Best armour set for a Breton Sorcerer

josephsmithy

Hi All,

Just reached level 160CP and wondering what would be the best set to go for and/or craft for my breton Sorcerer.

Thanks.

Dabilahro

That would be Julianos for a magicka sorcerer. You'll need the Orsinium DLC and 6 traits researched, or just get someone to craft it for you. 3 pieces of Willpower jewelry can be bought relatively cheaply to go with it, and the final 3 slots can be filled with something like Magnus' until you get a monster set and vMA staff.

Malamar1229

You've got options depending on if you want PvP versus PvE.

On a fresh sorc account I did Seducers (crafted), and Spinners (looted in malabar tor). Then I ran normal pledges and used the keys for a monster shoulder. Solid set up that works in pvp and pve. you wont compete in trials of Vet Arena with it, but you're fresh 160 so dont worry about that now. Make sure you use a gold weapon though (seducers on both bars).

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

jakeedmundson

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

X3ina

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

Spellweave uptime is about 58-65% single target, in multi target fights its higher that is true.
Don't think that eather is a valid option, moondancer is the way to go imo (for second set)

For pvp i highly advice you to wear Amber plasm set ... but its pain to grind it xD

jakeedmundson

X3ina wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

Spellweave uptime is about 58-65% single target, in multi target fights its higher that is true.
Don't think that eather is a valid option, moondancer is the way to go imo (for second set)

For pvp i highly advice you to wear Amber plasm set ... but its pain to grind it xD

I just found this... Not sure how solid this test was but it kind of answered what i was wondering.



https://i.gyazo.com/99500e08384d8a0040cc82cc983ee48f.png

Can hardly read that image.... posted link too

Just looking at the julianos, tbs, bsw test differences.... julianos is better than tbs by about 1k and bsw is better than julianos by about 1800 dps... So really... sounds like its up to the player if they wanna farm for bsw. 2k dps when you're talking 40k + doesn't make or break the deal for me

AoDD33pfri3d

Use juli set for 5 pieces trait is mundas stone use the thief stone and enchant your armor with magic or health. With mine I went with magic cause my hp is at 12k so on a critical hit I do about 20k dps. The staff I am using is Juli with flame and the trait I used was to increase the enchantment.

Croblasta

Any suggested replacement if I don't have Trials Gear/vMA Staff?

Any 4 piece set?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Croblasta wrote: »

Any suggested replacement if I don't have Trials Gear/vMA Staff?

Any 4 piece set?

@Croblasta

The only real trials gear you should be running are Jewelry and weapons. If you dont have them, then willpower is the second best option for jewelry. Your staff will simply be a dead spot. Just make sure it is gold and sharp.

A lot of people dont have this stuff so dont feel to bad or like you cant play the game. It took me a year to get my sharp VMA staff and I am still working on the perfect moondancer staff and have been clearing VMOL 3-5 times a week for months and months. Again just make sure it is Gold and SHARP. Sharp is the most OP thing in the game. You are much better off running a Sharp staff with Julianos, then any other staff with BSW.

GilGalad

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

The cut-off is basically at 50%. Even if you just use blockade of fire you will get an uptime above 50%, so it is definately BIS.

What you say about TBS outperforming Julianos in a raid environment is not true anymore, since the warhorn change with the Homestead patch. The major force buff used to be multiplicative with the other crit dmg multipliers, therefore increasing the effect of the shadow mundus by 30%, but is additive now. So it is even the other way around: Due to higher crit (which is still multiplicative with major force) Julianos is even further ahead in a trial environment with high major force uptime.

Back on topic:
3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 3 Magnus is a solid start to farm BSW in normal COA I.
Next step could be 5 BSW (jewels, 2 armor), 5 Julianos (4 armor, 2 destruction staffs) and one monster helm with magicka, spell dmg or spell crit. If you want purple BSW jewels you have to run vet COA I, there you will also get Infernal Guardian helmets, that give magicka as 1 piece. This will already pe pretty solid gear good enough to finish any content in the game.

