There need to be some limitations and consequences to the choices a gamer makes.
    I think adding the race change was a mistake. Instead of learning to play a class despite limitations, it put more players into the min/max philosophy.
  • Turelus
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    Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.
    TheShadowScout wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Will ZOS Change Their Mind and Give Class Change?
    Maybe.
    Maybe not.

    That will be entirely their decision.
    There are good arguments for it, and just as good arguments against it.
    With them adding a new class, and some of the old hands here already having made and levelled a dozend characters... it would make sense.
    Of course, a great many people are opposed to seeing it happen, and more people still have ample character slots left...

    So we just will have to wait and see.

    Well that's just boring, live a little a make a choice! Red vs Blue, Yes vs No, none of this middle ground! :tongue:
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  • Duiwel
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    And I don't want them to add one
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  • TheShadowScout
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Well that's just boring, live a little a make a choice! Red vs Blue, Yes vs No, none of this middle ground! :tongue:
    ...you -did- check my signature, did you not? it explains this... ;)
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  • theher0not
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    I hope they will, but I doubt it will happen.
  • Enodoc
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    Skraticus wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    BloodWolfe wrote: »
    To allow a class change and especially to a brand new class that would give someone that class max level on day 1 is just plain stupid and will NEVER happen! Even if they did a 6 month delay before allowing it after a new class is released I still hope never gets implemented!

    This is an MMO, make a new char and enjoy the game. If you're too lazy then don't and just keep playing your main but classes changes are a ridiculous idea and will never happen!
    Why does everyone keep assuming that a class change would result in a maxed class? A logical class change would give you the new class with no progress, and I haven't yet seen anyone say why that would be a bad idea.
    Because nobody has a real reason as to why it's a bad idea. They wasted all their time leveling multiple toons and think you should too.

    In no way whatsoever can offering class swapping break or ruin the game (more than it already is). I fail to see how switching classes is any different than selecting another toon. Other than the fact you didn't have to repeat the same content like a sucker.
    @Skraticus We shall attempt to find out :stuck_out_tongue:

    KerinKor wrote: »
    Yes they will .. of course NO they shouldn't .. they'll see the large amount of cash to be made and to hell with the unfairness and other reasons why it would be a terrible idea.
    @KerinKor And those reasons are...?
    GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »
    Class change tokens are you serious? Thats one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard for an MMO. I'd understand giving people maxed out template characters but not changing an existing character to another class.
    @GreenSoup2HoT Why not?
    Duiwel wrote: »
    And I don't want them to add one
    @Duiwel Why not?
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  • Duiwel
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    @Enodoc Well first of all it's SO EASY to get a character to max level, if you want to make a new class / character it would be very easy to simply grind a new one up. In fact many people have / do.

    If you mean because of Morrowind there will be a new class out, why should you be entitled to having the class maxed out upon launch?

    So I will ask you guys why not right back at you, as well as provide reasons why not.


    Reason 1:

    This would be pay to win, because every patch one class is superior to others in terms of DPS, survivability.

    Some patches favour magicka, some stamina, remember when Sorcs were godmode ? 4 sorcs in a dungeon and nothing could touch their shields, or VS Magicka NB bombers, Stam NB's in DB patch, ect. This would make a larger majority of people swap over each patch just to be the best...

    Reason 2:

    WoW had a similar program - instant level up your toon to max level or 10 levels below a new expansion's max, it was a nightmare for PUG groups, It caused havoc because all of a sudden you have max level characters with people having absolutely no idea how to play the class or what skill goes where. You had your exceptions, but they were few and far between...

    Reason 3:

    Do you not like playing the game that you don't want to level up ? I can assure you all if you start a Warden, doing dolmens and Morrowind you will be level 50 for sure. I mean leveling up is so easy now :wink: I logged on a baby templar of mine last night and went from 12-18 in literally 20minutes and I didn't even use pots / scrolls I forgot them in my bank.

    On a final note why should you have unlocked all the class skills on that character if you have never used a single one for that class?

    I can list more reasons but I think I made my point, now I am curious as to why it should be allowed given what I mentioned. Other than the impatience to try the class at max level?
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  • Enodoc
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    Duiwel wrote: »
    If you mean because of Morrowind there will be a new class out, why should you be entitled to having the class maxed out upon launch?

    On a final note why should you have unlocked all the class skills on that character if you have never used a single one for that class?