When you start to get some more CP you can do vet crypt of hears I for the Ilambris helm and pledges for the shoulders. Since the RNG is a pain in this game it can take easily 100+ keys to get a divines, so you have to be patient... ^^

The main problem many people underestimate is the power of the champion points. Even if you had BIS gear you won't be able to reach any decent DPS number until you hit like 500+ CP. Grinding CP will increase your dmg much more than upgrading from Julianos to BSW or adding MSA weapons.

kvlou79

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Croblasta wrote: »

Any suggested replacement if I don't have Trials Gear/vMA Staff?

Any 4 piece set?

@Croblasta

The only real trials gear you should be running are Jewelry and weapons. If you dont have them, then willpower is the second best option for jewelry. Your staff will simply be a dead spot. Just make sure it is gold and sharp.

A lot of people dont have this stuff so dont feel to bad or like you cant play the game. It took me a year to get my sharp VMA staff and I am still working on the perfect moondancer staff and have been clearing VMOL 3-5 times a week for months and months. Again just make sure it is Gold and SHARP. Sharp is the most OP thing in the game. You are much better off running a Sharp staff with Julianos, then any other staff with BSW.

Stoked. I just crafted purple Julianos this morning, haven't got to try it out yet. Was gonna wear spinners with it. Would that be good for soloing? Also, is there a cap to penetration or a number to shoot for?

jakeedmundson

GilGalad wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

The cut-off is basically at 50%. Even if you just use blockade of fire you will get an uptime above 50%, so it is definately BIS.

What you say about TBS outperforming Julianos in a raid environment is not true anymore, since the warhorn change with the Homestead patch. The major force buff used to be multiplicative with the other crit dmg multipliers, therefore increasing the effect of the shadow mundus by 30%, but is additive now. So it is even the other way around: Due to higher crit (which is still multiplicative with major force) Julianos is even further ahead in a trial environment with high major force uptime.

Back on topic:
3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 3 Magnus is a solid start to farm BSW in normal COA I.
Next step could be 5 BSW (jewels, 2 armor), 5 Julianos (4 armor, 2 destruction staffs) and one monster helm with magicka, spell dmg or spell crit. If you want purple BSW jewels you have to run vet COA I, there you will also get Infernal Guardian helmets, that give magicka as 1 piece. This will already pe pretty solid gear good enough to finish any content in the game.

When you start to get some more CP you can do vet crypt of hears I for the Ilambris helm and pledges for the shoulders. Since the RNG is a pain in this game it can take easily 100+ keys to get a divines, so you have to be patient... ^^

The main problem many people underestimate is the power of the champion points. Even if you had BIS gear you won't be able to reach any decent DPS number until you hit like 500+ CP. Grinding CP will increase your dmg much more than upgrading from Julianos to BSW or adding MSA weapons.

Thank you both for the off topic reply...
I guess i'll store away my TBS gear and throw on julianos.
I've actually been favoring a heavy attack build lately anyway... and BSW won't work for lightning. So i can leisurely farm for it

EDIT: what about that lightning set from darkshade? Netch's touch... Never heard anyone mention it with a build (maybe because it sucks) but it SEEMS like it would be great for a lightning build.

GilGalad

jakeedmundson wrote: »

GilGalad wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

The cut-off is basically at 50%. Even if you just use blockade of fire you will get an uptime above 50%, so it is definately BIS.

What you say about TBS outperforming Julianos in a raid environment is not true anymore, since the warhorn change with the Homestead patch. The major force buff used to be multiplicative with the other crit dmg multipliers, therefore increasing the effect of the shadow mundus by 30%, but is additive now. So it is even the other way around: Due to higher crit (which is still multiplicative with major force) Julianos is even further ahead in a trial environment with high major force uptime.