    I can list more reasons but I think I made my point, now I am curious as to why it should be allowed given what I mentioned. Other than the impatience to try the class at max level?
    @Duiwel Your main argument seems to be related to the class being at max level. Whoever said the class would be maxed out? It certainly wasn't me. (I also think that would be a very bad idea, and would hate to see it happen.)
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Probably not, but I don't really see why not. It's relatively easy to quit your day job and take up something new irl, so I don't see the issue with allowing it in-game too. As long as you start your new job class with an empty skill set.
    Enodoc wrote: »
    The purpose of a class change over a reroll would be to maintain progression through the rest of the content; quests, weapon/armour skills, etc. It should be expected that you would have to start learning the class skills from scratch, but why the rest?
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Why does everyone keep assuming that a class change would result in a maxed class? A logical class change would give you the new class with no progress, and I haven't yet seen anyone say why that would be a bad idea.

    So why should class change be allowed? To enable you to level up three new skill lines from scratch while still being able to use the character you have brought through the rest of the game with you. Just like you can start to learn the bow and resto staff if you've only ever used two-handed and dual-wield so far. (With of course the caveat that, while you retain knowledge of the other weapon skills, you wouldn't have knowledge of your old class skills any more.) Not having to retrain weapon and armour, not having to redo all the quests, not having to redo all the crafting research. All those things need to be redone on a new character, sure, but why should you need a new character to try a new class? Trying out new a new class shouldn't affect everything else you can already do, as they are not related to each other.
    Edited by Enodoc on February 17, 2017 1:32PM
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  • Liley
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    Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.
    Sooner or later they will make class change possible - for a high amount of crowns hopefully.
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  • TheShadowScout
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    So why should class change be allowed? To enable you to level up three new skill lines from scratch while still being able to use the character you have brought through the rest of the game with you...
    Exactly.
    The points about the skills is a valid one, but as has been outlined, a class change should not just pop over the old progression to new skills, it should include a full respec of all class skills, and have you start from the beginning. It will be tenious all by itself, seeing how the people then will have to look to new DLCs and dailies to raise their newly aquired class skills - but that is the price they would have to pay (in addition to a hefty stack of crowns)

    The thing about the class change is not the levelling.
    Its the achievements, riding training, crafting research and whatnot that comes with having a character you played for the last two years...
    Its about not having to start yet another alt when you already done a dozend you carried through the mainstory and cadwells AND all the DLCs too perhaps, knowing every quest by heart now to the point where you feel bored.
    Its about a new class suddenly becoming available which might fit a character concept so much better then the originally chosen one (often in expectations of spellcrafting coming and allowing making it a "nature class" then)

    Its also not PtW, no more then making an alt of a second class would be. Heck, if anyonw wants to shell out, say, 50$ in crowns for a class change every time the FotM changes... I say, let them. I'll be here laughing at 'em while they fill ZOS warchest so they can code more questings for me all the sooner...

    As mentioned, there are good arguments for it.
    And all the arguments against it can be balanced by the details and the cost.
    The only true question is - will the powers that be decide to do it at some point, or not?

    And that, only time can tell.
  • Duiwel
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    @Enodoc I see your point to a certain extent, but I understand your point and I sympathise, I just don't think it's necessary that you have to do all the quests, crafting ect. over on a new character. Unless you desire to do so. You certainly just need a couple of skyshards, main storyline quests, public dungeons for some extra skill points and to have the character at max level to enjoy it to it's full potential unrestricted and I guess that's why I think it's not necessary.

    So I am in no way completely against this idea, my view is more of a : "Really? as if leveling is hard in anyway whatsoever..." I mean as gamers we use to start from scratch come every new game.
      Witcher 1 -> 2 you started from scratch Daggerfall -> Morrowind, you started from scratch Morrowind -> Oblivion you started from scratch Oblivion -> Skyrim you started from scratch Fallout 3 -> Fallout 4 " Skyrim -> the new TES title, will have you starting from scratch

    As gamers it should not be so frowned upon nor be such an alien concept to have to start over. At least in this scenario you retain all your progression, you simply retain it on a single character.

    But don't fret I am also in the same boat as many above me in the understanding that it will come regardless.

    I will agree to disagree as I don't want to appear as anti everything :wink:
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  • Alcast
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    It takes like 4h to level up a toon...
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  • Turelus
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    Yes. ZOS will add class change tokens.
    TheShadowScout wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Well that's just boring, live a little a make a choice! Red vs Blue, Yes vs No, none of this middle ground! :tongue:
    ...you -did- check my signature, did you not? it explains this... ;)
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    @TheShadowScout okay you win. :disappointed:
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  • Wifeaggro13
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    No. ZOS will not add class change tokens.
    Turelus wrote: »
    As per the thread title, with the already long request for it and now with the Warden announcement and the additional flood of requests for a class change token, do you think ZOS will change their stance and allow this?

    This isn't a poll to say if you want them, it's a poll to see if you think ZOS will.

    This is exactly why this game is getting un fun and the community is a constant churn base of people who dont even like MMO's but like single player RPG's. I just wish Matt would show some cajones and make an MMO not a cash shop game.
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