Back on topic:
3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 3 Magnus is a solid start to farm BSW in normal COA I.
Next step could be 5 BSW (jewels, 2 armor), 5 Julianos (4 armor, 2 destruction staffs) and one monster helm with magicka, spell dmg or spell crit. If you want purple BSW jewels you have to run vet COA I, there you will also get Infernal Guardian helmets, that give magicka as 1 piece. This will already pe pretty solid gear good enough to finish any content in the game.

When you start to get some more CP you can do vet crypt of hears I for the Ilambris helm and pledges for the shoulders. Since the RNG is a pain in this game it can take easily 100+ keys to get a divines, so you have to be patient... ^^

The main problem many people underestimate is the power of the champion points. Even if you had BIS gear you won't be able to reach any decent DPS number until you hit like 500+ CP. Grinding CP will increase your dmg much more than upgrading from Julianos to BSW or adding MSA weapons.

Thank you both for the off topic reply...
I guess i'll store away my TBS gear and throw on julianos.
I've actually been favoring a heavy attack build lately anyway... and BSW won't work for lightning. So i can leisurely farm for it

EDIT: what about that lightning set from darkshade? Netch's touch... Never heard anyone mention it with a build (maybe because it sucks) but it SEEMS like it would be great for a lightning build.

The problem with all these add x spell dmg sets to a specific dmg type is that they don't get increased by major and minor sorcery as well as other spell dmg buffs. So if you take the 300 spell dmg from Julianos and add some buffs (major and minor sorcery, expert mage) you will most likely end up with approx the same spell dmg:
300*(1+0.20+0.05+3*0.02) = 393
If you now consider that Julianos has a dmg bonus more compared to the health bonus you will see that it is superior even if you only use lightning dmg.

jakeedmundson

GilGalad wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

GilGalad wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

The cut-off is basically at 50%. Even if you just use blockade of fire you will get an uptime above 50%, so it is definately BIS.

What you say about TBS outperforming Julianos in a raid environment is not true anymore, since the warhorn change with the Homestead patch. The major force buff used to be multiplicative with the other crit dmg multipliers, therefore increasing the effect of the shadow mundus by 30%, but is additive now. So it is even the other way around: Due to higher crit (which is still multiplicative with major force) Julianos is even further ahead in a trial environment with high major force uptime.

Back on topic:
3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 3 Magnus is a solid start to farm BSW in normal COA I.
Next step could be 5 BSW (jewels, 2 armor), 5 Julianos (4 armor, 2 destruction staffs) and one monster helm with magicka, spell dmg or spell crit. If you want purple BSW jewels you have to run vet COA I, there you will also get Infernal Guardian helmets, that give magicka as 1 piece. This will already pe pretty solid gear good enough to finish any content in the game.

When you start to get some more CP you can do vet crypt of hears I for the Ilambris helm and pledges for the shoulders. Since the RNG is a pain in this game it can take easily 100+ keys to get a divines, so you have to be patient... ^^

The main problem many people underestimate is the power of the champion points. Even if you had BIS gear you won't be able to reach any decent DPS number until you hit like 500+ CP. Grinding CP will increase your dmg much more than upgrading from Julianos to BSW or adding MSA weapons.

Thank you both for the off topic reply...
I guess i'll store away my TBS gear and throw on julianos.
I've actually been favoring a heavy attack build lately anyway... and BSW won't work for lightning. So i can leisurely farm for it

EDIT: what about that lightning set from darkshade? Netch's touch... Never heard anyone mention it with a build (maybe because it sucks) but it SEEMS like it would be great for a lightning build.

The problem with all these add x spell dmg sets to a specific dmg type is that they don't get increased by major and minor sorcery as well as other spell dmg buffs. So if you take the 300 spell dmg from Julianos and add some buffs (major and minor sorcery, expert mage) you will most likely end up with approx the same spell dmg:
300*(1+0.20+0.05+3*0.02) = 393
If you now consider that Julianos has a dmg bonus more compared to the health bonus you will see that it is superior even if you only use lightning dmg.

That's strange that it doesn't add with those buffs
Well, julianos it is then...not that it's a bad set.

I'll still try to find netchs touch just to do my own testing. It does add more spell damage but it also lacks the 6% crit chance julianos gives. The extra health would be nice for vma but i'm sure i could do without it.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

GilGalad wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

The cut-off is basically at 50%. Even if you just use blockade of fire you will get an uptime above 50%, so it is definately BIS.

What you say about TBS outperforming Julianos in a raid environment is not true anymore, since the warhorn change with the Homestead patch. The major force buff used to be multiplicative with the other crit dmg multipliers, therefore increasing the effect of the shadow mundus by 30%, but is additive now. So it is even the other way around: Due to higher crit (which is still multiplicative with major force) Julianos is even further ahead in a trial environment with high major force uptime.

Back on topic:
3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 3 Magnus is a solid start to farm BSW in normal COA I.
Next step could be 5 BSW (jewels, 2 armor), 5 Julianos (4 armor, 2 destruction staffs) and one monster helm with magicka, spell dmg or spell crit. If you want purple BSW jewels you have to run vet COA I, there you will also get Infernal Guardian helmets, that give magicka as 1 piece. This will already pe pretty solid gear good enough to finish any content in the game.

When you start to get some more CP you can do vet crypt of hears I for the Ilambris helm and pledges for the shoulders. Since the RNG is a pain in this game it can take easily 100+ keys to get a divines, so you have to be patient... ^^

The main problem many people underestimate is the power of the champion points. Even if you had BIS gear you won't be able to reach any decent DPS number until you hit like 500+ CP. Grinding CP will increase your dmg much more than upgrading from Julianos to BSW or adding MSA weapons.

@GilGalad
Good to know about TBS. I was worried that would be the case, but havent had a chance to test. I love how they say they didnt change Warhorn when they changed the math. That is only true in a vacuum with nothing else effecting crit strike damage, so basically, never.

I havent run TBS in a while, so havent seen the impact. I was for a while when pushing VMOL HM for the extra health, but switched to BSW as the DPS was more necessary.

Also, I have 5 full sets of gold TBS. Haha. 3 magic and 2 stam. I am assuming the same logic holds true now with hundings vs TBS.

One more thing to consider when building.

If you dont have the staffs (VMA and moondancer/Aether in sharp), you can just craft them in julianos. Thats the easy way to get the sharp trait. Then when you can just run 4 Aether/moondancer (three jewelry and one armor). That way you have 5 Julianos, 4 Aether/Moondancer and 2 Llambris at all times.

GilGalad

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

GilGalad wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Your best PVE 5 piece damage set on a sorc is Burning Spell Weave from City of Ash. The best easy to craft substitute is Julianos.

The best jewelry is Moondancer or Aether which drops in trails, and the best substitute to buy is Willpower (you want it with Arcane).

The best 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) is Llambris (undaunted keys and COH 1).

The best weapons are VMA and Moondancer/Aether. No matter what you do, make sure your weapons (typically 2 staffs lightning/Inferno) are SHARP. It will be a while before you get those.

If starting from scratch, I would craft a 5 piece of julianos (Chest, legs, belt, gloves, shoes) in light Divines. I would then buy 3 willpower jewelry in arcane. And finally I would craft a head (heavy divines) and Shoulder (medium divines) and 2 staffs in Seducer SHARP. This is a nice place holder, and a little magic regen wont hurt when learning.

Then you can work to upgrade. Once you get your monster set, you can drop the head and shoulders. Once you get your Aether jewerly, ditch the willpower. When you get your BSW, ditch the julianos, etc. The hardest grind by far is the weapons, but non-set weapons in sharp are better then set weapons in another trait. 5 BSW, 3-4 Aether/Moondancer, 2 LLambris is pretty meta on a sorc. I suggest building this way to make the upgrading part less painful.

I would make everything in purple to start with, gold if you want to on the weapons.

I'm not saying this isn't true at all... but i'm wonder how BSW outperforms julianos.

Sorcs only proc it when doing flame damage 20% of the time. Does it proc off dots too? so... force pulse, weave attacks, WoE, destro ult... would all have a chance to proc it? Even then i feel like that 20% would have a hard time getting over the 300 SP that julianos gives even with the extra damage of WoE on burning enemies.

Is there some test calculation somewhere that shows how this is better than julianos or tbs?

@jakeedmundson

The driving force of the uptime in pretty much all builds is elemental blockade. Basically every meta Magic DPS build has 2 things in common: BSW and Blockade. It is generally ticking on multiple things at once.

I dont remember the exact cutoff where BSW starts to out perform spell weave, but I think its in the low 50's. 60%+ uptime on burning spell weave is very doable on a sorc.

Now, if you are brand new to DPS and your rotation is less than stellar, Julianos is probably better. If you are good with blockade, BSW is BIS. Also remember that julianos got an effective nerf this patch, as did everything based on crit. If you just look at the 2-4 bonus, BSW is better. A spell damage buff is generally better than a crit buff. Otherwise 2-4 is the same.


Edit: That data is from Asayre who is probably the best theory crafter from a numbers standpoint in the game. He built an amazing simulator and does math on a whole other level. That being said, I think these are in a vacuum. Julianos has always been better than TBS when solo. In a raid environment (warhorns going off every 15 seconds), TBS pulls ahead.

All of these sets are splitting hairs to some degree. There are sorcs that would kick my butt in julianos no matter what I am wearing. That said, BSW give more DPS so that's what I run. haha

The cut-off is basically at 50%. Even if you just use blockade of fire you will get an uptime above 50%, so it is definately BIS.

What you say about TBS outperforming Julianos in a raid environment is not true anymore, since the warhorn change with the Homestead patch. The major force buff used to be multiplicative with the other crit dmg multipliers, therefore increasing the effect of the shadow mundus by 30%, but is additive now. So it is even the other way around: Due to higher crit (which is still multiplicative with major force) Julianos is even further ahead in a trial environment with high major force uptime.

Back on topic:
3 Willpower + 5 Julianos + 3 Magnus is a solid start to farm BSW in normal COA I.
Next step could be 5 BSW (jewels, 2 armor), 5 Julianos (4 armor, 2 destruction staffs) and one monster helm with magicka, spell dmg or spell crit. If you want purple BSW jewels you have to run vet COA I, there you will also get Infernal Guardian helmets, that give magicka as 1 piece. This will already pe pretty solid gear good enough to finish any content in the game.

When you start to get some more CP you can do vet crypt of hears I for the Ilambris helm and pledges for the shoulders. Since the RNG is a pain in this game it can take easily 100+ keys to get a divines, so you have to be patient... ^^

The main problem many people underestimate is the power of the champion points. Even if you had BIS gear you won't be able to reach any decent DPS number until you hit like 500+ CP. Grinding CP will increase your dmg much more than upgrading from Julianos to BSW or adding MSA weapons.

@GilGalad
Good to know about TBS. I was worried that would be the case, but havent had a chance to test. I love how they say they didnt change Warhorn when they changed the math. That is only true in a vacuum with nothing else effecting crit strike damage, so basically, never.

I havent run TBS in a while, so havent seen the impact. I was for a while when pushing VMOL HM for the extra health, but switched to BSW as the DPS was more necessary.

Also, I have 5 full sets of gold TBS. Haha. 3 magic and 2 stam. I am assuming the same logic holds true now with hundings vs TBS.

One more thing to consider when building.

If you dont have the staffs (VMA and moondancer/Aether in sharp), you can just craft them in julianos. Thats the easy way to get the sharp trait. Then when you can just run 4 Aether/moondancer (three jewelry and one armor). That way you have 5 Julianos, 4 Aether/Moondancer and 2 Llambris at all times.

Stamina is a bit different if you run MSA weapons. The MSA dual wield enchant basically supresses all your weapon dmg and max stamina, therefore TBS should still be better than Hundigs. But since Nightmother is better than both and supporting your group you should go for that. Twice fanged snake could be ok if you dont have much group support, meaning that you are still below the penetration cap.